MSI GS43VR Phantom Pro's Owner's Lounge

Hello everyone, just wanted to get some feedback from some of you that have the fall creators update, Microsoft just auto installed it for me (I have the skylake version btw) and the micro stutter seems to be back again, in particular if i press the right mouse click, so i have reverted to the original creators update back in April. I guess the saying can never be true, "don't fix what ain't broke". I was just wondering though if most of you experience this as well. Also, is there a way to prevent the Fall Creators Update from auto installing other than setting my connection as metered?

Thanks in advance

 

It could be the Elan drivers again. I had the same issues.
Try this method, worked for me.

 

Thanks, tried it but still stuttering There definitely something different with the original creator's update

 

Have you tried going to the latest version of creators and updating all drivers?

 

Yup, done that, can't explain what's up but April 2017 Creators Update build seems much snappier for me

 

Hi,
I just bought a GS43VR 6RE and so far am really happy with it.
My CPU is running smoothly at -0.16V but I have problems getting the GPU to undervolt using AB´s curve editor.
Overclocking the GPU without raising the voltage works but I actually wouldn´t mind to reduce the temperature of the gpu a bit if possible.
The system is a fresh install of the newest version of windows 10 without any bloatware installed.
The curve editor changes have no effect whatsoever even thoo the "normal" oc works and the core voltage is correctly displayed.
Is there some magic trick to getting the curve editor settings to work ?

Thanks a whole lot

Nana

 

Little update for you guys.

After almost a year of owning this thing, I've managed to reach 7 hours of battery life on a single charge!
Granted, this is JUST word processing with minimal google searching.
Besides the undervolt of the cpu and iGPUI also did the following:

• Set bluetooth OFF (I never use it anyway)
• Set wifi to "Moderate" power savings
• Set brightness to 1 or 2
• Set background of window and wallpaper to BLACK
• Manually set processor to 25% max usage in Power Options

Go ahead and try the above stuff. You may be surprised. I'm super happy with this purchase a year later.

 

So I'm the proud owner of a new GS43VR 7RE!

I have some questions, would be cool to get some feedback...

1. The fan, or something, seems to make a sound like it's scraping when it spins down on shutdown, only for a second or tow. It's a little strange, is this normal or does anyone else experience this..?

2. I want to use this laptop in the office, but while I'm in Linux (elementary OS) the fan noise is a little disturbing, since I'm only using terminal and a text editor, is it possible to have the laptop go into a low power state, maybe even shut 2 cores off or reduce the temps somehow that I can keep the turbines at bay..? I've tried already setting the intel_pstate to 'powersave' mode which seems to help a little...

3. The recovery partitions on the laptop are quite large, there's 3 of them by default. Can these be deleted or replaced with a bone-stock Windows 10 recovery..? The current one takes forever, it took about 4 hours to recover the laptop after getting it the other day... Or maybe it's possible to make a backup of these partitions..?

4. I get a strange micro-stutter when opening programs or accessing context menus, it's like it pauses for a second and then resumes. Is anyone else getting this, I did see it mentioned in this thread but I'm not sure if it's what's being discussed...

5. Is the screen factory calibrated or only software level, can I uninstall the True Color app thingy..? Also the touch-pad drivers, should I remove them for any benefit..?

Finally, could someone compile a must-do list of things after getting this laptop, any go-to tweaks or updates that should be carried out..?

Cheers peeps!

 

Congrats on your purchase!
1. The fan's housing is probably too tight causing fan blades to grind against it. Try loosening the screws a little bit to see if it helps with the issue.
2. Because of issue #1, the faster the fan spins, the noisier it gets.
3. There are recovery images integrated inside of that partition. What you want to do is create the factory images as ISO and save them elsewhere, or just burn them onto DVD discs. Once you've done this, you can go ahead and merge it into the primary partition.
4. Check processes and verify if you may have something that tries to grab resources.
5. Some users may have profile for you to use. Let's wait and see if someone else can provide you with that.

 

Also I've done quite a bit of overclocking on my desktop, but never on a laptop. Do the same principles apply. How are you guys undervolting the CPU, through the BIOS or elsewhere..?

 

Use Throttlestop to undervolt the CPU. YMMV, but a good starting point may be -100mV for CPU, Cache, and iGPU.
For overclocking the GPU, I actually set mine to a desktop default speeds and cap my framerate at 60FPS. Temps remain in the high 70s under full load for both the CPU and GPU. I see no reason to raise GPU clock speeds higher than desktop defaults.

 

How do you cap the fps in the games, do you use the default Nvidia control panel or something else like EVGA Precision. Also something I've noticed which is a little strange, the GPU (when inactive) doesn't read properly in Precision X or Nvidia Inspector - it's like it goes into some strange loop where the temp is displayed for a second and then disappears. I guess this is because of the iGPU and 1060 switching..?

Thanks for the reply

 

I suggest using Throttlestop to undervolt, MSI Afterburner to overclock, and Rivatuner (which comes with Afterburner) to cap FPS. I recommend capping at 59fps, as that should lower input lag (compared to a 60fps cap) when Vysnc is on. If you overclock, be sure to uninstall the MSI Dragon Gaming Center, as it auto-overclocks and conflicts with manual overclocks. You can download MSI SilentOption to control fan speeds.

Also uninstall any bloatware--especially Norton, but also Magix, etc.

Here's a guide on undervolting with Throttlestop, in case it helps: https://www.ultrabookreview.com/10167-laptop-undervolting-overcloking/

 

So after using the laptop for some days, I've come to realise that without a cooling pad, this thing gets... very hot. You can literally feel the heat radiating out from underneath the keyboard when gaming. Something that makes me uneasy, is that I've used the laptop to game over at a friends place, for sure I can't create my own cooling setup, so I had to just prop the laptop up a little with a book and let it dissipate the heat normally. I keep thinking this thing is going to damage itself, at-least it gets hot enough that it severely throttles. Is this normal for this laptop.

I mean, I suppose there's not much in the way of cooling for such a slim laptop... Just wondering if this is expected..?

 

i was really considering buying this laptop. i like the keyboard and the size of it. my problem is the trackpad. i need to have the w10 gestures for multitasking. has anyone confirmed getting this working?

i need to have desktop switching gestures on my laptop.

 

It comes with Elantech touchpad which should provide multi-touch capability.

 

Curious if anyone has tried removing the thermal paste and applying liquid metal paste instead? Are the heatsinks in this laptop solely made out of copper? If anyone has done it, what kind of reduction of CPU and GPU temperature did you experience? I'm still loving this laptop, but get concerned seeing the CPU consistently floating above 80'C when doing video editing (even with it propped up on blocks for maximum airflow).

 

Many sellers and forum members had done this mod and received several degrees of Celsius in reduction. However, undervolting helps more in reducing temperature and if combined with efficient thermal compound one would get the best cooling result.

 

Hey everyone.

Now on my second MSI Phantom Pro 069, and it has been nothing but a nightmare from the start.

The first model worked beautifully for about 3 hours, and the whole thing went to ****. Microstutters, freezes, crashes, failure to load the OS, the works. You name the problem, it happened. I returned it to MicroCenter a mere 4 days after purchase. It was a disaster, and I recently received my replacement.

Already, the nightmare has begun anew. Before I even booted Windows, I installed a Samsung 860 EVO 1TB to replace the ****-tier 7200 drive that came with the laptop. Nothing fancy, just a simple pull, remount and plug back in, absolutely nothing I haven't done before. I boot the computer for the first time, and lo and behold, would you look at that, the computer doesn't recognize the SSD. Not in explorer, not in the BIOS, nowhere. Just like the previous version.

Is Samsung's new SSD not compatible with this computer? Has MSI not updated the drivers necessary to accommodate it? I wanted to do a clean install with the OS placed onto the EVO, but I can't even get past the first stage.

Super frustrating, and if the issues continue, I'll be turning this one in too and be switching to another laptop. The hassle factor has been through the roof for this thing.

X

 

Did you check in the BIOS to see if the SSD can be seen by it? If yes, then you should be able to see it in the disk management as well.

 

I figured out that I was right-clicking to route the Drive location in the wrong place. It is running in D.

I am now onto the stuttering problem, as it has reared its ugly head once again.

This computer is a Freezy McFreezerson. Its father was Mr. Freeze.

More like "MicroStutterInternational", amirite.

K enough, but the point still stands. Open a program? 2 second freeze. Want to browse the internet? One second freeze. Freeze, freeze, freeze. I've clean installed the OS to remove the crap that MSI forces onto the machine, updated the BIOS and reinstalled all drivers. No change. If the trajectory for this machine is the same as the first, it'll be running the fans like mid-range machines ran Crysis back in 2007, with CPU spikes up to 100% for no reason at all.

Any help would be appreciated. I know there's another thread dedicated to this problem, and I'm over there too. I've had it up to here with this thing.

I will be going through the device manager and manually updating all the drivers for these devices. After that, I'm going to take the "Lower-Tier brand name PCIe drive is to blame" investigative route, wipe the drive altogether and installing the OS on my 860 EVO to see if that helps.

Sigh.

 

Looking like its all Pascal Dual GPU laptops that suffer this. Why I spent 1500 dollars on a stuttering machine is beyond me. There's an excellent thread on both Microsoft.com and Intel confirming this.

I will ponder waiting for a promised driver update from these companies (LOL) for a week or two, but I'm probably returning it and getting my money back.

My terrible 350-dollar-in-2013 Toshiba i3 laptop may be slow as all hell, but one thing it doesn't do is stutter all the damn time.

What an incredible waste of money.

 

Instead of nagging and being a crybaby, read the previous pages because many solutions have been posted over and over again. Some work and some don't, depending on the programs installed.

The stuttering has NOTHING to do with the laptop or its price but rather the Nvidia Optimus technology being imperfect in Windows 10. This problem is present in ALL non G-Sync laptops with Windows 10 installed (no issues in windows 7).

The best solution I've found after using my MSI GE63VR for 7 months is by opening the Nvidia Control Panel and leaving the "Adjust Image Settings with Preview" opened. This will keep the Nvodia GPU always on (in idle mode), it'll work perfectly in all cases and you'll never see those microstutters again, but you'd rather have the stutters when on battery, since this method will literally divide your battery life by 2 or more.

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OK, let's try and avoid the name-calling. It doesn't really work well with pseudo-intellectualism and condescension.

If I haven't been clear enough, I've tried most to all of the fixes listed on the lounge (TrayPw3r, Intel drivers, replacing the wireless card, etc.) and most of them are only temporary fixes. The stuttering still occasionally occurs with the Nvidia GPU activated. It's a very temperamental solution.

Considering your sig, I'm assuming that you have quite the bent for MSI and its products. Sorry if I offended you and your loyalty to a multi-million dollar corporation. Sheesh. The first PC I received was a lemon, and this is doing no better in the performance department. TrayPw3r drains the battery, and I still have tons of hitching in games. Day-to-day tasks should be rudimentary for such a powerful machine, and MSI has a hand in that. They are fully aware of the performance issues and have no problem with selling us these machines for an insane amount of money. Opening the Nvidia Control Panel tray (essentially the same as TrayPw3r) is not a solution. Period. Apparently, I'm a "crybaby" for expecting a 1700 dollar PC to work as advertised, and perform to the standard of the components inside.

If there's any news on the drivers from Windows, that would be nice. But it looks like I'll be returning this flawed piece of machinery.

 

You're free to switch to Razer, AW or Gigabyte if you don't like what you see. But I can almost guarantee you you'll find the same issues (if not worse) no matter which laptop you go with. It just merely depends on your luck and the gravity of the errors. Those seen in the MSI GS43VR are not even that critical compared to the MOSFET issue seen in the Blade or the PCH overheating in the AW13 for instance.

I've never owned an MSI product before, your argument about ine being too loyal and devoted according to a single sig is way too flawed, I'm not even near offended. I can't speak for the MSI community but my laptop works flawlessly, which I may say it's both luck and just myself doing proper researches and solving issues instead of nagging about a broken company making broken laptops.

P.S: Jokes and calling names aside, TrayPw3r solves 99.99% of the miscrostutters in my laptop and it's also been tested in the MSI Reddit sub by many GS63VR users and it has worked for them as well. I can only assume your laptop has a broken driver causing latency issues. You'll probably need to find that out using Latencymon (Although I doubt it'll show the culprit since the stutters are rarely a memory issue). If nothing works, try rolling your drivers back and use the ones which came with the laptop (those are usually tested and validated by MSI, I use a few of them right now and they've been flawless since September), and test O&O ShutUp10 (I apply all settings but you can start with the recommended ones. Windows 10 is the main cause of the stutters and disabling some services can get rid of the stutters).

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The fact that research on specific pages of an obscure Notebook forum is required for a 1700 dollar machine to run properly is, within itself, startlingly silly. My only point, and an irrefutable one. End of discussion.

 

Go on, cry me a river.

 

That's what I thought.

You, along with many others who inhabit the internet, are a child. What a shock.

Don't bother replying. I haven't turned email notifications off.

 

Says who? The guy coming to the "obscure notebook forum" pleading for help.

 

Gentlemen, let's please keep the discussion focused on the GS43VR, and not each other, before the mods come and drop a hammer on this thread.

@XAGMNINETY - have you tried the solutions in this thread? http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-or-mouse-pointer-freezes-try-this.798873/

 

Anyone install the latest bios with the spectre and meltdown patches? It came out Feb 23.

 

It's fine to update to it but if you encounter any issues then please let us know here.

 

Seems okay so far...

 

I removed the factory paste & applied Kryonaut around fall of 2017... as I too had the issue of CPU temps over 80 (which even on full load didn't sit well with me).

I also use risers in the back for safe measure (just 2 coiled up velcro straps lol)... my temps decreased to low 70's at most while gaming (but pretty consistently staying in the 60's range which is far more ideal).

however keep in mind, I also reverted back to windows 7 pro (instead of 10 home that the laptop shipped with) which helped temps slightly but at the cost of a little less frames during game play (mainly I did the win7 change because of early performance issues myself & others were experiencing). also Early on I did mess with processor power management settings & changed the default max from 100 to 95% & it helped knock a few degrees Celsius off CPU temps as well so that might be something you want to try too

all in all the changes I've made have now allow me to game without hiccups (temps or performance)... I mainly play steam & uplay games & am able to get adequate performance (capping at 60 fps regularly & maintaining healthy temps)

the only knock after a year & a half of gs43vr ownership is that the 14" screen is pretty small & my eyes arent as good with smaller detail as they used to be so in hindsight I probably should've gotten the 15" version (I also use a separate mechanical gaming keyboard cause the integrated one on the laptop is trash, but also cause the laptop used to get so hot that it would become uncomfortable gaming longer stretches with my hand resting on the keyboard)

 

Nicely done sir.

 

Thanks for sharing! Did you apply the Kryonaut to both the CPU and GPU? Is the process kind of scary / did you find it easy to do? I heard it's kind of risky as it could lead to electrical shorts somewhat easily.

 

yes, I applied it to both & its a pretty easy process... remove the bottom cover/panel & its like 4 or 6 small screws that hold the heatsink/pipes on, just slowly wiggle/rotate & pry up & the heatsink will remove as a larger unit (nothing else needs to be unplugged)

I used a microfiber with some remover/compound to clean the old stuff off.

 

Ah sorry - I confused that for their conductonaut...the liquid metal one, which is the risky one. I'm going to apply kryonaut soon and see how it goes. Thanks!

 

No problem... in the past I've used Arctic 5 paste for builds, but was in the market for more & couldn't pass up trying Kryonaut this time around after digging. its some of the priciest thermal paste out there but so far its been rock solid on the MSI... mx4 is also pretty highly touted as well. I think at this point any reputable aftermarket paste is better then the factory stuff that often gets used

 

Hey peeps,
Does anyone know the exact model number of the SABRE Dac in our notebook? I can’t seem to find a definitive answer. Some say 9016k, others 9018m.

Thanks.
-JRey

 

GS43VR Phantom Pro has a Realtek chip
Last time we've checked, it has to be systems that came with CM236 & CM238 chipset have Sabre DAC chip. But please allow us to verify with MSI on this again, thank you.

 

Cool. Thanks.
The MSI description page for the 7th gen systems says a SABRE DAC is part of the system and Nahimic shows “HiFi Sabre” something when headphones are plugged in.

 

Any update from MSI?
Here’s the link of the product page showing it’s “HiFi Certified” and features an ESS Sabre DAC. https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GS43VR-7RE-Phantom-Pro.html

 

They haven't gotten back to us yet, we will reach out to them again.

 

For anyone curious, I replaced the stock paste with Kryonaut (the non conductive kind)...under max load the GPU temp would hit about 80'C / CPU 88'C. No change, really. Ah well, was worth a shot.

 

Did you undervolt the CPU?

 

Hello guys, new msi gs43vr 7re user here,
Great laptop I must say, but I'm also confused at the sound output of my unit.... Sounds even lower than my phone.
Did I receive a faulty unit or is there a special driver or program to improve the sound output?

Please asist

 

Yeah your next step should be to play with the CPU settings (80 is fine for the GPU at load, but ideally you want the CPU below that in temps)... if you dont feel comfortable messing with voltages in the bios you can do a 'poor mans version' of CPU tweaking through 'power saver' plan/settings once windows launches...

A quick run down on how to do that is... in the power options menu, go to the advanced settings & expand the processor power management tree. Then expand the 'maximum processor state' tree (plugged & battery settings will likely be maxed @ 100%). Change those values anywhere between 92-97% & find a happy balance of temps & performance... you shouldn't need to go lower then 90% or you'll likely see a noticeable drop in peak performance. I think I have mine set to 93 or 94% & it makes a huge difference in temps & a negligible difference in overall performance when gaming.

let us know how that works for you

 

Hello, anyone please

 

What did you use to play your audio? Can you post a picture of your device manager showing the audio device?