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    ***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

    Discussion in 'MSI Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by -=$tR|k3r=-, Jan 13, 2015.

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    For those of you running Windows, and have privacy concerns, Destroy Windows Spying for Windows 7/8/10 works well. I use it on my GT80 SLI-263 and Windows 8.1:

    http://dws.wzor.net/

    There are other tools, mostly for Windows 10, but some also work on Windows 7/8.

    Here is a list I found published in August and updated mid-September:

    Windows 10 Privacy Tools
    http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/

    If you run across any other tools, please post the url / info here. :)

    Update: To remove Windows 10 upgrade notifications in Windows 8/7, and uninstall downloaded upgrade cache and files:

    GWX Control Panel
    http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
     
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    What paste do you recommend for the gpu?
     
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    Hi

    [​IMG]
     
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    What is your temps, cpu gpu? Fan booste?
     
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    Yes Fan booste

    Cpu 68°c
    GPU 74°c
     
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    For these high end high power laptops, even with excellent cooling, when you are pushing the OC to the max and benchmarking, you must enable the Full Fan speed - push the button :)

    More cooling = lower temps = more headroom for performance.

    It's worth enabling Full Fan maximum to keep cool during and between runs.
     
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    yes

    one thing I do not understand

    No. My sli stock cpu cpu score Physics 9820
    Enables SLI 86xx

    Strange right?
     
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    Your physics score is lower than I would expect, while your GPU is clearly Prema/Svet OC based high.

    Maybe tune your CPU with XTU for more performance?

    Here my CPU score is much higher, while my GPU OS running stock vbios is lower:
    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10169847

    Please post links to your scores.
     
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    gpu stock

    [​IMG]
     
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    DUDE. I have this EXACT issue with SLI. It's the same on Alienware OR MSI GT80. No idea with sky x9. It's been a problem for years. I noticed it with 880M SLI. It's not a vBIOS issue as it does it with prema or stock vbios.

    It's extremely annoying. Try HWinfo + RivaTuner statistic to OSD the CPU Mhz while running the physics test.

    STOCK GT80 5950HQ before this SLI "bug"

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10581008

    after this "bug" kicks in..

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10589152

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10589070

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10588808

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10585789

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10585770
     
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    Hi all,
    I updated my vbios with prema, i want ti undervolt to get cooler temps for my gpus,
    But when i try to apply changes he just dobt accepts undervolting, but overvoltibg yes :s
    By the way 980m sli, they are running very hot :( 77c and 83 on firestrike ungine heaven etc etc
    I use nvidia inspector to undervolt,

    I start hating my gt80 :(
     
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    77 and 83 aren't very hot - quite usual temperatures.
     
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    But when you see the other gt80, max temps is 76 c
     
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    lol some minor difference not a big deal. especially when u have GPU under heavy load or your ambient temp maybe higher. dont worry too much about it.
     
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    still nobody received their GT80s and try to overclock 6820hk past 4.4ghz yet? ummmm
     
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    I'm considering getting this or a Clevo 870DM, and wondering what owners think. For those of you that own the GT80 Titan what sort of issues do you have? Are you able to run using the laptop display and 2 external monitors?
     
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    None have reported stable OC past 4.0ghz.
     
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    That's weird, I haven't seen this behavior, and I have done lots of Benchmark runs.

    Is it your CPU won't clock above a certain amount? You said to monitor it, what was the ceiling it hits and stays at when the problem shows, and what is it when things are running normally?

    When I run the futuremark benchmarks I am OC'd CPU 4.1ghz (4 x 41x) and GPU +131 +345 ranging a bit higher / lower, but my CPU results are steady.

    Why do you call it an SLI bug? Do you have links calling out such a problem?
     
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    Your CPU @ 3.65ghz is correct for those XTU settings.

    Have you tried OC'ing to 40x on all 4 cores?

    I made my futuremark benchmark runs at 41x all 4 cores.

    I haven't spent time benchmarking since the most recent BIOS/EC allows me to run 42x on all 4 cores, but you might try that too.
     
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    Your temps aren't bad for high load, I wouldn't worry about it.

    Re-pasting likely won't make much of a difference, it will still run warm enough to spin the fans at the same level.

    It's a known limit - you can't undervolt the 980m's.

    But, you can overvolt them; enjoy your Prema vbios to the fullest and find your best OC on those 980m's :)
     
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    as in not enough power? or just crashing cause cpu itself not stable. cause 4.0 is pretty low and thats low grade silicon there..

    imagine tho if msi would put 6700k in this machine, it'd sell like hot cakes lol.
     
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    Those are skylake
     
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    I agree... Why not past 4.0 ghz?
     
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    Maybe it's a heat problem??????
     
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    Hey, does anybody else have a problem with teamspeak where it will freeze every few minutes? It only happened after the RMA where they upgraded my computer to Windows 10 among other things. Does anybody else have this problem? It is extremely annoying having to go into task manager and quit teamspeak every 2-25 minutes. Thanks.
     
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    @ZoOLf is talking about the GPU's, not the CPU, all the 980m SLI GT80(S)'s should perform about the same, with the same temperature range.

    The CPU / GPU cooling is independent in the GT80(S)'s.
     
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    The Skylake 6820HK doesn't clock higher than 4.0ghz stable, at least all the reports thus far, they don't go into a lot of detail, they just say that's the highest OC they could make stable.

    The Broadwell 5950HQ also does best at 4.0ghz. It will run stable at 4.1ghz +60mV, and at 4.2ghz + 115mV, and the higher clocks do extend benchmark scores a bit.

    I mostly leave it set at 4.0ghz, unless I am running long batch jobs then I set it at 35x x 4 as it stays at 35x without downclocking - more effective to start the CPU there than let it down clock from 40x+ - and I get to add -100mV undervolt at 35x too :)

    If you run the 6700K at 4ghz+, it's going to take more power and dissipate more heat than the 6820HK or the 5950HQ, making for more fan noise and a hot keyboard (Clevo).

    You will find the added CPU top end is good for occasional fun, but living with the fan noise after a while at max cooling will grow old, and you will downclock for gaming sessions to the point where the fans aren't quite so intrusive.

    If you really need that extra CPU performance, you can get it from Clevo :)
     
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    If someone whats their 6820hk tuned with Liquid Ultra (I have a brand new package awaiting) and seeing how stable it can be send it to me. :cool: I bet we can get it past 4.0 ghz as long as we aren't bios blocked. No offense at all but I fail to believe it until I see it.

    The 6700k 40x4 I tested in the P870dm-g ran cooler than my haswell at 38x4 with liquid ultra and was quieter. The GT80 fans sound huge compared to the Clevo and the Clevo kept the CPU cooler with ICD.
     
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    While you had the PM870 did you game on it?

    How did the in game fan noise compare to the GT80? Idle vs Full fan?

    I am pretty sure the fans on the Clevo are high capacity and will move more air, but that usually increases audible dB's output too. The GT80 at Full/Max fan isn't loudest laptop cooling I have heard. I would be surprised if the Clevo is quieter :)

    I am also dubious of the reports thus far about the 6820HK being limited to 4.0ghz, but then again, someone that knows what they are doing must have tried OC'ing, but we hear nothing. No articles, no reviews, no posts.
     
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    When I tested the clevo the fans were loud but at full tilt but at a different pitch. Between the two the clevo was quieter on their overclock profile compared to my overclock fan profile on my gt80 and the clevo temps were cooler. At the stock profile the clevo was a bit quieter but the fan profile seemed very consertive on the clevo.

    The clevo is a great machine and I would purchase and will if they get the power issues lined out that I experienced with the 980m sli.

    I agree, with the gt80s 002 there is very little if any testing documented which is so frustrating. I would be willing to help someone or test one if they were willing to send it my way and provide all the answers we want.

    All this new tech is delivered and I feel like I have to continue to wait which is a total bummer.

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    didnt you have your gt80s with 6820hk already? didnt test it yet?


    thats assuming if they use the same heatsink but hey, 6700k will not run any hotter than 6820hk infact it'll be cooler. 4 cores, die is larger on the desktop CPU means more area contact to IHS/heatsink, as long as its delided with CLU, it'll be cooler because higher grade silicon, not some garbage left over used for mobile BGA purposes.


    exactly, i dont think its a heat problem, i have yet to see a review but if they say its not stable over 40x i'd think its not power issue, more like just bad silicon cpu. imagine at 40x it uses 1.4v+ LOL. mr. fox had his 6700K run at 4.8ghz at 1.38v at around 75C thats with delid, theres no way it'll run hotter than 6820hk because level of silicon is just that much different. but then again, i doubt at 1.38v 48x will be enough to pass some of the harshest prime test but for most uses, its more than enough.
     
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    Hey guys. I currently own the new Titan GT 80S 6QE SLI-002, and Nvidia drivers refuse to update. The only one that works is the 354.37 that come with it, other wise it states that I do not have compatible hardware, as seen below. Anyone have any clues as to why this is happening? I tried everything in the forum below and nothing seems to work.

    https://community.futuremark.com/forum/showthread.php?184044-Nvidia-Driver-Problem

    [​IMG]
     
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    I read that entire thread, and then went to the laptop2go site, and was surprised to find they don't have a modified INF file up for Win 10 x64 359.00 yet... that is unusual, it might be there is a change in the files/distro such that they don't have a "hack" for the new file layout yet.

    If it were me, I would drop back to the latest version they do provide a modified INF for, 358.87 is the newest I can find there for Win 10 x64. 358.91 Win 8 x64 also has modified INF available

    Here is the top level:
    http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/200-geforce-r358-series/

    Here is the Windows 10 358.87:
    http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/31842-v35887-windows-10-64bit-nvidia-mobile-oem/

    laptop2go win 10 x64 358.87.JPG

    That is only a suggestion, you can pick the thread that has your OS x64 and download the driver + INF file you want.

    Read the docs referenced from top to bottom so you understand what is changed and why, and how to use their distro drivers - it's a little confusing the first time, but it makes sense the more you do it.

    laptop2go docs.JPG

    If the pre-modded INF file doesn't work for you, try adding the lines they added for you in 359.00 in the other thread. It's possible the modding method is different for 359.00, which is why it didn't work, but adding the lines for previous drivers might.

    Please post what eventually works for you, and when you update to new hacked INF/drivers, and when Nvidia finally puts out a native working driver package.
     
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    Did you notice what TDP / wattage was being consumed by the 6700k package under 100% load on @ 4.0ghz? At what speed 4x cores did the 6700k hit 91w?

    On the 5950HQ I see maximum 47w TDP reached at 4 x 35x 100% load @ 3.5ghz.

    When I said hotter, I really meant drawing more power, generating more waste heat, and I am doubly happy that the PM870DM is dissipating the heat while staying quieter. :)
     
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    What do you think about repasting my gpus with arctic mx-4
    Yesterday on the witcher3 got some 86c on gpu2, thats very high, :(
     
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    Over time I have seen many people use MX4 and start with good temps, only to come back 4-6 months later saying they needed to re-paste again because temps went up, and when they pulled it apart the paste looked like it cooked/dried out.

    The "cool new stuff" is Grizzly Kryonaut non-conductive, and CLU - which is conductive...

    Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. The Ultimate thermal paste? 20:00 starts product info
    http://linustechtips.com/main/topic...-thermal-paste-you-can-actually-buy-it-now-d/

    Grizzly Kryonaut product page
    http://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/16-kryonaut-en

    "Kryonaut uses a special structure, which halts the drying out process at temperatures of up to 80° Celsius. This structure is also responsible for the nano-aluminum- and zinc-oxide-parts included in the grease to compound optimally, to compensate for unevenness of the component (i.e. the CPU) or the heat sink, thus guaranteeing remarkable heat transfer."

    The guys re-pasting every 6 months don't seem to mind, but if you'd rather have a longer gap between repastes, I would find something other than MX
     
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    My first concern now, is to find why i have a high temps, then i want to check if it s my paste, :( so disappointing with those temps
     
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    very quick question, I seem to get inconsistent answers, so pls help, is the 2.5 hdd bay on gt80 sata2? it there any way to make it sata3? using a adapter wire from the m2 maybe?
     
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    The new GT80S, the Skylake model, has a SATA III 2.5" bay. :)

    The GT80S also has 1 less M.2 slot: 2 M.2 PCIE x4, and 1 M.2 SATA III slot.

    The previous models, the GT80's - Haswell + Broadwell, have 4 M.2 SATA III slots, and 1 SATA II 2.5" bay.
     
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    I'm thinking about repasting my gpu and cpu too just can't decide if I should go with CLU or Grizzly. CLU is more effective but it's conductive which worries me that I can accidentally damage motherboard. Has anyone tried grizzly or GC Extreme with this laptop? What was the results?
     
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    Am interested too, as i have hight temps on my GPUs
     
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    I've tried grizzly, CLU and IC diamond on my GS30. My conclusions are that CLU is the best followed closely by IC diamond. Grizzly works fine in my wife's desktop but hates the low pressure of my heatsink and performed poorly.
     
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    Yes I did game on it and the experience was good until the cpu or gpus were pushed, then issues were identified. I could also hit the gpus power limits pretty quickly and cause them to throttle back so they are in desperate need of a vbios. Because of these two issues the gaming experience was better long term on my gt80. I wouldn't expect it to be after the bugs are worked out though.

    The fan noise during gaming was lower along with the cpu Temps were probably on average 10 degree C cooler. I was really amazed at this while being equipped with ICD. The only temp issue was with the slave gpu in the middle it would creep in temps prob due to the bottom not being opened up. I didn't open up the case but I did look and could tell the vents were blocked off. You could tell a large difference in air flow between the outside fans for cpu and gpu master compared to the slave gpu.

    On a side note I would purchase the p870dm today if I knew the issues were going to be fixed. Then again if I did I am sure they would then release a 980 sli version so I would kick myself.

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    Based on fan amps*volts it's most likely going to be along the lines of AW18 -> Clevo 870 --> GT80 in terms of how audibly quiet the fans will be during gaming.
     
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    I want to check my cooling heatsink, but as i dont have now any paste, can i just put the heatsink back without repasting it?
     
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    Very bad idea, you risk having worse temperatures.

    *You can some kind of food condiment that has proven results until you get better paste.

    *Please do so at your own risk, I suggest waiting
     
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