The NEW MSI GS75, 8th GEN Intel, NVIDIA RTX GPU with GDDR6!

@seanwee does the GS75 come with screws in place for the two remaining ssd slots?

 

Yes.

 

Nice, I'm prepping for mine

 

How is the gameplay noice on the GS75, especially after repasting and undervolting?
I am trying to decide between this computer and the Lenovo y740, which is priced similar to GS75 in sweden.

 

This is very hard to convey. I had a GT73 and it was LOUD. I, however, had already gotten accustomed to it, so when I changed to the GS75, I found it to be rather silent in comparison.

It does get loud, but imo it is not unbearable, and there is not much difference in loudness (from my perspective) from like 75 to almost 100% fan speed. The laptop itself as a min speed of 50%, so you can definitely hear the bump from 50 up to 75 but then the sound is not that much.

I find it completely acceptable. And at 100%, it sounds like my GT73 maybe at 70%.

 

Probably a bug from the vbios. If performance and everything is working correctly, I wouldn't pay much attention to it. Try using the latest 2.23 version of GPU z to see if it still reads incorretly.

 

New Bios version for the GS75 released today - E17G1IMS.10D

Description
1. Update CPU Microcode version for Intel-SA-00233 (it's called Zombieload, MDS).

My response, more slowdowns? no thank you.

 

I finally got my GS75 in yesterday and am currently in the processing of optimizing and getting the most power out of it. Can someone explain how to stop power limit throttling? Running an Aida64 stresstest, it starts by pulling around 83w according to Throttlestop, but then falls back to 45w quickly, with all 8 cores (i9 9880h) sitting at around 3.3ghz.



Also, do you recommend keeping or uninstalling Dragon Center? Is there a way to control the fans without it?

Thanks!

 

To remove the power limit, go in the BIOS and unlock advanced BIOS options using the following key combination. Hold down Left Alt + Right Ctrl + Right Shift and then press F2.

Then go to Advanced > Power & Performance > CPU - Power Management Control > CPU VR Settings > Core/IA VR Settings

Set IMON Slope to 50
Set IMON Offset to 31999
Set IMON Prefix to "-",

Save and Reboot.

As for dragon center I tested the performance impact of it and it was within margin of error (very slightly faster in fact).

Aside from performance I find it very useful. I use it to easily control fan profiles and also to keep the battery charge at 70-80% for better battery longevity.

 

Thanks man!

I'm always a bit wary of messing around in the BIOS. Is this dangerous for the machine in any way, and are there any precautions I should take?

 

I'd recommend staying away from prime 95 or any stress test with avx. They put an absurd amount of stress on the cpu and cause it to produce a heck ton of heat which is a major concern if you have not repasted with Liquid metal.

If you must test it, keep a very close eye on the temperature readings. My GS75 with just a 6 core i7 hits 86-88°C on those stress tests and that is with a liquid metal repaste.

One thing in the BIOS that you must absolutely stay away from is undervolting. NEVER EVER UNDERVOLT IN THE BIOS. You may cause the laptop to go into an infinite rebooting cycle.

 

Alright, mine is repasted with Liquid Metal as well, so it should be fine!

I've already undervolted through Throttlestop, so I won't touch anything else in the BIOS. Thanks again!

 

That's good to hear.

Do post gaming benchmarks

You can also create a custom fan profile in dragon center. I'm using 75% fan (out of 150%) on cpu and gpu which settles at 77°C on the cpu and gpu while gaming.

Overclocking the ram is also an option if you're willing to invest the time.

 

I just tried a few minutes of AIDA64. I had fans set to auto, which caused thermal throttling. I don't know why they didn't ramp up more, but I'll have to tweak that as well! With cooler boost, however, I ran 8 cores at 4.0ghz with fantastic temps! Is Cooler Boost 150% fan speed?

I'll be installing games to test soon.

One thing I did notice was that in Throttlestop, the power draw is not accurately displayed anymore. I suspect that's because of the BIOS changes. Do you experience the same thing?

 

Yes, cooler boost runs fans at 150%. And yes again, the tdp isn't shown correctly anymore which is exactly what tricks the cpu into thinking it is drawing less power than it actually is.

BTW, shouldn't the i9 9880h max out at 4.1Ghz all core? It seems to me that there is still some throttling. Try raising the core multipliers in throttlestop FIVR to the maximum.

 

Yeah, you're right. The core multiplier is fine, so it might still be throttling. I'm not sure there's much more I can do though, and this is already pretty great!

It's time to dive into afterburner now as well

 

Theres quite a bit more you can do actually. Like reducing power consumption while on battery, overclocking the ram, overclocking the gpu, etc

 

Oh yeah, I meant regarding the power limit throttling!

I'm going to dive into Afterburner now. I already set up a battery profile in Throttlestop. I don't think I'll overclock the RAM though.

 

Alright, have fun

 

Thanks! This is the first 17 inch laptop I've had in a decade and man, it's great! So far I love pretty much everything about this laptop.

 

I had an Aorus X5 V8 and I've got to say, the way you could manage the fan curve was done a lot better there! I would've liked to choose at what percentage the fans ramp up at a specific temperature. This is a bit oversimplified. Or am I missing something?



This is how it was on the Aorus.

 

Yes, it's a lot more limited on MSI laptops but I think it's still good enough.

This is my profile

 

I've got mine set up to ramp up all the way to 120% haha, but it's pretty much only for during stress testing and benchmarking.

Hopefully they expand the feature set with a real fan curve in a future update

 

Yeah that's perfectly fine. 75% just happens to be the quietest I get the GS75 to run at with reasonably good temps.

And yes, they really should revamp the fan control to a more granular one. They've been using this type of fan control since 2015

 

Finally got around to actually game! Played about 4 hours of Forza Horizon 4 with all settings maxed out. Gotta say, liquid metal + undervolt and some optimization basically equals magic

 

How fast were the fans running? And what temps did gpu max out at?

 

I've had the fans set on advanced in Dragon Center and they could ramp up to a max of 120%. If I had to guess going by the sound, they were under 80% pretty much the whole time.

As for the GPU, I forgot to take a screenshot

 

You should be able to cap at 90% for cpu and gpu by the looks of it

 

You're probably right, but since I don't mind the noise, I'll just let it ramp up whenever it needs to. I think it's good for the longevity of the machine if temps are kept in check!

By the way, have you removed the stickers next to the trackpad? If so, do they leave any residue or is it clean afterwards?

 

Keeping the system cool is always good, components last exponentially longer as temps go down.

And yes, I removed the stickers on the laptop. It was the first thing I did actually. All stickers can be peeled off cleanly with patience, all except the RTX sticker. That leaves a lot of residue.

I cleaned it up easily using window cleaning spray though. For some reason it worked better than just isopropyl alcohol.

 

Definitely agree. I just played a few more hours of Forza Horizon 4 (I'm not a fan of racing games, but it's a lot of fun) and checked temps again. CPU was the same, as expected. Fans for the CPU still set on advanced and can hit up to 120% speed.

As for the GPU, it averaged 70c and hit a max of 73c, which I think is very, very good. The fans were set to 100% max.

 

Sounds good

 

Can anyone chime in whether the MSI 75 8750/2060 (90w) vBIOS version can run a 230w PSU or will the EC ignore the higher PSU and draw on the battery.

Also running 3200Mhz CL16 in Dual Channel without issue and it makes a huge difference in games.

 

In the quest of pushing my GS75 to the limit, I managed to further reduce power consumption of the GS75 to get a solid 8-9 hours (was about 6+) while watching movies. (second lowest brightness, keyboard backlight off)

I followed this guide and the two steps that lengthened battery life the most were enabling HIPM+DIPM+DevSleep (I use all 3 ssd slots so this helped more) and enabling speedshift.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-on-windows-enabling-deeper-c-states.815602/

Discharge rate according to batterybar is around - 9,500mW to - 10,300mW now.

 

So, i recently bought the 8sf version with 8750 and 2070 maxq.
I am considering changing to the 9sg version.
A question. Where are your firestrike scores at with the 2080?
I am trying to decide if it is worth it
My score is 18300 on graphic, which seems really good for a 2070 maxq.

 

This is mine after tweaks.

 

Yeah, that is a distinct difference. Very nice values with your changes.
Did you settle for the 90 watt vbios?
Since I most likely won't go for the ram modification I guess I will not reach that level. I am thinking I might reach 21-22k range with the normal throttlestop, afterburner combo.

The 9sg have a 1 tb SSD and 32 ram compared to the 512 GB SSD and 16 ram of the 8sf model. And of course the better CPU and GPU.

It is the hard question of what I actually need compared to my emotional want.
The gs75 is definitely the right in appearance and size.

 

9th generation GS75s come with 90w vbioses by default. 32gb is too much imo.

 

Ah, ok.
I read earlier that you experimented with the higher wattage vbios. Did you get it to work?

I agree 16 ram is definitely enough for the next 1-2 years at least. In Sweden there is currently only one version of the 9sg for sale and it is the 32 ram/ 1tb SSD option.

 

Not yet. Still working on it.

And it was the same case for me. There was only a 32gb option if I wanted to get the GS75 with 2080Max-q

 

Anyone else lost Optimus with the last Nvidia drivers ? :/

 

The igpu/dgpu led is not working properly sometimes. But optimus is working properly.

 

@seanwee
Do you remember your stock graphics score in firestrike?
It is around 20200 for me with around 21300 using MSI afterburner and a 150 OC.

I am just trying to decide if i was lucky/unlucky on the computer.
Seems good considering notebookcheck got around 20k (1980 ish)

Otherwise this finally feels good.
From Lenovo y740 (to big), gs75 8sf (to weak) to the gs75 9sg.
Its really a remarkable difference ingame from the 8sf verison. 20-30% better framrates.
I had a old 970m asus laptop from 2015 before. so its basically double the framerates in witcher 3... now to reinstall good old modded skyrim again...

 

21300 sounds about right. I also did the imon slope tweak and overclock the ram to get 17k+ cpu score.

 

Ok, thanks for the input. Out of interest, How did you get the graphics score another 1000. Was that due to the oc ram or something else?

Also another thing. I have so far not removed dragon center. (Since I am considering dropping afterburner and instead using turbo and oc there instead.)
And from what I have heard;
Eco mode is power saving mode, (no cpu turbo)
Comfort mode is like balanced energy scheme: CPU can use turbo, but no change to GPU.
Sport mode is max performance energy scheme: CPU can use turbo and some kind of dynamic OC to the gpu.
And turbo mode is basically sport mode where I can OC the gpu like in afterburner.

I have tried firestrike both in comfort and sport mode, with throttlestop and afterburner active and I see no real difference in points.

Have anyone noticed a difference between comfort and sport mode when using these programs?

 

I have not tested that before but I don't think they will have any significant impact. Turbo mode just sets a gpu overclock, sport does nothing, not sure about comfort, and eco turns on automatically when I'm on battery.

I got the extra 1000 points by using optimised nvidia drivers and pushing the gpu oc to +160 core, +800 memory. The ram oc helps increase the cpu score.

 

I have been using dragon center to limit the max battery charge to 70-80% but all of a sedden windows decided that 70-80% is the max capacity of the battery and now its showing 100% when it's actually only at 70% charge.

MSI battery calibration tool doesn't work. Any ideas how to fix this?

 

Use AIDA64 to check battery info such as battery life and wear level.

 

I have installed the latest version of Dragon Center two days ago and it has stopped working, it does not run either at the start or manually. I can not fix it or installing clean, or with the previous version. Any ideas?

 

I had this problem with my old leopard Pro. No idea how to fix it. Luckily it has not happened yet on my GS75...yet.

Very wierd problem