***The Official MSI GT83VR Titan SLI Owner's Lounge (NVIDIA GTX-1080's)***

Just ignore them, there are always naysayers that find fault instead of taking the time to learn how to find the joy.

It's a waste of time trying to help them see the benefits, as they only see the negatives and use that as a bludgeon to beat the joy out of anything they don't understand.

Now they only have 1 1080 GPU instead of 2, makes it less confusing - simpler to approach - than having a 2nd 1080 to use when it can help.

It's their loss , and their joy

 

Learn how? What do you mean by that?

 

Just like you found out which games support SLI, and enJOY them.

You found the joy and are happy to have the 2nd GPU to full enJOY them.

Much to learn, but youth knows how to find the joy instinctively

https://www.google.com/search?q=learn+how+to+find+the+joy

 

Yeah, I got the feeling you'd do this. Seen it before, many times.

Going in negative looking for justification to abandon SLI, find games that don't support SLI, give up and chuck it all.

At least you got to own the GT83VR for a while, not long enough for the games you want to support SLI to actually eventually get it, but you'll see the changes in multigpu support increase over time, and then you'll be ready to try again.

Remember that life is a moving picture, not a still photograph. Taking an inventory of the SLI / multigpu supported games over less than 1 week and finding fault, ignores the 100's of games that support SLI today, and the growing list that will in the future.

I look at the SLI cup completely full, with single GPU games in a wholly different cup. They aren't to be mixxed or compared, they are independent things to enjoy.

Eshew disappointment and focus on the fun you have with the games that do support SLI. When the single GPU games get SLI support, double joy, if they never do get SLI then there's no disappointment.

Write down a list of every game you get that has SLI support now or eventually supports SLI, so you can remember how sweet they would have been on the GT83VR for the months and years of gaming joy moving forward, while they are single GPU supporting and finally if / when they get multigpu or SLI support.

 

I agree with this, I can no longer back to a laptop without a mechanical keyboard now. I also filled all the empty bays with SSDs and have insane storage, that is also indispensable for me. I look at the 2nd GPU as a bonus, which makes me happy when my games support it. And the ones I play are 100% supported anyway

 

Based on priority, I would prefer to have the following.
1. SSD
2. IPS screen
3. Mechanical Keyboard
4. High refresh rate/G-Sync

 

that thing in it if u open it up, has an adapter or bridge controller.

 

that aint true hmscott, nvidia drivers as of late are pretty bad, especially when comes to sli. game developers know full well how powerful some of these graphics card are and dont proper implement sli or crossfire anymore. theres a reason why nvidia limits 1080 to dual SLI and no more tri/quad sli.

also, fact that nvidia's business practice is complete trash that card would just outdate cause driver update will make new game work better, while old game worse, its been talked a lot on ton of enthusiast forums. when AMD brings competition back to mobile gaming space then we might see some changes.

 

LOL check this out https://siliconlottery.com/collections/frontpage/products/7700k50g
intels 1st optimization brings more than half of their CPU capable of overclocking over 5Ghz, prime example of intel holding it back.

i wonder if the 7820HK would be lot more powerful too, instead of like 4.2 say 4.8ghz if lucky, which would work well with gt83vr bigger CPU heatsink.

 

The design for SLI using the hardware as provided on the cards has hit it's limit, that's why SLI has been limited to 2 devices - to allow both paths through the cards to be used between 2 cards.

Nvidia limited the SLI device count because even using both paths for SLI Bridge it's already a bottleneck for 1080 SLI, not to mention Titan X(P) and forthcoming Pascal refresh.

Nvidia has been having problems with latest drivers, just like Nvidia has had problems in the past with a continuous run of drivers. No different now than in the past, don't use broken new drivers, revert to the previous stable release.

None of your statements give any reason to not do 2x SLI as found in laptops, or desktops.

Just more noise from you for arguments sake.

 

unfortunately what you mentioned isn't correct. bridge was capable of doing 4 titan x just the previous generation and when doing professional work requires more "bandwidth", the bottleneck doesn't happen at graphics level or interconnect, it happens on the cpu side.

anyway, stop continue fooling yourself & others , just like the whole BGA CPU business!

 

I am referring to published tests done with the new High Bandwidth SLI Bridge (HB SLI), and for the games that dip into the additional HB SLI Bridge bandwidth, as the FPS goes up the SLI bandwidth use also goes up.

The new HB SLI Bridge (or 2 original flex bridges) are using all the SLI connectivity available, improving the scaling of 2x SLI greatly increasing the FPS.

Without the "double bandwidth" bridge in those games SLI scaling isn't good, using the full SLI connectivity and adding that additional SLI bandwidth in those games gives huge increases in FPS, some almost reach 100% scaling.

If Pascal 2 x SLI scaling requires that extra SLI bandwidth / path, then that path isn't available to daisy chain a 3rd or 4th card, which is why Nvidia pulled support for more than 2 cards in SLI.

In Pascal SLI there isn't the physical path available to connect additional cards after hooking up the both SLI paths for 2x SLI with the HB Bridge.

It's that simple.

I've posted this video before, I guess you missed it

 

just more noises you have put together to retaliate . why do you think professional cards offers more than just sli where as consumer side doesn't? guess you never thought about that huh

 

Yes, noises from sources backing up what I said 100%

You still haven't given any valid reason to not do 2x SLI in laptop and desktops. Enjoy what we have, no time to mourn what isn't.

You keep trying to spin out of providing support for your position, now by trying to change the discussion from gaming on consumer cards to something else on professional cards. Quit squirming around

Maybe in Volta or beyond we will get a new multi-GPU linkage to further support 3x, 4x, or more card support.

For now we can fully enjoy 2x GPU support in the growing catalog of games that do support SLI and multi-gpu.

 

like like like like :/ more noise

well not like what all of what we said matters to laptops anyway, we will only ever live to see 2 graphics card in it. with over increasing performance in future just 1 card would be enough to power 4k 60fps

 

You and I know the performance will always have new demands, and 2x 1 GPU is still 2x performance - it will always be appreciated.

There has already been talk of a 4k 120hz screen coming out for laptops, so that right there will suck of the performance of 2x GPU's.

SLI'ing the top 2 GPU's isn't the only use, many people get a cheaper GPU and then add a 2nd one later when prices come down. And, there are those that believe 2x the 2nd highest performance card offers the best price / performance opportunity.

So multi-GPU will still be in demand in every future GPU generation - 8k 60hz coming soon

 

yep thats something more so i agree on, i too would prefer 2x gpu over 1, just like @Phoenix however doesnt change fact that SLI isnt as good as it use to be, and for new games means new demands is almost not true. game build off from the new engine, a lot of them are still using old ways to code games. there are A LOT of untabbed performance in hardware if developers know better to fully use them and game would scale way better however that isnt their primary concern in comparison to say, a software thats under server load all the time would need optimization for the hardware.

also fact that nvidia business practice is junk stays true, you use to be able to get full unlocked tier1 or tier2 chip for premium pricing that we pay for (desktop, laptops are cut down due to power and heat restrain), now it becomes tier2-3 or 3-4 chip, cut down of a cut down simply because of no competition.

 

Get a classic keyboard in this massive gaming laptop

 

Just got confirmation from cyberpower pc that the Fangbook V extreme does not come with cherry silver RGB, and that the MX red w/ red backlit stated on their website is correct. However everything else is based on the MSi design.

I don't see an option anywhere in the site that you can buy warranty longer than 1 year.


Still though, with a completely barebones system [no OS, single 8gb stick ram, intel 600p 128gb, non rush order] you can get the system under 3400USD (7820HK / 1080x2). Pretty impressive price cut from the 5099 GT83VR 7920/1080x2.

@hmscott

 

Link to their build page for that model?

 

7820/1080x2 model

https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Fangbook_V_Extreme_VR_SLI_1080K_Gaming_Laptop

 

Wow, looks good: 2x330w psu, cm238 mb chipset, 7920 cpu, old red led only keyboard, lots cheaper - though I would try to get at least 2nd year warranty

 

Oh hey this one they don't up charge you for the 330w power supplies. Looks good.

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I spoke with MSi about an "oem system by msi" and they said that the warranty still applies 2+1 accidental for US customer. But you need to register first as all other msi laptop.


Also you have an option to get a 7820 or 7920 with the 1070x2 or 1080x2.

 

man thats nice, power of reseller and customization.

u know what also would be nice is that one of these laptop with mechanical keyboards (acer21x or msigt83vr) have something similar to the old xps M2010, detachable but mechanical keyboard but with backlit, that would blow me away to have that again. donno if they could do it though, might be patent by dell.

 

Yup, that's part of the original MSI design, a detachable keyboard / trackpad, but it didn't make it into production.

Spoiler: Early GT80 design

There is a small blue line drawing in this image top rightish - where the keyboard is pulled from a tray, this is what I envisioned as working. You need the physical base to stabilize the laptop - keeping it from falling over backwards, and that keyboard tray could work

Spoiler: Small Blue Keyboard in Tray top Right

Both images from this article:
The MSI HQ Tour: Design 101
by Ian Cutress on July 7, 2015 8:00 AM EST
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9416/the-msi-hq-tour-design-101

Lots of fun information from the MSI design labs.

 

yea i think i know which one you're talking about, maybe its not big enough to make it detachable cause the battery had to be under the KB.

 

I was able to get it as low as $3.308 (before taxes and shipping of course), pretty good find.

 

how?

 

Select all the lowest options possible, on step 3, select no rush service. It will also give you a coupon code, apply that at last step and you will get it.

 

That's cheap as heck. I know the hardware is good, but I worry about the after-sales support versus ordering from some place like Xotic or HIDevolution.

 

Hey all quick question , if I overclock the screen on the GT83VR to 100hz, will it degrade any picture quality or shorten the life span/brightness of the panel? I keep my laptops for about 2 years. Thanks

 

as long as you don't get any artifcats in gaming, then no

 

Thanks , what about life span of the panel ? Any short or long term issues ?

 

not on the short term. but here's your answer:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1849081/overclocking-monitor-safe.html

would I do it on my laptop/screen? No

Be smart... be like Phoenix

 

mostly it looks more like opinions - yes you can, no you can't. 50 to 50. only manufacturer can tell the truth but of course he will not do it. who will tell - yes you can use our monitor with 100hz even if we sell it as 60hz. then why it was sold as a 60hz monitor. I tried to "overclock" my 60hz display of the 17'' rog laptop to 75 and I didn't see noticeable or useful difference so I returned refresh rate back. I think 60 is more than enough. on the other hand I read review about new 120hz rog laptops saying you'll never return back tp 60hz or even 100hz after you saw 120.

 

It's a bit of a grab bag for sure, there have been people that have used their original GT80's at OC'd refreshes so far with no issues, so it might be safe to say its safe enough to do over the lifespan of the machine. However you do have to look out for small imperfections that can vary screen to screen that can affect your doing so.

As for the benefits that is to person to person, I myself am sensitive to motion so to me if I push my screen from 60 to 75 or 95, I can pick up and be quite happy with the results.

 

Shouldn't that be:

Be smart... be like "photonboy" ?

 

Panel's go out, blink, gone. I assume, right? How else would they go out??

But, none of the panels I have OC'd to higher than stock 60hz have had a problem, of any kind, for many years now. So.... IDK.

Can anything be concluded from that single report of multiple successes? IDK.

Who's gonna test that, or collect the data? And then, how would those results apply to any panel other than the ones that were tested? IDK.

Do it, don't do it, but if ya can't sit still or relax and enjoy your laptop with it running at 100hz when it's *supposed* run at 60hz, then don't do it. Right? No ones twisting your arm to do it.

Same for OC'ing. It's not a guarantee it's not gonna kill your CPU or GPU. Anecdotal evidence aside, 100k's of people reporting success OC'ing, there might be a few that have dead CPU's and GPU's from OC'ing. Or there might be none.

Give it a shot, if you don't like it, you don't feel comfortable running with it OC'd, then don't do it.

But, for those of us that are doing it, allow us to enjoy it without hearing "your ****'s gonna die man, mark my words, down the road it's gonna crap out on you!!"

 

Be smart... be like hmscott.......

 

Thanks man, but it doesn't have quite the same ring of authority as "Phoenix" or even "Photonboy"

 

Laptops with 120hz 4k...what, where?

 

new asus rog g701. but it is not 4k. still 1080, which I think more than enough for everything smaller than 27''. if i'm right 24hz - is a maximum frequency which human eye ACTUALLY can notice. ok, let it be 30. just in case multiply it by 2. so we have our 60hz. everything higher than that is a pure marketing bs. imho. which actually can mean that "original" 60hz panel was so bad in some sense that "120"hz panel can beat it by some quality improvement. I can see that.
the problem with rog is that I still think that 18'' is so much better than 17'' that I can forgive 60hz, and asus g800vh is (to put in a polite form) a little bit unreasonable, asus rog g800vi would be perfect but asus killed it on some reason so msi has a winner

 

That's not how human eyes work, FYI. 100Hz is easily noticeable compared to 60Hz, and even more so compared to 24.

 

It was rumored middle of last year, some site listed it and insisted it was coming, can't find the post now but it was in the Clevo forums.

There was one such display for desktop announced, impossible to get, around the same time:

Dell surprises with its new 30-inch 4K 120Hz OLED display
By: Anthony Garreffa | Displays & Projectors News | Posted: Jul 8, 2016 1:48 am
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52937/dell-surprises-new-30-inch-4k-120hz-oled-display/index.html

 

problem with these 18inch 4k or 120hz display is theres not enough market out there, and tbh whoever is making them for ASUS's GX800 should just share with with MSI, that would also drive the cost down on ASUS's machine too instead of their "exclusive to ASUS". great concept water cooling too bad literally everything in it is soldered, will never buy that.

i can see why Acer 21x is so costly.. curved, ultra wide and 21 inch.. LEL. gotta admit i think it looks very cool, even better than MSI TITAN laptop but i would get titan over it just cause of the internal hardware.

 

I'm rather curious. Isn't 24 inch the second most popular screen size after 27?

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yea but thats for desktop. for "big" laptop, mainstream is 17 inch apparently and everyone is too scared to go larger except a few. laptop display also have to be made separately as desktop designed the power draw is straight out of wall socket, and external connection etc, where as laptop its all internal and have to be able to run off battery power.

 

True. I was thinking my 18 inch laptop isn't so bad...I could do 24. Lol

I'm sure that would be a decent "full sized mobile workstation" lmao.

I was thinking of putting something up like that in 2016 and beyond what we want to see.

Do monitors share any aspects? E.g panels or is it just straight up different ways of manufacturing?
I would assume that the panels would be the same and the back end would handle inputs and power conversions.

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