The Official 1722/GX720 Lounge

If its socket P then yes it should work (i think all the others are P) it really depends on the Intel PM45 specifications and the bios you are using, you may need a compatible CPU if it doesnt begin to post, then you can update bios, but i dont have any experience **yet** with the barebones so bare with me

 

Hi, thankyou for your reply. Since posting I read some posts, T7300 and T7500's appear to work, but I cant find the links now.

So I took the plunge, a buy-it-now ID2 from ebay about 5 mins ago. Im in Australia where these cant be bought.. so its a risk having it sent (they ok it first, with insurance!).

Anyway worst comes to the worst I will build it with a supported chip. Will post updates here

 

Sounds good to me cole, welcome to NBR by the way hehe, i know people use T series, its just normally everyones cooked up in the t9 series processors and p7+ serie, quads work nicely too if you ever rack up the money, q9000 is very good.

 

the most important thing is to stay away from the ES version of processors, go for the retail versions, because these laptops do NOT like es, especially if theyre the earlier steppings, t7 series should work without a hitch, however idk about overclocking on those, the t5550 i had refused to overclock and would freeze the system but thats probably due to the fact that it was running at a slower FSB, id suggest the 8400/8600 T9 series procs for best support and power.

T9400 overclocks well, as i had posted, almost literally a page before you asked, i slapped an extra 500 is mhz onto it and temps are respectable. in fact my 65nm merom t5500 hits the same temps and is only 1.6ghz....

my setup is quite successful, grab a t9400 form ebay, not ES version, or if you must get one from extremeprocessors, thats the only trustworthy seller, and some of the g.skill ram i posted about before, it clocks well, DDR2 800 stock to current DDR2 950. and a very nice 1270 ish fsb.

ID2 model is red and black, and idk what the deal is with those lines and crap all over the picture for the touch panel, you wont have that on the notebooks.

youve got 3x pci-express slots in here so use em up.
=]

Also i hear the quaddies clock very nicely, though stock speed and being a quadcore youll have more power than youll ever need in a notebook. but from a logistical standpoint, your weakest link will be the 9600 at that point for a bottleneck. though you can overclock that to 9700gt spec.

but BEWARE there is a discrepancy when it comes to ram cooling on the 9600gt, one of the chips is half covered if not more, so that chip can be a potential clocking weakpoint.

 

Guys, how can I tell if my blue-tooth driver installed? (is there a place in device manager?)

I downloaded the blue-tooth driver from msi's website. When installing it, it kept saying to "plug in" the device. I canceled that portion of the installer. After that, it said the blue-tooth windows stack was installed.

 

When it says plug it in, you just enable it through the touch sensor and the messege will dissapear.

 

Is it okay if I didn't turn it on but instead clicked cancel during the installation?

When I clicked the blue-tooth button, I get "installing driver" tray icon.

 

I got my 1722 ID2 tore all apart. I am going to upgrade the GPU, and Get a QX9300 for it. I also purchased 2GB turbo memory module for it. Not sure what GPU I am going to try yet. Choices are limited. The 9800m GTX and 8800m GTX dont work. I dont want to go with a 4850 because I have my GT725. I really am thinking about trying the GTX 260m or GTX 280m. I will keep you posted as I decide what I am going to do.

 

Where do you purchase your video cards? I wouldn't mind getting a 4850....

 

I will get the GPU from RJ Tech.

 

well, i officially bought my GX720 today from ebay for 414$ (450, - my 8% off coupon )
See laptop here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=180373717295

I also took the liberty to buy an ES Q9100, but i took careful measures to check the seller's feedback, and found most of his processors sold were indeed ES, BUT, all users said they were fantastic and completely stable. I checked with the seller to make sure he ran stress tests on it to make sure it was stable as well. So, i took the plunge and bought it for 200$ shipped. Worst comes to worst, if it doesn't work well, or its a dud, he does offer a full refund for it.

RAM im thinking will not cost me much, since ddr2 is dirt cheap. I already have my hdd and wifi card from a broken laptop, so im good to go there

Total price of rig so far: 614$

Opinions?

 

is there a web page I can go to? i would like to see how much they charge for 9800m gs or a 4850....

 

Yah im interested in that too, seeing that an 9800m GS is a class 1 GPU

 

Thankyou everyone for the info, im looking foward to updating with the build details.

For anyone watching the ebay auctions, I bought mine yesterday from tmycoolseller, who had good comunication during and post auction (but I havnt taken delivery yet!). They still have 2 barebone HD ID2's which seem a steal.

http://shop.ebay.com.au/merchant/tmycoolseller

Automatikjack, how do I tell if I have an ES model CPU? My T7700 is from an OEM Toshiba that died (but I know the CPU is ok).

http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SLAF7

nacr05, good luck with the GTX cards, will be interested to see how it goes.


edit: Ok discovered ES is engineering sample, so Im assuming OEM CPUs are not going to be ES. Also discovered the edit button!

 

My copy paste fail

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLAF7

 

The SL code lets you know it isn't an ES.

I've personally tried a T7500 FC-PGA and it worked fine in a 1722. I actually used it a few times to update the BIOS for newer chips that weren't supported, so your T7700 should work fine.

 

RJ Tech only sells the GTX 280m as far as I know, Eurocom has the others, 9800m GT, GTS and such..

http://mivasecure.abac.com/rjtech/m...duct_Code=VGA-280M-M570TU&Category_Code=OTHER

http://www.eurocom.com/

On Eurocom you click the upgrade center then click Accessory and Upgrade Pricing, then scroll down to VGA Technology.. This lists all the GPU's you can buy..

 

coletrx, I hope you didn't use the buy it now button. The guy would have accepted 460 for it. I asked him, but my guy accepted 450

Oh, and this is where i bought my processor.
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Intel-Quad-core-Q9100-QDRS-2-26G-12M-1066MHz_W0QQitemZ260436340948QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Components?hash=item3ca33730d4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
His feedback seemed good, so I went for it. Plus, its an engineering sample, so i should be able to push it harder if ya know what i mean

 

Lol, i would love to have a 280m, but I extremely doubt it would work. It seems no one has a 9800m gs or the ati 4850...

 

I bet it will as its basically an MSI GT725, my Advent is registered as an MS 1722 machine And that has the 4850 in it, problem is the heat sink and fixes isnt it?

 

Eurocom has the 9800m GTS which is slightly faster than the 9800m GS..

 

I prefer to get something that will be guaranteed to work. The gts uses 75 watts. The gs uses only 60 watts, which I think is the max the notebook can handle. I know that the ati 3870 would work, but I don't know if it's worth getting.

 

Sorry the for the double post, but really need to know this:

How do you actually oc? I went in and changed to 24% and changed the memory stuff, but when I boot into windows, it's like nothing changes. CPUZ and everest both show the bus speed hasn't changed at all.

Am i forced to use setfsb?

 

I think overclocking only works in conjunction with the turbo button (you would have to buy the face plate) so yeah, set FSB really is the only option.

 

Okay, thanks for answering. Another question, is there any program that will allow me to control the fan? I am OC my video card and when i am running my stress tests, my fan doesn't speed up at ALL, it's dead silent! I have to put my ear right up to the vent to hear it. I think it's because my cpu doesn't heat up at all when running my stress tests for the video card. It shot straight up to 80 degrees without any increase in fan speed.

 

In regards to that, i dont think that the fan speed controller used by msi has been mapped out previously by any of the fan speed controller programs simply becuase its prolly one of the lesser used variants, ive tried many different programs hoping for the same, cept my circumstances are different, i just like 100% airflow while i oc.

Basically the only thing i can say is that we are sol, so far in all the solutions ive tried, so we need someone to id the fan speed controller and write a program that will interface with it and allow it to be controlled manually.

now if you dont care and want 100% speed there are two options which are physical hacks, the first is to remove the third lead which monitors fan speed (the yellow wire) that should do it however im not sure and really am not willing to destroy my only fan, if you try it, do some background research on the third wire to be sure.

The next option is to find the voltage that the fan is and directly solder it to a supply of that voltage to force it at max rpm.

or as a last resort, you can buy a blower, there are several offered on ebay which mount directly onto the fan grill and pull air out, they work quite well, and they should help you.


one thing that i can offer for insight into the way fan speed controllers work on computers is that they are designed for power effieicency as they run at reduced speed depending on the temperature of the processor, and also the load, most designed only to run at max speed when the processor is at 100% load, and in most cases many laptops will try to keep the machine below that for power management reasons. so its two sides of the same flawed coin, from a cooling standpoint.

Id say the closest program that there is to a workaround is NHC (notebook hardware control-something, i forget the full name, but it had like i said the option to dump the neccesary information to make setting to control that fan, its just that we need someone who can read and do the neccesary programming.

 

Hi guys. I was looking into more detail about my processor, and found the following details.

It was the second generation ES q9100.
it has the c0 stepping

What does this mean? And can i overclock with this laptop that a bought:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MSI-Laptop-17-WUXGA-MS-1722-Barebone-Notebook-GX720_W0QQitemZ320389890668QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_comp_laptop?hash=item4a98b9c26c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

 

That laptop has the turbo feature and can be OC'd..

 

Okay, I have the 17722 ID2, I thought I did not have the turbo button...

On the right side of my eco button there is a button that lookes like an "e". What is this supposed to be? Whenever I push it, I am greeted with "Turbo On"!!!! I am so flipping happy. (just checked cpu-z, my fsb went from 266 to 329!)

 

Yeah, i think its a shame auto as the final stage of the fan is when the northbridge hits 90C.

Now i wouldnt cut that yellow wire either I think it does more then just tell it RPM to spin at (tried connecting a GPU fan up to some batteries and it just wouldnt start).

I also dont suggest upping voltages on these things, getting a replacement is hard.

Hardware monitor pro is capable of fan programming as well but the problem again is people trying to code it for the specific computer and tapping into it all.

I know some people that know how to mod bios' so i will see if they have any free time during the hols coming up here.

 

That e symbol is the turbo button, you have to have the system control manager installed for it to work..

 

I had this same issue due to the latest EC firmware (and as a result, the video card would overheat all the time). Had to downgrade to EC 4.21 (I believe) to get the fan to spin up at 70C and then really spin up at 80C.

 

Remember to reset your EC firmware after updating it by removing the A/C and battery for 5 mins, then plugging everything back in. The fan acts really strange when you don't do that. Also, EC 4.29 caused a ton of issues with my laptop, and I had to go back to EC 4.21 as I indicated above to get everything working properly.

 

LOL are you serious? I was looking at the feedback of the guy I bought my notebook from and one of the guys said that it didn't come with the turbo button. And when I was looking at the gx720 pics, all of them had this fancy turbo button. So I thought mine didn't have one, lol

How many people have issues with the fan and newest EC?

Mine computer came with version 4.27 and I upgraded to 4.29....

 

What kind of fan issues darth?

 

I am having no issues, I was just asking because of what blaydes99 said in his posts. I just finished my 3dmark06 tests. My fan did speed up but I still had to put my ear right next to the vent to hear it. I was absolutely overjoyed watching my temps. My gpu maxed at 75 (with 700/900/1600 clocks) and my cpu at 58 (at 3.67GHZ).

This is truly one amazing notebook...

I love the screen, the keyboard (10000 times better then my hp's), and everything else about it. There is only 1 thing I wish was different... I wish it could hold a second hard drive.

 

There is a button to turn off the mouse pad Its FN + F3....

 

lol, I would give you +1 rep, but it says I have to spread some around before giving you some...

 

Thats cool, I am here to help out..

 

aHa, well i guess youl be happy to know that there is another stage in the fan for the machine you probably wont ever hear it in your notebooks lifetime

 

Even under extreme load (Prime95 + DX Real time going), the noise was nowhere near that of the m17 or M4400 thank goodness. It was on par with the noise of the W90Vp under load which is very acceptable.

 

Haha, yeah i heard an m17x on video...its a hoover for sure when it comes to noise, and ours are real quiet.

 

**Ignore this***

 

Ok I got a ATi 3870 on the way. I am going to put this in my 1722, wish me luck.. I will keep you posted..

 

Hmm well i guess you could try uninstall the disk drive from device manager and then remove it from the barebone? and just check everythings looking ok. pop it back in etc.

Any software you have recently installed on your machine that has any control over the drive? (burning software etc)

Good luck nacr, look forward to your findings!

 

Nevermind, i just simply rebooted and it's working. I have no clue why it stopped working.... maybe it doesn't like the increase in fsb when I use turbo mode?

I saw one on ebay for $360 i think. I also saw them being sold for $303 on some website. I thought about it, but the 3870 isn't worth it over the 9600m gt imo. If you really wanted to test something, I suggest getting the 160m. i saw a vendor selling one for $434 and according to what I've read it uses the same power consumption of the 9800m gs so it's pretty much guaranteed to work and it's a lot better then the 3870. Best of luck.

 

The 3870 stomps the 9600m GT. I got this for a good price in my area. I would of loved to get a GTS 160m or a GTX 280m but the prices are just to high right now. The 9600m GT is a good card but its only 128 bit bus. There is a big preformance diffrence between 128 bit and 256 bit. It dont like to play games at high res.
When I got my GT725 I was shocked at the preformance gain from the 4850. Its night and day over the 9600m GT.

 

I concur the 4850 is 10000000000000000 times better then the 9600m gt, but the 3870 is based on an older core and sucks compared to the 4850. While the 3870 is better then the 9600m gt, I don't think it's worth the money. You probably got a very good deal on it so that doesn't matter, enjoy it

 

Yeah thanks, I am just testing stuff out to see what will work and what does not. I am also thinking about buying that 9800m GTS thats for sale over in the market place. But I am having second thoughts that it will work..
I really dont want to sink alot of money in my 1722. I am considering buying a new M17x. I'd sell my GT725 first though..

 

If i had an extra £600, i'd take my chances with the lower end model (and build it up) with the m17x, but at the moment our machines are on par, if not better then the lower end.