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There is no module in laptops. It's all a hoax. It works similar to free sync in that way.

 

It's adaptive sync, just like AMD's implementation.
Gsync modules are basically Adaptive sync and some sort of DRM with other features (something to do with latency, the OSD "scaler" features, etc (although gsync monitors don't have hardware scalers)..

 

^ to my knowledge that is correct

 

hey man, sorry I was busy what did you want me to check for you using RWeverything?

 

Ah I just wanted a screenshot of your EC window, with the 256 hex codes. Trying to see if it's possible to "soft mod" the AC power limits somehow (maybe impossible but I can try).

 

can you guide me step by step on where shall I go to get you that screeny?

 

For internal g-sync we need g-sync GPUs. For external it doesn't matter

 

Just run RWeverything, press the ec (embedded controller) tab, and take a screenshot <3 It's the window with all the hex codes. it should say something like 0066/xxxx at the top left.

 

I have seen it mentioned that it's done with software, in any case you can tell the difference when its turned off.

 

Is there a non Gsync 1070? If so a bios update should clear that up. That was the case on my Predator G5 793 with a 1060. No Gsync out of the box. The newest bios at the time stated something about Gsync. Update to that bios and then Gsync was available.

 

Thank you very much! Malwarebytes was blocking access to the site or something. I prefer to use imgur for hosting files.

 

The GT83VR SLI 1070 has non gsync 1070's AFAIK.

 

Predator G5 793 use BGA and not MMX graphics aka graphics soldered on the MB

 

Can someone explain this better? I know what BGA and MMX is, but I don't understand why that's relevant.

I also read in this very thread that there's a non Gsync bios for these GPUs referencing the 1070 MMX.

 

@Phoenix YOU ARE A GOD! i BROKE THE MSI POWER LIMIT!! MORE DETAILS LATER AS I HAVE TO REPRODUCE IT EXACTLY.

 

Is this Bob of all Trades from YouTube? If so, can I PM you with a question I think you might know the answer too?

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Yup, ask away buddy

 

I am sure this was covered, so apologies but I just can't go thru all 817 pages of this mammoth-of a thread.

Question is - if I get a GT73VR with 1070, would I be later able to upgrade with another 1070 for SLI? This would nicely futureproof the laptop, assuming that next gen Nvidia cards won't be compatible.

 

yes 1070 SLI upgrade possible if MSI will accept your request to provide you 2nd MXM card and SLI GPU heatsink and power splutter and additional power brick, will cost you between $700 to $800 in total.

1080 technically upgrade is not possible and MSI will not entertain your request

 

Wait....so they will let you SLI the 1070 but not replace the 1070 with a 1080?

 

You can upgrade to a 1080 if you can 1) find the 1080 card from "another" source, 2) find the 1080 MXM 3.0 heatsink and the VRM sink, as the 1070 heatsink and VRM sink won't fit. MSI won't sell them to you for sure. The 330W PSU is easy to get.

 

Thanks Falkentyne! Good info here.

Replacing/upgrading is somewhat out of the question or at least unjustified. It's cool that MMX is a thing but it almost seems redundant. Perhaps I'm not seeing this clearly? I can confirm the MMX card on this 73vr is a very robust laptop solution with a decent VRM section. So perhaps it's a matter of fitting more of a desktop like PCB in these and the MMX solution provides this?

 

MSI are pagans when it comes to buying parts, wouldn't let me buy a 7820HK mobo because I don't have a 7RE serial number. The disrepect

 

It's MXM not MMX.
And I dont know how much power you can safely draw from the MXM port. Coolane apparently pulled 250W with a super modded GTX 1070, and that's without an auxiliary power connector like the 1080 has. The port can safely handle 150W, as it's designed for that. Anything higher and you're on your own.

 

Okay
Thanks for Explanation

 

This is what I don't understand the infatuation with MXM cards.

Limited upgrade routes
Cost a lot
Too much work

At the end of the day, I'd rather buy another laptop than upgrade a 3-5 year old one. The CPU has a limited lifespan as well and unless you buy a laptop with a socketed CPU, you aren't changing that.

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I think you switched wrong as well JK
It is quickly done, switching on letters. The main point, should/must be that all people around know that there are still alternatives to BGA Junk. More and more BGA out there means people afterwards forget there is better alternatives than welded on hardware on MB!!

 

Not if you want a smaller chassis. I feel like the 1070 should last at least 3 years. After which, I'd rather just buy a fresh notebook rather than spending a grand on an updated GPU that may or may not be compatible with my current set up. I get it though. It's cool to hate on BGA here at the Notebook Review Forum.

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Ok it's confirmed:
RW Everything:

Offset E3:
90: 230W
91: 330W
10: 460W (this will need testing by someone with a GTX 1080, willing to unplug the battery and run on pure AC, to see if you can draw close to 330W without throttling (usually with battery removed, your max power cap is where the battery begins to be drained with hybrid power)

Offset E4: controls whether throttling is active or not. You can turn it off if it's on, but if a throttle condition is already active, it might get turned back on.

For people without modded vbioses running at high TDP's, this will be of most use to prevent all hybrid battery power drain on AC.

 

I am wondering if the GT62VR 6700HQ with 1070GTX pulls from the battery as well in case in the future I decided to just disconnect the battery. The GT62VR comes with a 230W adaptor.

 

Disconnecting the battery will limit max AC draw to somewhere around 150W, or the CPU gets throttled. It could be lower for HQ boards, compared to HK.

 

A nice way forcing people to buy expensive new (OEM) battery after the battery Turbo boost killed the battery The final price tag you paid ain't the fully price in the long run, if you want max power from your notebook. Forced to buy new expensive battery or you lose power is almost same as Scam/Fraud, bruh!!

 

Yea kinda sucks. I am building a desktop too but I like my laptop portability during work related travels. I am wondering If I can do the EC modification to pull 230W without the battery.

 

If your particular model has a 1070 SLI or 1080 configuration, then yes it should be possible.
If not, probably not. Plus you wouldn't even be able to FIND the register without comparing it with a model with a lower spec PSU (you don't want to start changing random EC values, even if you change a read only value that changes and then reverts, you can do stuff like disable the AC Circuit and other undesirable things (even if it's not permanent).

 

Do changes persist after a reboot?

 

It's RAM, so no. You wouldn't want changes to persist after a reboot. Imagine if you bricked something that way?
There is a way to activate it with a script automatically at boot via a batch file, but all I can seem to do is bring up the command editor and then enter the command "wec 0xe3 0x91" manually. It doesn't seem to be loading the command from the RW file for some reason. Probably because I don't know how to swim @Papusan

 

Well - third time wasn't the charm. I left it copying game files over wireless and got a white screen, reboot no video AND clearing CMOS isn't bringing back video. Just like before.

This time they allegedly replaced the motherboard, and both GPUs again. I didn't overclock anything, and Windows auto installed a the new Creator's update - I didn't even open Dragon Center. All I did was make sure that Windows was up to date, installed 7 Zip, CPU-Z and GPU-Z, HWMonitor (which was running at the time of failure), and that was it.

I'm calling this a lemon as they can't fix the issue. If they refuse to replace it with a brand new laptop, preferably not the 6820HK version that is a giant steaming pile of dog ****, I will be taking them to small claims court. It's been 4 months now that I've not had my laptop - it's way beyond acceptable limits.

 

@Arestavo :

Can you try removing one of your two 1070 video cards (remove the one by the HDD slots by the bottom) and then test it with one card only?
Yes that's going to be work, but at this point you have nothing to lose. At least see if it works reliably with -one- video card.

Note: the power cap will change to 230W when you do this, unless you edit the EC RAM.

I don't know if you can also try the 3A or 8A Vbioses on your system, as I don't think the 1070 SLI is gync. I know people using Gsync vbioses on non gsync systems would cause flickering on Clevos, and I don't know if that applies to MSI. If I were in your situation, I would remove the bottom videocard, run 1 card only, do as many stress tests as possible and see if you crash. If you're 100% rock stable, then swap the cards and test the second card (in the primary MXM slot). But you would have to make 100% absolutely sure that you are rock stable on the first card, without a doubt.

Then test the second card with the same fine tooth comb. If you find you are 100% rock stable with the second card, then you KNOW it's an SLI issue of some sort. At that point, I would just cut your losses and sell the card that overclocks the least, and use it as a single 1070 system. You could probably get $400 for the card.

 

No man, I'm done with that POS. They allegedly replaced both video cards twice and the motherboard once - there's no way that they actually let it just sit there while powered on for a couple of hours to verify the issue.

They are either giving me my money back, or a brand new laptop with at LEAST the same specs, or I am going to take them to small claims court.

And for the record, the 1070 SLI does have GSYNC.

 

Ask them to give you the 7820HK model with SLI.
Pretty sure you will get zero crashes.
Although if they would agree to that, you're probably better getting the 1080 version of the 7820HK, going single card, then TDP modding it to 250W

 

Why is that? When it works (which isn't long) my 1070 SLI is actually more powerful than my desktop 1080 Ti that is watercooled and overclocked.

Oh, I am very aware of the failings of two cards running in SLI and the games that don't support it well or at all, but I'm curious as to your take.

 

Main reason is, more parts=more chances of failure.
I like to keep things simple. And yes, the SLI issue with games and non support. I don't want to pay for something I can't use all the time.
Did you see my recent posts? About me complaining about CPU throttling and AC power limits and EC firmwares? Look at my post history. You can see how *I* freaked out. And notice I only started freaking out after I TDP modded my videocard and bought a 330W PSU. I spent good money on that stuff, and then found that I couldn't even use it because of the EC firmware's videocard detection setting absolute power limits. It hurts, as you already saw, to spend money on stuff that you can't use.

I was lucky enough that several things just happened to go right at the same time:

1) MSI having a register which dealt with video card detection and AC power limits
2) That register not being locked down as read only
3) @Phoenix being kind enough to post his EC printout, which got that ball rolling.

Now I can take full advantage of the extra cash I spent.

You know I did my best to help you, and I don't know what the issue is. I don't know if it's some flaw somewhere, if MSI lied and didn't actually replace the cards, or if something else is wrong.
The only other active poster who has SLI 1070's on a Skylake 6820HK is @sirgeorge
Maybe he can help you in some way, as he has the exact same hardware you do.
Maybe you two can compare data and check your videocard revisions and PCI ID's in GPU-Z to see if there are any differences.
If you just want to throw in the towel though, I can't argue with that. I spent a lot less money on extra parts I couldn't use for awhile and was raging about it. I would be more than livid if I couldn't even use a STOCK system I spent that much money for...

 

that's why after my previous Clevo P870DM3 which has 2 1080 GTXs in SLI, and now downgrading to a single GTX 1080 in this MSI GT73VR Titan Pro, I didn't feel like I missed SLI. Other than in benchmarks to get higher numbers, either some games were not optimized for them or didn't support them altogether. That and the SLI micro stuttering just doesn't appeal to me anymore. Single Powerful Card everyday

 

Dies anyone happen to use the oculus rift with this machine and use 3 sensors?

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I have the 6820HK 1070SLI model. The first one I had was one of the first off the line, had scuffed metalwork out of the box, but a golden sample CPU.

It suffered from occasional flicker but that was due to immature mobile pascal drivers at the time and it went away. I changed the refclk in bios and then it wouldn't post. No one knew how to clear cmos without opening it up back then so I RMA'd it.

The replacement has a mediocre cpu that can do 4.2ghz with more voltage and worse GPU'S, their ram doesn't OC as well as but I can still get +300mhz out of that and +180 core.

My laptop works without issues now but I'm certainly not going to get a BGA next time if I can get away with it.

I'd ask for a straight replacement, try to get a 7820HK if you can as it is a better overclocker. That said you're only looking at sub 10% benchmark gains over what a 4.2ghz 6820HK can do.

On SLI I've never seen micro stutter. Most games do support it but there are notable exceptions (VR not yet supported, PUBG, JC3). However even with one card you'll get enough performance for 4K60 with a TDP unlocked card especially.

I only set my TDPs to 150w per card, you'll get another performance boost by letting it go to 200w each. MSI's MXM's have very robust VRM's and their own heatpipe/radiator cooling so they'll take the extra load.

TLDR; get a refund and get the 7820HK SLI, see if you can get a discount for your troubles. Conductonaught the CPU and GPU'S and TDP mod if you're brave.

 

I have it running no problem at all

 

Try it

 

Hey, it's really not proven the batteries fail from battery boost use; I've had batteries in laptops with this boost from battery tech for years and never had a failure.

I haven't seen a single battery failure reported here in a very long time, have you? Has anyone?

Please pull back on the battery FUD and stop scaring people, K?

 

I don't talk about battery failure, bruh More use of the battery means only one thing,bruh... The Battery will wear out before time, Right? Aka Increased battery wear = Yooo bruh, need to buy a brand new battery before you really need, Correct? Gaming without battery on laptops with hybrid functionality means of course reduced performance, bruh Hence you have to buy new if you want to keep up maximum performance or yoo are doomed Or maybe I have wrong?