*** The Official 2019 MSI GS65 Stealth with RTX GPUs Owners and Discussions Lounge ***

Hey! Could you write up a detailed guide for the 8 hour battery profile? I just manage to hit 6hrs!

 

The primary settings for that profile is that I use speed shift 8-15 and iGPU for wow. That can net me 5+ for wow gaming, trying to get a consistent six hours still.
However for regular use that easily goes 8 hours (6ish if my battery isn't fully charged and instead at the bottom of my charge setting)

 

Nice i tried 11-16 but windows says the most i get is like 7 hours with a .140 UV

 

adjustable voltage at -40



Based on their stored records, 2060 is ripping it alongside the 9750h. Mind running it for comparison?

 

Mine doesnt go below 11

Set CPU Flex Ratio Settings to 8

on this setting i try to input 8 and it just goes back to 26

Also what c state u use on battery?

 

can you tell how to install 90w tdp on msi gs65 9sf and how to apply LM because my laptop stays hot after using LM

 

i dont thiknk itll be ever be ike 50 degress under load what do u mean hot...i played COD MW yesterday for about an hour and mine was GPU 75 CPU 72 @3.3 1080p all maxed out 110fps with a slight oc to the gpu and this is after a repaste not LM

 

I've been on the same battery setting since I purchased my RTX model back in March. Currently on 0.8% wear though. It was sitting on 0% for months, then jumped up to 5% after a quick gaming session on battery which kinda surprised me, but for some reason the wear eventually settled to the current 0.8%

 

Well, if he's going to be running all cores at 4ghz like me he's going to want Liquid Metal to keep temperatures at 75-85°C
At those 4ghz all core the cpu will be drawing 80+ watts so they do get quite toasty.

 

Try this guide.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-on-windows-enabling-deeper-c-states.815602/

 

Yeah thta might do it i couldnt get away with that on CM maker nano...but im not brave enough to do LM yet..im happy though.....

 

Wow.....that's some reading!!

 

I don't have a 90w vbios for the 2070 Max-q so you'll have to look and ask around in other threads for it.

First you need to protect the surrounding area from spills using a non conductive barrier. Clear nail polish will work fine. Apply a coat into the components surrounding the cpu die and gpu die

I also cut a foam dam to put around the cpu and gpu die to prevent any spills. Though i wouldnt recommend this step unless you're very dedicated or very skilled as you need to cut it so that it's the same height on all sides. Otherwise the die will not make proper contact with the heatsink and you will get very poor temperatures.




As for applying the liquid metal, just 3 steps
1. Apply an initial coat to the heatsink and let it soak in for a few hours.
2. Clean off any residue on the heatsink.
3. Rub throughly onto the cpu/gpu dies and the heatsink.

A few tips, don't spray the liquid metal directly onto the die or the heatsink, get a q-tip and put some liquid metal on that then rub that onto the heatsink and cpu.

And for the quantity, don't let it pool. Small drops of it scattered around the die and heatsink are fine, as long as there isn't a pool large enough to ripple.

 

Before with LM I tried kryonaut but it kept heating up to 93C on cpu

 

At what clock speed?

 

I did as you explained but my laptop still reached 90C on CPU
Is there a problem with my laptop? I just bought it 2 months ago

 

I did not change it at all (4ghz with -150 uv)

 

With Liquid metal right?

Do you have pictures of your application so I can see if you put the correct quantity? If you use too little liquid metal it will leave hotspots too.

Btw what are you fan settings?

 

Yes

I can't send it for now because I'm busy with my college assignments, maybe 2 weeks from now

Max when playing games

 

Cool! I'll try that!

Ah! I see. I noticed that mine jumped back down to 0.6%. Not quite sure why that is happening.

Ah! Yes! Thanks for this one!

 

So I did want to note in all of my research locking your cores to 35x should keep an optimal temperature for 90%+ 9750h.

This is important to note as most games are dependent on a consistent performing CPU and not necessarily the top speed. Ie, yes you will get higher numbers especially synthetic however in gaming it means less.

When playing games, lock your cores to 35x and see how your performance in gaming is.

Similarly locking your GPU boost curve @ .725 or .750 can improve playability. If using Silent Option, Fan curves can droop until the last two notches, should be at least 80% fan speed or higher. (40, 50, 55, 65, 80, xx) This should set you on the second set of soft thermal cap for GPU.

Best thing.. no more jet turbines. Should yield great perfomance on paste, much better on liquid

 

Just did some upgrades:



1x AX200
2x 16GB Samsung Bdies
1x 1TB 970 EVO
2x Copper M2 heatsinks



Samsung PM981 512GB (OS/Programs)
Samsung 970 EVO 1TB (Programs/Games)
2x Copper M2 heatsinks



The kit included 2x 0.5mm and 2x 0.8mm thermal pads. I used the 0.8mm to put between the drive and copper plate. Under I have 1.5mm Thermal Grizzley Minus 8 pads.



Replaced the 16GB Stock Samsung C dies with 32GB Samsung B dies.

Will be testing the overclocks later but C dies are pretty good stock ram in itself, was able to do 3200CL18 prior.



Replaced the stock Intel AC9560 with the latest Intel AX200.



Overall:
Significant NVMe temps improvement, currently around 35-40C idle. I know nand likes to be warm but controller is cool so far.
Significant WiFi performance improvement. I know I cant really test it to the fullest as I only have an AC router but I saw a good 100-200+Mbps in transfer rate, cant say much on signal strength as I havent had it outside the house. Should be good

I moved the 1TB 970 EVO from my desktop as I bought another MP510 to have two on there.

Unfortunately I did buy a heatsink for the PCH but it was too big, i forgot there was a heatpipe that went across it so maybe in the future I'll put one but for right now not priority.

To do:
Test ram B die overclocks.

 

If you're on liquid metal like me you dont even need to lock down the cores. I let mine run without any limits so it will always be boosting at 4ghz when the task calls for it.

I run at 77C cpu and gpu when playing apex legends with 75% fans. Cpu constantly at 4ghz and gpu overclocked by +140mhz core +800mhz vram.

 

I put thermal pads on my ram to that it uses the chassis as a heatsink. Thought it might be a good idea since laptops dont have any airflow across the ram sticks unlike on desktops.

 

What size thermal pads did you put on there?

 

1.5mm did the job for me. Don't put any pads under the ram sticks though, that'll just heat it up.

 

This! You will kill your keyboard faster plus getting the right sizes will be a PITA because the RAM goes in at an acute angle and you will need various thickness of thermal pads.

I attempted thermal pads at various sizes and all I did was get the RGB to fail until I removed the pads.


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BTW, the fans are quiet up to 60% so if you want a very quiet gaming system that's the fan speed to set.

It starts to get exponentially louder above 75% so in between 60% and 75% is the sweet spot.

Aaand the third fan on the gpu side only switches on when cooler boost is engaged. Meaning the fan curve in Dragon Center and silent option will only affect two fans. Not sure how to control that fan otherwise.

Edit: Just did some more testing, the third fan is temperature activated. It will run at max speed when the gpu hits about 75°C so setting 60% won't make it run silent if your gpu hits 75°C.

The sweet spot seems to be 70% gpu and 75% cpu.

 

The led that died on mine was closest to the Pm981 SSDs and they do get pretty toasty under load

 

Wasn't aware that one fan would not function if not set on coolerboost. Will try and test this.

I have always used silent options at 150% when gaming and just assumed all 3 fans switched on.

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Just did some more testing, the third fan is temperature activated. It will run at max speed when the gpu hits about 75°C

So setting 60% won't make it run silent if your gpu hits 75°C. The sweet spot seems to be 70% gpu and 75% cpu.

 

Can anyone let me know if its worth ocing the ram on these?

 

Hi, I have a GS65 with RTX2060 w/ 90wBIOS and the unit have power drain when im gaming. So I buy an original MSI 230W Power Supply to avoid this but im still having slow battery drain in gaming, aprox 1% ever 15 min of gaming. Why this can happen whith the 230w PSU?

 

This is part of EC design unless you have access to the unlocked version of EC firmware, updating to an unlocked BIOS would not help.

 

you either live with it or stay on 80w bios

 

U guys remember the advanced bios tweak where you change ac load line and dc loadline to 1 (default 180).

I compared that loadline 1 with max undervolt and loadline 180 with max undervolt.

Loadline 180 with max undervolt was the clear winner. Temps were a lot lower and as the operating voltage at 4ghz was lower as well. 1.14 vs 1.2v

 

There's a new bios update for GS65 8SE:
E16Q4IMS.116



Anyone tried yet or is willing to try?

 

"Improving System Stability"

My system is stable, I'll pass

 

FYI $1,399 @bb
Got mine price matched!!!

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-15...with-gold-diamond-cut/6343975.p?skuId=6343975

 

Yup same one for the 9SE/F/G modesl:

https://www.msi.com/Laptop/support/GS65-STEALTH-9SE

2x stability

Code:

GS65 Stealth 8SE/GS65 Stealth 8SF/GS65 Stealth 8SG/GS65 Stealth 9SG/
GS65 Stealth 9SF/GS65 Stealth 9SE/GS65 Stealth 9SD

;****************************************************************************;

New BIOS : E16Q4IMS.116
ROM CheckSum : 0xB166
Release Date: 2019.11.1

;--------------------------- Description ------------------------------------;
                
1.Improving System Stability .

Just did a quick 3DMark on my system:
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/9148596

Not too bad! been playing The Outer Worlds.

Just light overclocks on the ram
3200CL18 (bdies) and using 90W bios now, right from stock it was already showing improvements.

 

So I havent really tried pushing these RAM yet.. been busy actually playing games lol!

Anyway new BIOS "feels" stable so far, havent had it that long to check overall stability yet.

RAM still at 3200@CL18-18-18-38

 

Does it break CPU Flex Ratio Override? Last update did for me and I wasn't able to lower it in Bios, hence, my fear of this bios update.
A downgrade resolved this issue

 

How can i overclock the ram on gs65 9se?

 

Depending on what RAM you have, I had the 16GB Samsung C-Dies and they did 3200CL18 just fine, now testing 32GB Samsung B-Dies but i kept them at 3200CL18-18-18-38-1T for now.

In BIOS do the magical ctrl, shift, alt, f2... play with uncore (SA) maybe +125mV, then play around with memory clocks, 3200, 18-18-38, whatever voltage is needed for 3200, 1.30-1.35V? and ram at 133 x 12 = 1600 which is = 3200

 

Uncore does nothing for the clocks I've tested. The 8700k on desktops has no problems with 4000mhz+ memory at stock voltage so I think upping uncore is unnecessary here.

The limiting factor here is the ram quality.

 

Hmm I think you're right, I put it back to 0mV and it booted up fine. Could have sworn it wouldn't boot till I changed it back with the C-dies. My desktop needs IO/SA tweaks for 4000CL17 though.

 

Also B-die?

B-die quality and memory rank also has a big impact so it depends. Some like your case may need that extra push.

I got my sticks in 3733 stock so they hit 4000mhz cl18 without any modifications. Above that raising mem controller voltages helped.

For laptops, dual rank makes more sense imo. More performance without needing high clocks and voltages. Don't want the sticks to die from excess heat. Laptops don't have airflow over the ram.

 

Yeah my desktop ram is also B-dies, 3200CL14 kit at 4000CL17.

It's mostly on the IMC on the CPU though, mine is decent I can push it to 4400, starts to cap out around 4600 or so or may need more voltage.

I can probably start pushing the laptop one as well, I just need a decent one for gaming.

 

Yeah but I don't think laptop ram will reach those clocks so ‍

 

Yeah, not too worried so much on the laptop. Anything above 2666 was fine for me, won't really be doing a whole lot of gaming on these tbh