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There is a new bios out, anyone try it?

 

Man.. undervolting by 140 CPU Core/Cache and still hiting limit and crazy temps (Just during gaming World of Warcraft) .. do I just need to re-do the paste?

 

Has anyone tried the new bios update?

 

Turn down your turbo ratio limits, keep the first 2 cores at 41, the rest i would turn down to 33-35. You can under-volt a bit more, try -165. Also, if you're going to under-volt the iGPU you may want to do the same to the unlice. As it goes by same rules as CPU core and cache. It seems like cores 4 & 5 (Physical core 3) are hitting the the thermal throttle first, so you can try to take the processor affinity off of those 2 for any high demand game's or programs. It's helped for me in my experience.

 

I have. I did not notice any difference yet.

 

Thank you very much for your suggestions! Started crashing at 165 and 160. I'll try 155 and see how it goes. I did turn down the other cores to 35 and will see how that goes as well. Much appreciated!

 

Has anyone ran the oc scanner in msi afterburner? When I am running it I am getting the BSOD anyone else having this issue.

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There is most likely a conflict with the GPU because OC scanner requires voltage controls I believe. Maybe it's trying to do something with the GPU while overclocking it that the GPU doesn't like?

 

Does that mean I need to stop the undervolt that I applied by using throttlestop?

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The undervolt should only affect the CPU and not the GPU. I think you need to manually overclock instead of using OC scanner, as such features tend to be geared towards desktops that have clocks, fan, voltage and power sliders available. In notebooks we tend to have a hard TDP power limit and voltage ceilings.

 

Hi, I have a question about this. My system comes with 1 stick 16gb module. For enabling dual channel, should I use the same/similar 16gb stick, or a 4gb stick would work either (any brand?)? what if the one I buy is cheapo 4gb stick? what you guys suggest?
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You will gain some performance with another 4gb stick but to gain the best performance for dual channel it is better to get another 16gb stick.

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Get a matching RAM stick. Check the current RAM stick that you have to use the same brand/specs. It's best to use matching size, so get another 16GB stick, or get two 8GB sticks if you don't need 32GB of ram.

 

I suppose getting a matching stick might be very difficult / expensive to do so since they are often OEM, not for retail sale.
I'd grab a matched HyperX or G.Skill kit.
What's the max RAM speed 8750H will take?

I'm still undecided whether to grab the GE75 or the 51M, which is €450 more expensive but has a G-Sync panel and a desktop i7 9700.

 

As long as the speed and size are the same, it should be fine; try to get a stick with the same or better timing as they system should automatically decrease the performance to match the stick with the slower timing. A bunch of people herehave added to their OEM 16GB system without matching the brand.

 

how is the new ec firmware even relevant...

Model : MS-17E2
MKT Name : GE75 Raider 8SG/GE75 Raider 8SF/GE75 Raider 8SE

New EC Firmware: 17E2EMS1.108
ROM CheckSum : 11AE
Release Date : 2019/04/17

;--------------------------- Description ------------------------------------;

1.adjust power limit parameter for Intel 9th gen CPU i9.

 

Has anyone tried this new firmware update?

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Hi guys,

I recently bought an ge75 rtx 2070 and have undervolted it by - 0,150 v. Temps are still at 95 °C during Cinebench. The Vcore is around 1,15 max under load. Do you think I should return it? It was a nice deal and they're not willing to send another one
Do you think I should repaste it (not being able to return it anymore) or just return it?

 

What is your room temperature?

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Should be around 20 °C, maybe a little less.

 

im having the same problem, this helps http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cussions-lounge.825828/page-116#post-10897604

 

Try to elevate the back of the laptop and also bring down the core multiplier to 38 or 36 on all cores

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I could do that, but I shouldn't have to, right? If other ge75 don't run that hot, I would rather try to get a better one... Or do you all have to reduce clock speeds?

One interesting thing is, that I had the gtx 1070 ge75 with the same cpu and cooling and also with the same undervolting and this unit didn't even reach 80 °C under Cinebench. I only returned it, because of a nice deal for the rtx 2070 one.

 

Those temps are unusual for this model. I'd exchange it.

 

Thank you. I already returned it. Unfortunately they're not going to change it for another one so I'll get my money back. I'll have to wait for another deal I guess Do you know the asus rog Scar II one with the 2070? Could get this for the same money but I think the display isn't as bright and the cooling looks worse...

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Are you lisa from mobile tech reviews? Than you should know what you're talking about I guess, I did the right thing, sending it back...

 

That's me

My review of the Scar II 15 & 17 inch models will be posted today. It does run hotter than the Raider and the display is dimmer.

 

Good to know You're doing the best laptop reviews on YouTube and I'm not only saying that because you're in the room Thank you very much. Than the raider is the way to go.
They're also selling the 2018 razer blade 15 with the rtx 1070 for 1650 € now, which is really cheap. My 2070 raider was 1900 € with 512 gb ssd and 16 GB dual channel ram and I guess it will have better cooling than the thin razer blade and of course better performance as well.

I'll have to wait for another raider deal

 

Thanks for the compliments. Sure, the RTX 2070 MSI will have higher game frame rates than a GTX 1070 Razer Blade, along with stronger Ray Tracing support. But that Blade model is no slouch either. If you mostly want to game, the MSI is the stronger choice. If you want an all around powerful laptop with great looks, the Blade 15 is nice (though the MSI has a better keyboard with more travel and tactile feel).

 

No I totally disagree the blade is going to run even hotter that thing is too thin it won't be able to keep the 1070 cool. He will run into the same issue with overheating.

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My new GE75 raider is stuck at 2400mhz ram speed even though it has 3000mhz ram in it. How can i fix this?

i7-8750h Rtx 2080

 

@pdagal I would game and do some audio editing work with cubase which requires cpu power and ram. Would carry the device around almost every day. Kind of hard to decide between the two devices. The razer has better battery life too but it has a 1070 Max q and the msi one has the full laptop rtx 2070. People are saying that the rtx 20 series on laptops is not that great but I guess it will still be better than the 1070 Max q... Don't know about thermals though. Guess the ge75 should be better.

 

with ~150 undervolt of CPU and cache, my idle temps are about 40 and when playing high-stress games I'll go to 95 pretty regularly. Will try to repaste later this weekend. Love the laptop and the new BIOS/Firmware has boosted CPU performance significantly for turbo in short term uses. Sustained performance is higher as well.

 

I own the Blade 15 with a GTX 1070, and it does not run hotter in terms of CPU core temps and GPU temps than the Scar II. It's casing gets hotter to the touch though, since it's thin and metal.

 

My Scar II review is up on YouTube, and we have several benchmark comparison slides that include the Blade 15 with RTX 1070. CPU performance is similar (as expected), while the RTX 2070 does have an advantage for GPU scores.

 

Thank you. I'll watch the video tomorrow It's very late here now and I need some sleep
Seems that some ge75 come with a really bad paste job. This guy was able to drop temps by 10-15 °C after repasting his unit.


But if this wouldn't have helped I wouldn't have been able to return it...

 

I repasted mine with IC Diamond and core temps dropped by 7C. Generally, for the many MSI gaming laptops I've reviewed, the paste job had been pretty good, but clearly there was room for improvement here. It's a fairly large heatsink assembly, and I think the issue was how even the factory paste spread rather than the quality of MSI's factory paste.

 

Would love to win a device too But it's great, that you compared the devices in some benchmarks. Will be a good help for my decision. I would love to use this machine for 2-4 years and I'm afraid that the razer will be ok for now but struggle in 1 or 2 years... Don't know.

Maybe they're using way too much paste, to a point, where the heatsink doesn't touch the cpu and gpu enough anymore?

Btw, sorry for my bad English. Obviously I'm not a native speaker

 

Same here. Love the laptop but my temps are insane despite a 140 undervolt and limiting ratios. Gonna try repasting as well... which brand are you going with? And whats the preference on thermal paste vs liquid metal? Is it ok to just do the CPU/GPU?

 

"own" not "win". That was a typo I corrected. I had to pay for it, ouch. Yes, there was a bit too much paste on the GE75 heat sink in some areas.

 

Ok, watched your video. One interesting thing is, that it seems to have longer battery life than the ge75? Other than that, the ge75 seems to be the better choice for me.
The blade 15 with the 1070 is a fair amount slower of course, but it's so great looking and easier to carry around. I would carry it in a backpack most of the time though and the msi has a bigger screen too. Not the easiest decision.
The online shop where I bought it, will compare my device with another ge75 in Cinebench and if the other one runs significantly cooler, they'll change it for this one... Let's see.

It seems, like some people's ge75 are running hot and others don't. Kind of strange. Maybe because of bad msi quality controls? Have you guys checked the max cpu Core voltages of your devices? Mine was at 1,15 afer -1,150 v undervolting.

 

I just want to say the blade and even the gs series from MSI, regardless of their compact size they won't be able to keep the components cool and yes it is thin and nice looking, but regardless if you going to use it for gaming then it will not be worth it. You are also paying extra for thin and compact size and the cooling will be no where near a ge75 or ge63.

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But they have a great deal right now, because they're making space for the new 2019 models.
The 1070 blade with 512 gb ssd and 16 GB ram for 1650 €. That's a great deal. Last year they where way over 2000...

But I'm leaning towards the msi anyway because of the performance gain, 17 inch and more space for ssd m2 drives.

Are you the guy who wanted to repaste his device this weekend? I'm looking forward for the results

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Nope, that was another guy sorry...

 

Hello guys, tomorrow i'm gonna receive my MSI GE75 raider 050 from hidevolution. super excited to get my hands on it. can you guys help me to tweak or undervolt the laptop? or let pass me the link so i can check? thanks all.

 

So repasted today with Kryonaut (Thermal Grizzly). Prior paste job on GPU was OK, but CPU looked like it might have been light on paste or maybe off center. It's hard to tell based on things after pulling apart heat sink. So immediate thermals after repaste were substantially lower , like crazy lower, 15 degrees under load. Idle was closer to 35. But after an hour creeped up to what I expected (maybe 5-10c cooler). So, have been running it nonstop under stress tests and temps now seem to peek at 90 vs. always being over 95 and throttling down. I still hit 95 once and awhile during an hour gaming session but then drop back to 90. Before I would stay at 95, down to 94 then a pop to 96/98 and cpu would throttle to 95. Not all games but demanding games like Kingdom Come Deliverance, Metro, etc. Now I haven't seen thermal throttle much at all, if any. Average gaming FPS is up but some of the hard spots (Rattay Town in KCD) still is hit hard and maybe only 1 FPS better. Will be doing some more testing. I've kept undervolt the same and not messed with BIOS. GPU at +145 and +700 on memory. BTW, it's a 2080 dual channel version.

3D mark score of 9904 on TimeSpy now, highest before was probably 9810 or so. But CPU is always at 3.9 ghz so not hitting any temp throttles. FireStrike is around 20700. I'll update again after 48 hour or so of 'burn in'.

I've done repaste of desktops but this was first laptop. Getting the bottom off was probably the hardest part (broke like 6 of the stupid snaps, but they're worthless anyway... kinda). So take your time slowly pulling off that bottom casing. After that it was easy for the most part. Used the pea approach for GPU and stripe for CPU.

Note that my GPU temps were never an issue an always seemed to be in the 70c range, maybe at major stress 80c.



Thanks all!

 

MSI's Dragon center software lets you adjust your charging profile to get better battery maintenance. For example you can set it to charge only when the battery reaches 'X' percent, or will stop charging at your desired level. Check it out.

 

@gkfisher have you undervolted or underclocked a little yet? What are your Cinebench temps?

 

No underclock... that's exactly what I want to avoid. I have under-volt of about 151 on CPU core and cache. Cinebench 1-run with fan on AUTO is around 77-80c and scores around 1240. If I turn on turbocool then same 1-run temp is 70c and scores the same 1240. Multi-run (clicking multi-cpu run over, and over with no break) temps are slightly cooler due to 45watt power throttle kicking in at time. Those subsequent runs scores vary but range from 1175 to 1215 again due to power limit throttles.

I should also note - I have the latest BIOS and firmware but no mods. This made a huge difference for me in shorter term boost. It looks like the time before throttling to 45W has been extended and a few other tweaks have been made.

 

@gkfisher thx. What are your room temperatures? It's interesting, that the cpu during Cinebench is max 80 °C but you're still hitting the 95 in some games.
I know how to update the bios... is there a good video about how to update the firmware?

 

dragon center overrides any undervolt you have set causing you to throttle also so its best to just delete that

 

Just did the bios update and reset all the throttle stop setting starting from scratch, went into the bios and changed all the ac and dc loadlines as well as slope and current levels etc.

now with an undervolt of just -75 im seeing massive temp drops from 90's in assassins creed down to 70's 80's, far cry 5 bencmark usually ran at 82 now its at 75 and went from avg 100ish fps to 110 ...

fc new dawn similar results on temp and about a 10fps increase, SOT tomb raider about 19 fps increase and low temps too.

new bios has worked magic for me.

just wanted to share that if anyone is on the fence.