***The Official MSI GT80 Titan Owner's Lounge***

Thank you for digging that up kfxsti, 28c is a great idle temp, do you recall the ambient temp? Right now I am at 71F ambient, and have 32c idle temp with stock paste on the 980m SLI-263.

Your peak temp readings need to be interpreted from the graphs, the number showing is after cooling off from max. But, they look about the same as what I am getting as Max temps for 100% GPU load.

What would you say the temp delta improvement is between original and re-paste on the GPU's?

Did you re-paste the CPU too? Delta?

 

Im trying to find the before Pictures of the temps. It was between 72-74 ambient .
The before temp was around 8-9c higher before the repaste not on the Idle, but under 100% GPU load , and the CPU under 80-90 load.
If you look at the graph you can see max temp on the line graph. Not the actual Number on the Right.
im still looking through pics lol

 

Dude... How about now looking at it.. All those pics are before the Repaste.. Thats the factory TIM on there.. I never uploaded the Pics of the temps After. LOL

ill snap some tonight for you.
I have acquired some copper heatsinks that can be put on top of the GPU and CPU heatsinks. have pondered given it a go in installing. May do that tonight, depending on what my peeps are wanting to play tonight . I am absolutely addicted to Bf4, and Warframe. lol

 

kfxsti, I also think Gelid Extreme or CLU would be a better choice than IC.

 

kfxsti, that's why they look close to my results on stock paste, they are stock paste results

When you get a chance, please post the after pictures

 

yep yep. At the start of this thread we were talking about the extra heat pipe i have on mine and how cool mine ran underload. Like me never seeing a temp above 76c on any of the GPU or CPU.

 

kfxsti, and you also have a single 980m, which helps keep the laptop heat load low.

Pretty sweet

 

Yepp lol . Thats why im waiting on the newer cards. And pray they all fit lol

 

so i should get gield ultimate or clu?

Or just stay stock?

 

Thats up to you man.
I prefer Gelid over anything i have tried. Like hmscott said . Stock isnt all that bad. But we dont know how the 980 is going to run temp wise.
ME personally. I would change stock to the Gelid.
But i change paste after the first day or say on receiving all my laptops. lol

 

Not yet, If you want to use the latest drivers, there is a work around that will simply raise your boot time usage: As soon as you boot your computer, restart before logging into windows. That eliminates the crashing issue until you shut down again. It's a small hassle to pay if you need the latest drivers for now.

It is a small work around until we manage to find what is causing this. I am currently on the latest drivers and the issue persists.

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-r...iewpnt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00S5SM9BW#R1HJZDSQL4HBR1


this guy had sleep issues too... Seems like a motherboard/hardware issue...

 

The sleep issue is really weird, mine stays up for a week at a time and goes to sleep probably a dozen times a day with never any issues waking up. Has to be something connected to it, bios or 5th version maybe. Hope they get it resolved though.

 

mason2smart, my vote is to trust MSI's original design and build, and if you run into temperature issues, return it for another one, or RMA it for warranty repair.

It makes no sense to immediately replace the paste when you don't even know how the original paste is performing.

When you get the laptop, run repeatable tests to log a baseline of performance load vs temperature monitored.

Use that baseline as a measure to compare the results of tests run after making changes. Then you will know for sure if things are better or worse after a change.

You can't get the same quantity / quality of baseline data by letting the vendor do the re-paste before you receive it, and you don't have the experience to do it yourself; I don't recommend learning your laptop re-pasting skills on a $5k laptop

If you *must* get a re-paste done by the vendor before you receive the laptop - if the thought of living with stock paste bothers you, then ask the vendor to run repeatable tests and gather temperature readings run from the same tests before and after the re-paste.

Make sure you understand the tests being run, the readings being taken, and that you have the details you need to recreate the testing on your own when you receive the laptop.

If you don't have that data, you will wonder if you are seeing an improvement, or if that thermal throttling point you are seeing at the limits of OC'ing is higher or lower than stock paste, and just how much of an improvement you got by re-pasting.

 

My vote is to atleast look at the heatsinks.. Upon receiving mine. I had thermal pads not touching correct spots.
Watch your temps. If you don't like it. Repaste.
Unless they are using Shin Itsu or something better.. To me factory TIM sucks wet dog fur.

 

That's why I like to deal with the maker / vendor myself, and not go through a 3rd party. To much finger pointing, shipping, waiting for inaction, until you give up and they get a re-stocking fee and you get wasted time.

That guy wasted 6 months, and didn't get his restocking fee refunded by Amazon.

I can get service directly from the maker vendor, and separate the purchase interactions from the service interactions by getting the laptop from retail, and using the maker warranty directly.

I have had good luck buying retail and by testing on site - unboxing and deciding if it's a go no go purchase before leaving the store, my success rate has been 100%.

I rarely run across a bad device during the in store check, but it has happened, if that had been a mail order delivery, I would have been out time and effort over a longer period of time than driving in to a local shop and dealing with it in real time.

See if your local Fry's, Microcenter, etc will pre-order it for you. Talk to the Computer Sales manager and ask if they are getting them in stock, and if not ask if they will order one for you if you pre-pay.

That is how I got this GT80. I pre-paid, and waited several weeks for delivery in store. I picked it up in store, and tested it for about an hour in the Computer department customer service area. They have a customer work area set up next to their service department.

While I was there I did an MSI BurnRecovery backup to a 32GB USB 3.0 drive I bought in store, ran temperature tests and tested ports, network, screen, etc.

I didn't leave until I was certain I wanted that particular GT80 to take home

It's not always possible to get things locally, and if I need to get something mail order, I do it through Amazon Prime if I can first.

Amazon Prime service is the best, if that guy had used Amazon Prime he wouldn't have had problems getting all his money back. He didn't mention Prime, so I have to assume he didn't order it through Prime services. If that was a Prime purchase, then that is a rare occurrence where Amazon couldn't follow through as promised.

The other thing to remember is Windows sucks. Problems are more often OS issues that seem like hardware problems, especially sleep issues.

Windows stability is a moving beast, one day you are golden the next day an update, patch, driver, application is crashing your system. You need to acquire a nice calm manner to deal with this over the long term, and have a plan of action to quickly get functional again.

And, learn to triage out the most common features / problems, and learn to work around them so they don't interfere with your computer stability. I turn off or uninstall anything I don't need - it takes time to figure this out, and it's a steep learning curve.

Learn not to waste time spinning on an unsolvable problem that actually doesn't matter to the function of what you do.

Maybe my GT80 has sleep issues under Windows 8.1, but I don't know because I don't use Sleep, and I haven't worried about fixing sleep problems for a very long time. I am very happy with that thought.

Good luck

 

What did you use to check the temperature ?

 

ZoOLf, hwinfo64. It's full featured, including hardware inventory, and you can choose sensors only at the start time to only get monitoring. It comes in a both an installable and portable version that you don't need to install, just run it from a flash drive.

HWiNFO64 v5.06 for Windows (Native 64-bit)
http://www.hwinfo.com/download.php

hwinfo64 also has logging that is helpful when trying to decide if peak temperatures are random seen spikes, or if constant high temps are maintained over time.

There are lots of other tools that I use as well, depending on the problem I might want to double check the readings against another tool. speccy, aida64, Tech PowerUp GPU-Z, Intel XTU and MSI Afterburner will also give good readings.

Some monitoring tools don't play well together, run them individually if possible. I usually exit XTU and MSI Afterburner after boot, as their monitoring is redundant to the hwinfo64 I start with Windows.

 

ZoOLf, hwinfo64. It's full featured, including hardware inventory, and you can choose sensors only at the start time to only get monitoring. It comes in a portable version that you don't need to install, just run it from a flash drive.

HWiNFO64 v5.06 for Windows (Native 64-bit)
http://www.hwinfo.com/download.php

 

And how to check it under load? If you have 15 minute to check a used one?

 

Yea but they all charge tax...

 

ZoOLf, first make sure you will be in a place that will let you plug in to AC and allow you time to run tests and monitor results. A network connection through your phone can work in a pinch, but if there is Wifi / Ethernet where you are testing that is best.

Propping the laptop up on the trunk of a car, or a bench outside away from AC power won't give you the environment to test full performance.

I usually use a Denny's, or other 24 hour place to meet in public, with AC power and Wifi. McDonald's, or other fast food places will also work too.

Some retail locations with computer service will often have customer work areas you can use for testing. Be nice and purchase something there before you leave - same with the restaurants, they will recognize you next time and help you find a suitable location to test.

You can tell a lot by running prime95, small FFT tests on all cores. It isn't the most stressful test, but it is stressful enough to get a reading you are familiar with - be sure and run it on other computers first so you know what to expect. Prime95 will run from a flash drive. This may be enough to get an idea if the CPU cooling is good, and if you only have 15 minutes it's a good first choice.

wprime is another one to run portably, no install required, and again make sure you run it on a few other machines so you know what to expect. The long test can take a long time, and the short test is enough to get a speed reading. It's more for performance checking than temperature checking, but it's also a good data point.

Crystaldiskmark 3.04, and Crystaldiskinfo current versions (without ad's / cruft) are also portable and you can both induce load on the HDD/SSD and read the temperatures - and see the S.M.A.R.T. info read from the device to see if there are any problems.

Cinebench is another good portable test, for CPU and GPU. Again, test on several computers and get a baseline set of scores to compare against the laptop under test.

If you have a good internet connection, run the speedtest.org tests and see how it performs. Both Ethernet and Wifi.

Connect up your Bluetooth headphones and play some Youtube videos, or other streaming music/video.

Feel the heat output from the vents during load testing, make sure there is plenty of air volume when at full fan - try the full fan button and check the temps again, compare against auto fan temps.

If you have more than 15 minutes, things are going well and they are amenable to letting you install software for testing that opens up a bunch of options.

Unigine Heaven, Valley, furmark, Sandra, Geekbench, 3dmark, 3dmark11, PCmark 8, etc etc.

15 minutes isn't much time, set up your tools on your flash drive and run through it a couple of times to get your speed / efficiency up, and write a short note of steps to run for the test, you will be distracted by the seller and the environment, so it's best to have a step by step written up.

Don't be afraid to pass on a laptop if it isn't measuring up, but be nice to the seller, they often don't know of problems you find, you can helpfully suggest fixes - or nicely ask for a justified reduction in price.

Easy fixes like blowing out dust, re-pasting, general cleaning are all good reasons to ask for a price reduction. Broken or non-functional components are all good reasons to pass, unless you like fixing broken laptops.

If the price is fair, don't try to lowball, no one likes that, and it will only end up in disappointing both of you by wasting your time.

Go into the deal ready to follow through on the agreed price.

Have fun

 

mason2smart, you are supposed to pay sales tax in the state you purchase from, and it sounds like you don't know this, but you are supposed to declare those purchases that you didn't pay tax through the seller on your state taxes, and pay the tax there.

Here are the rules for Texas, I am sure your parents are aware of this and will help you understand the process.

Texas Sales Tax
Frequently Asked Questions
http://comptroller.texas.gov/taxinfo/sales/faq_use.html

It's easier to pay at the point of purchase.

 

Texas doesn't tax small companies not based in Texas that are online (if I remember right)

 

They aren't taxing the company, they are taxing you the state resident - you are responsible for paying the use/sales tax.

If the online company doesn't collect it and pay your state / local taxes, you are responsible to do so.

Did you read the FAQ?

It looks like Texas is very aggressive in requiring sellers in state collect sales tax:
http://blog.taxjar.com/amazon-sales-tax-in-texas/

 

Hmm interesting to know thanks. At the moment my main reason for using newer drivers would be battlefront (as it refuses to run unless I update my drivers). Although I'm not that bothered so I think I'll just hold off until a future stable version.

 

To be fair I've not tried to very latest ones yet. I was hoping to only update once I know for certain that I won't have the issue. (or as certain as one can be!)

 

What test(s) should I have them perform before/after pasting?

 

One would think that if he was learning, that a simple repasting would not be as difficult as you made it sound hmscott .. especially on a 5k machine. Me personally, i would hate to know that anytime any little issue arrived, that i was stuck sending in my laptop to factory for repair..
.. I have 2 cousins, ages 12 and 14 whom handle all of their PC needs themselves.. They just asked questions and did it all themselves.. Point being made because it was brought to my attention mason2smart was trying to learn all of this.
Again I would open it up and Look. Not only did I have the problem with TIM not being applied correctly and the thermal pads being missing, or not positioned correctly. It has happened from the FACTORY to others that i know..
But you rule the thread.. Just stating my opinion, and what i have seen take place.

 

Quokka, with every Nvidia release there are people that have problems. Check the forum at Nvidia, there are people complaining about every release. But, on the other side of things, there are lots more people using the latest releases without problems. Using the same laptop models and the same OS.

Official Windows 8.1/7/XP 358.50 Game Ready WHQL Display Driver Feedback Thread (10/7/15)
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...whql-display-driver-feedback-thread-10-7-15-/

Look for similar issues to what you see when you load the driver. In this release there are only 12 pages of complaints, that's a pretty low number, it can be over 100 pages quickly, so this release doesn't look bad based on number of posts.

It can be frustrating. I have been on both sides of the problem, fortunately most of the time on the working side, like now.

There are lots of things that can contribute to things not working, including what your settings are (app and OS), what other apps you have running at the same time are doing. It's odd what things I have found interfere.

You can tell from reports what isn't working for everyone. Like when Nvidia drops support for, or breaks, OC'ing - I was affected by that - it broke Asus Graphics Tuning app - but I switched over to MSI Afterburner and was able to continue OC'ing. There are work around's for a lot of problems.

Most of the time you just need to load the new driver yourself, taking it on a case by case basis. It's not a waste of time, because now you know for sure if it works for you or not.

Using Custom => Clean install for all new driver installs helps - you do need to reset your Nvidia control panel settings - they have all been cleared to Defaults, which is a pain to have to go back and re-set, but it's easy.

I have only had to use DDU once in the last couple of years, and it turned out not to help, I still had the problem, but it's good to know it's there in case you want to be sure all the old driver components are gone before installing a new driver version.

Make sure you have a copy of the driver version that is working for you before you install the new driver version, so you can go back to the working one - do a Custom => Clean install for both.

There are issues with all drivers. And Windows sucks, so you may be experiencing something that is aggravated by a Windows problem. If you have good scores in games, and good performance otherwise, but get lag in a video at one point in time - streaming services / apps have problems too - I wouldn't give up on the driver.

Right now, I have great performance with 358.50, but occasionally I get glitches in video, but not at the same time with all providers, just one, then the other, then none of them for days / weeks on the same driver

What I am saying is, the world is not perfect, Windows is far from perfect, and everything is always changing, so don't get all OCD about problems - live with and work around them if you are having good results otherwise.

It's also easy to correlate a new problem with a recent change, even though the change had nothing to do with the problem. I have lots of examples of these, most don't suck me in any longer, but some still do

This last week I updated my BIOS/EC, and worked fine for a couple of days, then I was getting "Freezes" where no keyboard/trackpad input worked and I had to power cycle. Then my keyboard/mouse worked fine.

It turned out it was a flaky battery in my wireless keyboard. Next time it happened I moved the cursor with my built-in trackpad as I was going to press the power button... I changed the battery and everything was fine. But for a few minutes I thought it was my most recent change causing the problem.

Anyway, don't jump to conclusions when you get a new driver, recheck your settings, play with your game settings, and try a bunch of things before blaming the driver.

Also, some games do have problems with new drivers, where most other games won't. If you happen to be playing the problematic game, it can look like the driver is bad for everything, check other things.

Have fun

 

mason2smart, I would ask them what they would use, as it's easier to get them to use what they are comfortable with - they have it installed and use it to benchmark all the systems that come through, so they have a good baseline of temperature info for all their products.

That way they can tell right away if your laptop needs re-pasting, will it benefit from re-pasting? - they likely have baseline temps for laptops they have re-pasted with ICD since they offer it on all laptops.

You can also make the re-pasting conditional. Ask them to only re-paste if they find the temps your GT80 has are too high as compared to other GT80's they have tested / re-pasted.

You are counting on and paying for their experience in doing this work, let them earn it

I would ask for before/after temp readings if they decide to go through with the re-pasting, so you have them for reference as a baseline for your own readings now/later. That way you will know when you need to have it re-pasted again.

And, of course ask them what benchmark/app they used to generate the heat for getting the baseline info, and what settings they used, so you can re-create the test and get the same results for comparison.

 

Agreed

 

the delided 6700k runs pretty cool with CLU + water cooling, 4.6ghz at only 76C.

with 6820HK and CLU, hopefully frequency can go upward at least 45x with a decent temperature. what are the chances this cpu doesn't get a TDP restriction?

 

Chances seem high as off late, but 4.6ghz with water cooling at 76 degrees seem a bit on the highish side, so I think it won't be sustainable on 6820HK. But at the end of the day, those who try are those with a chance to succeed. I don't doubt we will see a lot of people pushing their CPU to see what it can do with proper paste and cooling, even if enhanced by other means.

 

kfxsti, you weren't listening to what Mason was asking for.

Mason wasn't asking how to change the paste on his laptop, Mason was asking what paste should he request to be used to re-paste his laptop from the seller.

Re-pasting isn't a simple task. It takes a lot of mechanical skill and craftsmanship that most people don't have. Most people aren't comfortable with doing it themselves.

It was clear Mason didn't want to do it himself, and for those like him I don't push them in to doing it themselves.

Just because Mason didn't respond to your post, doesn't mean he didn't read it or take it in as an option, he just decided to go another way - the way he was on before you suggested he do it on his own.

That is totally up to him to decide.

Here is an example of someone I helped re-paste over a year. This is the last thread:

G750JX Repaste third time. ;d
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?70740-G750JX-Repaste-third-time-d

I was happy to help, and even though she had so much trouble with it, she stuck with it and eventually got it running like she wanted.

I spent a lot of time helping her and others that came through those threads wanting to re-paste their laptops themselves.

But, I never push anyone in to re-pasting that has never done it before. That is their choice, and a big step for everyone.

Most people just want things to work using the best available knowledge and are mature enough to utilize the expertise around them to get it done.

There is no loss of face or pride from asking others to do what they do best and we don't have the expertise or the time to do ourselves.

Update: Wow, she is still posting re-pasting threads. And, temps went up and she re-pasted again and temps went down. This time 7 months later.

Fourth Repaste! Gosh Blue Lady..
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?77546-Fourth-Repaste!-Gosh-Blue-Lady&p=542039#post542039

 

Just orders the new gt80 002 with skylake and 64gb 2400 ddr4 am I gonna enjoy this bad boy?

 

Congrats on your purchase, you are definitely going to enjoy it.

 

Alienwaredelayed, congrats!!

You tell us!! Please share all the details after you get it!!

MSI GT80 3dMark Scores, test and tune
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-gt80-3dmark-scores-test-and-tune.773245/

 

I got extra copper heat sinks and IC diamond thermal paste and ordered from exotic pc are they good at there manufacturing process? First time dealing with them

 

Yes you will! Just read in your thread that the new AW18 experienced the no-post beeps of hell. Very sorry to hear this after all that trouble, seems like you might be the first to experience the 6820hk/980m GT80s here so keep us filled in. BTW are these models actually released for sale now or was it a preorder?

 

Please stay civil and respectful.
Some posts that had nothing to do with the notebook in question were deleted.

 

So I was checking XoticPC for the G80's configuration and they have alot of options I'm just not sure are necessary.
Things like monitor calibration, IC Diamond Thermal Compound, COPPER COOLING UPGRADE, Redline Boost

There are so many options there and I get confused..
When the GT80S comes out I just want it with 2 (faster) SSDs in RAID 0 for a total of 1TB/512GB and a 1TB hard drive, 6820HK, 2xGTX980, and 32GB RAM @ 2333Mhz..
I don't know what all the other optional things are..

 

They wanted $100 to install a haptics motor?!?!?

 

Just don't be confused that the GT80s-002 is a 980m machine and not a 980 desktop class cards that were just recently introduced. I my opinion just tell them to ship the box, no need to mess about unless you do want the larger drives or more ram on delivery.

 

Is the GT80s available for order or is it still a preorder?

 

asked them if they will do this... awaiting a reply.

 

It's a preorder processor isn't available till 11/2...should have it by 11/10...glad my AW18 went down actually got a lot more for the money

 

Aggreed I just added cooling options and more ram and SSD's a headset ...why don't you think the IC diamond paste is a waste ?

 

I'm gonna get 2 Samsung 950 512GB SSDs, 2x16GB RAM @2133Mhz. that's basicaly a need for me..

What benefits does the "IC Diamond Thermal Compound" have? And what exactly is the "COPPER COOLING UPGRADE"?
From my point of view it's a way to rip-off computer noobs like me.

Currect me if I'm wrong