***The MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 970M Owner's Lounge***

I posted a review on the 970M 3k version here, if anyone's interested: MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 3K review - Nvidia GTX 970M & 870M versions

If anyone has any questions or suggestions of things to add, please let me know.

 

Not sure where are you getting this from?

I have found only one thorough review of Acer Aspire V15 Nitro and there temperatures are not that great, actually worse than MSI GS60 with GTX 860M (which was BTW Kepler version, so hotter than Maxwell version used in Acer):

Acer Aspire V15 Nitro (GTX 860M Maxwell)

- max outside chassis temperature: 60.5 C
- max keyboard temperature: 47.3 C
- max CPU temperature: 98 C
- max GPU temperature: 84 C

Acer Aspire V15 Nitro Black Edition

MSI GS60 (GTX 860M Kepler)

- max outside chassis temperature: 60 C
- max keyboard temperature: 37 C
- max CPU temperature: 80 C
- max GPU temperature: 76 C

MSI GS60 - benchmark.pl
Review: MSI GS60 2PC Ghost - Laptop - HEXUS.net - Page 2

 

Your Nitro temperatures are fine, but the GS60 ones contradict several other reviews. The chassis is reported to get as hot as 78 Celsius and the GPU can hit over 90 Celsius under load.
And if you average the Nitro chassis temperatures under load in the review you linked, it's around 41.3 Celsius. The GS60's average was 57 Celsius according to Notebookcheck.
The Nitro V17's average chassis temperatures under load, by contrast, is at 36.6 Celsius, owing to the larger cooling system.
And then there are the many complaints about how insanely hot the GS60 gets. But that's subjective.

MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 3K Edition (2PEWi716SR21) Notebook Review - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
Acer Aspire V17 Nitro (VN7-791G-759Q) Notebook Review - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 3K Review & Rating | PCMag.com

 

I see where you made a mistake - you confused different notebook models, your links are for super hot 3K GTX 870M version of MSI GS60 and then also 17" Acer Nitro V17 not 15" version Acer Nitro V15

You need to compare apples-to-apples - 15" 1080p versions with GTX 860M. These are reviews what I posted.

Acer is really not all that great, it's just that there weren't many reviews for it, and most of them weren't thorough.

MSI on the other hand got reviewed quite a lot, and there were several different models with very different temperatures - 1080p GTX 860M version was actually quite cool, then 1080p GTX 870M was hotter but still kinda survivable and finally 3K GTX 870M was the one that was super hot.

And now this new MSI GS60 version - 3K with GTX 970M - is pretty cool, according to Xentar712's review about 10 C cooler than GTX 870M version.

 

There's only one review of the GS60, 1920x1080 version with chassis temperature measurements - the one you linked. The same review also lists high temperatures under the cons section at the top. That's because the bottom gets as hot as 60 Celsius. I am very doubtful of the chassis load temperatures recorded there (average 33 Celsius), because the average temperature for the 870M, 3K version is about 23 Celsius higher (56 Celsius). But, there could be a non-obvious answer.

You have to account how damn loud the fan is on the GS60, which is noticeably absent from the review you linked, but has been reported to be as high as 65 dB on the 970M version. On the other hand, the V17 Nitro's cooling is almost silent maxing out at 43 dB. There aren't any citable measurements for the V15 in the review you posted, but it's pretty clear the Nitro has a much quieter fan.

 

Why in the world are you comparing a 15" laptop with a 17" one... of course the 17" is going to be cooler or run quieter in most circumstances. It's bigger and has more leeway. You ask him to account for all these things, yet you can't seem to account for the difference in laptop size.

 

This may be the wrong place for me to put this, I got my shiny new gs60 on Thursday an upgrade from my Alienware M14x R2. I love it, easily my favorite laptop I have ever owned. Has anyone had any strange stalling? Its almost like the CPU is pegged at 100% and I lose all input until it recovers, however the CPU is never pegged out and ive seen anywhere from 3%-30% when this is happening. I am using the factory install and the latest nvidia driver 344.24 for the 970m. I was trying to hold off donig a fresh windows install until my bigger m.2 SSD and 2133Mhz memory. I guess my query is has anyone with the new GS60 2QE Ghost Pro with the 970m had any wierd stalling phenomenon?

Kaldon

 

yeah pls use similar sized laptops for comparison. of course the larger laptop will be fitted with better cooling and ventilation systems as compared to the smaller sized msi hence the 17 inch acer is bound to run quieter than the 15 inch msi... and also acer isnt a very good laptop brand to go for and i have doubts about their quality control. also their experience in the gaming laptop field isnt that renowned as compared to msi.

 

Isn't GS60 supposed to hold just 18xxMHz RAM? And not overdoing it with 2000+ ?

 

You know what? Rather than arguing with you guys about laptop size and graphics cards and display resolution, I'll provide a little list with temperatures and fan noise with the specifications of each laptop listed. Then, you can draw the conclusions you want.

Average chassis temperature under load
MSI GS60, 2880x1620, 870M: 56.7 °C
MSI GS70, 1920x1080, 870M: 54.8 °C
Acer Nitro V17, 1920x1080, 860M : 36.6 °C

Max fan noise
MSI GS60, 2880x1620, 870M: 51.4 dB
MSI GS70, 1920x1080, 870M: 50.8 dB
Acer Nitro V17, 1920x1080, 860M : 43 dB
MSI GS60, 2880x1620, 970M: 65.3 dB
MSI GS70, 1920x1080, 970M: 58.7 dB

Sources: NotebookCheck for the 860M and 870M models
MSI GS60 GhostPro 3K / GS70 Stealth Pro Review w/ GTX970M - YouTube for the 970M models

I know I'm criticizing an MSI product in an MSI thread, so of course the MSI fans are providing backlash. But I'm not biased toward any company. I only look at the reviews and benchmarks of products. I can believe Acer has decided to make a good product as much as MSI has.

 

Hey, i didnt notice anything like that, however i did the clean install.
have you installed all drivers from driver partition? I mean all those chipset drivers. It takes a while amd requierea couple restarts.

Also, try to change the shift for eg. to green mode

 

Well, you can always buy this Acer model and then, go to proper thread and start describing your problema there (like typicl for acers: in 6m time, most used keys will have no letters on it, ir hdd will start to work extremally loud and slow and you will have no idea whatz goin on

As to the temps you mention - i see no reason for keep postings the numbers for old generation msi here, in new generation thread. New gs60, even in 3k model, are far better in terms of temps and the noise is not that bad at all. Numbers mean nothing, i dont even care if it is 50 or 55 dB - and most likely you dont care either, its all about how it feels and works in RL, not in paper in some heavy load stress tests.

 

You're kidding right? You're now trying to compare the 870M and the 860M. Not only that, but 860M is Maxwell while 870M is Kepler. Give me a break lol.

 

Dude..... I just read past all your posts but now I think I am gonna question you....
Do you know the difference b/w a Kepler and a Maxwell card? Do you realize the 860m and the 870m are 2 completely different cards with different heat dissipation?

To clear you misconception, try searching for GS70 with a 860m card to compare two like sized laptops (although the card architecture would be different).

 

The 970M readings you're quoting were taken when the sound meter was practically right next to the fan. Of course they're going to be higher than NotebookCheck's readings which are taken 15cm/6 inches away and who knows what position.

Besides, an 860M powered notebook isn't competitive with 870M and 970M models for gaming purposes anyway. The 70s produce more heat because they're much more powerful GPUs.

 

Wasn't the 860m gs60 Kepler?

 

It was, but I think he was referring to the Nitro V17 which probably uses the Maxwell core as opposed to the Kepler.

 

That is IPS.

 

Has anyone seen MSI GS60 with Full HD( not 3K ), 970M(3GB) and QWERTY-keyboard?
(what RAM, OS, etc.. it has, doesn't matter that much)



So far, thanks to this forum post, I have found:

3K, 970M(3 GB), QWERTY(I think) ,16GB, 128SSD + 1TB HDD, DOS at about 1700€:
MSI GS60 2QE(Ghost Pro 3K)-024XPL - Elektronika - sklep Komputronik.pl
If someone here knows Polish, could they please ask about a non-3K model with 970m and when should it be expected if at all.
Thank You a lot in advance


3K, 970M(3 GB), QWERTY(I think) ,8GB, 128SSD + 1TB HDD, Win 8 at about 1700€:
http://www.czc.cz/msi-gs60-2qe-026c...dukt?q-category-id=4ckbjd1qpoieg9jpopplt7kgld
If someone here knows Czech, could they please ask about a non-3K model with 970m and when should it be expected if at all.
Thank You a lot in advance as well


Update:
Scan customer service responded, saying that currently the model is under NDA, but there's no reason for them to not carry it once they have stock.

 

@Solban

There aren't any models of GS60 with FHD in Czechoslovakia :/ We have to wait what I've heard/read to the end of November for FHD screens here :/ (directly asked MSI CZ)

I am waiting for that kind of configuration too :/

 

Wait, so fan noise on the 970 is actually worse than the 870?

 

No, that post you referred to was conflating measurements from different tests with different methodologies.

Check for example this review, where Xentar712 actually had both GTX 870M and GTX 970M versions of MSI GS60 physically with him:

MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 3K review - Nvidia GTX 970M & 870M versions

So no, when you do proper comparison, GTX 970M is more quiet than GTX 870M, exactly as you would expect.

 

Nice thank you!

 

He's quoting the worst numbers from the GenTech review of the 970m powered GS60 and GS70 - those where the sound meter was placed right next to the fan. Whereas all the other measurements are from NotebookCheck, who never positioned their sound meter that close. They aren't comparable measurements.

 

Dont w8 - go and buy QHD, its really amazing

 

The fan is probably the same as the previous version, only at a lower speed to keep the temps stable. I need to verify that the fan speed is indeed lower somehow. None of the sensors pick it up so I need to look at the ecc fan profile, which is new to me. Maybe I'll look into it tonight

 

Nope ... For me having a 3K in a 15.6" is a stupid idea... and also it's way out of my bugdet so i have to wait for FHD which i hope so will make that laptop to not cost more than 1350 without VAT.

 

Wouldnt call it stupid, i would rather use "crazy" and "unusual"
Though most of great inventions came to the world due to crazy and unusual ppl

If you worry abt scalling than its not such a biggy - you just need to set few fings in browser and os, afterwards it looks normal (maybe except some unprepared programs that look either very tiny or blurred and pixelated

Bought mine for 7099 pln = 1690 eur = 1373 eur without taxes

 

FHD should be 100€ cheaper and also if there will be version without Windows it will be again cheaper for next -100€ because I am student at IT University, I have one Windows 8.1 license for free

I am not worried about scalling, it's not even crazy or unusual... It's nonsense to have that resolution at so small screen

 

In other words - lets agree to disagree

Imho 3k looks amazing in every way and 970m is powerfull enough to use it natively in games.

 

Dude, can you please upload a pic of the gameplay or movie or what ever on the 3K screen, 3K scaled to 1080p and on your old 1080p screen.
Just want to see the difference.
is the 1080p screen sufficient or 3K is really awesome and a must buy? What has been your personal experience regarding this subject?

 

Both are really awesome screens from what I've heard. I've seen the 3K display in action and it looks very nice and vibrant. Couldn't tell that it was RGBW unlike the W230SS 3K screen which was grainy, but otherwise nice. Only reason to get the 1080p is because no scaling for games, but it's much of a muchness. 3K scaled to 1080p is exactly a 150% scaling, you can probably try this out on your current monitor pretty easily to get an idea of what you're in for.

 

If you can tell the difference between the pixel densities just by looking at it for a few seconds, I'd say it's not nonsense at all. There is a very noticeable difference. Now 4k, I agree with you on. I would have a tough time telling the difference between 3k and 4k

 

A video would be tricky since it's only fhd quality and would be hard to focus on the portion of the screen to make it worthwhile to tell a difference. My phone camera can do 4k but It's 30fps and I think it would still be hard to get anything useful from it. Best I can probably do is take a high res picture of a 3k image, again at scaled 1080p and then on a 1080p laptop. Should have time to get this tonight, otherwise it'll be Sunday. I have a business trip tomorrow.

 

I'm torn between gs60 and gs70. I like the gs70 more in every way but I understand it does not have an IPS display. Can anyone speak to the difference in screen quality here for the 1080p models? xoticpc allows for a 90% gamut glossy TN upgrade for the gs70. Would that upgrade be enough to compete with gs60's IPS? Many thanks.

 

I am not sure if i should buy the MSI GS60 or the GS70.
What are the pros and cons for the MSI GS60 and GS70?

 

Once you get used to ips, you'll never want a tn screen again. There are dozens of video comparing the two. I can't comment on the gs70 because I've never had one but the screen made it an automatic no for me.

 

Thank you for your input! Definitely leaning towards gs60

 

Dont forget, the GS60 got a glossy screen
@Xentar712

 

Yeah that too, but you can get the matte fhd model as well. I've seen it before and it's top notch. Glossy doesn't bother me as long as it's not a glass pane and the brightness is high enough. I also never use it outdoors, so there's that.

 

Whats the difference between the displays of the GS70 and the GS60 FHD except that one is 17" and the other is 15"?
@Xentar712

 

The 15" is using IPS, the 17" is a TN panel (if I remember correctly)

 

Is the IPS Panel really soooo much better?
And what about the GS60 3K does it also use an IPS Panel?
@RDeluxe

 

There's only 3K IPS Panel in the world never heard of TN 3K

And to be correct MSI GS60 FHD is equippted with PLS panel from Samsung. (PLS is equivalent of IPS but completly made by Samsung)

 

What about the downscaling to FHD?
Does it really look that bad?
Does the GS60 get that much hotter than the GS70?
@charliex3

 

Yes, there are huge differences bewteen the 2 technologies, especially the viewing angles. Frankly, I will never come back to a TN panel. I've just had to work on a 27 TN panel during a weekend, as soon as I was moving a bit around, or when we wanted to to some peer programming, the screen was not readable easily.

Downscaling to FHD should work pretty well, it's a 1.5 division and thus should look neat. Actually, most of the reviews I have seen about 3K screen pointed this out : playing downscaled is ok.

Note : Don't use @nickname, but use the "reply with quote" button

 

Question: Will they make a MSI GS60 3K with a 6GB 970 or should I just pull the trigger on the 3GB?

 

So the MSI GS60 Ghost Pro-064 ( XOTIC PC | MSI GS60 Ghost Pro-064 - 15.6" 3K Ultra Thin Gaming Notebook - GTX 97) which says the screen is "15.6" FHD (16:9) Super Clear Matte-Type Screen (1920x1080)" is actually an IPS screen, just made by Samsung??

 

They do make them, just not very available for the moment (easier/sooner to get in US than in Europe).

I tried to collect info about 6 GB VRAM models here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi...t-pro-970m-owner-s-lounge-10.html#post9799484

Edit: ah, I see you mentioned 3K models. No, I haven't seen any for sale or pre-sale anywhere yet. But no reason why there wouldn't be. There is this list of SKUs with 4K 6 GB VRAM models (but has written Ghost Pro 3K as the base model, 4K is edition):

 

Is there a FHD Glossy option for the GS60? Or a FHD IPS option for the GS70?