Breaking News: MSI GT60 3K Edition!!!

There's always an Asus 31.5" 4K monitor to satisfy your 4K cravings at a measly $4,000

http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/4/4394294/asus-4k-monitor-price-release-date-and-retina-compatibility



Asus hasn't confirmed an exact launch date for the device, all that is known is that it will launch some time this month(June '13).

 

Just saw this!
HARDOCP - Intel’s Thunderbolt 2 Doubles Bandwidth, Enabling 4K Video Transfer & Display

 

Look at the screen information. Its an 1080p EIZO panel they hooked up to the GT60

 

Holy crap.
Look at this video. First Linus is looking at GT70. Then at 2:34 he moves on to the GT60 3K edition. Can you spot the insane difference in colours and vividness? That 3K display is looking pretty awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmCChbt06JM

 

LOL @ Cloudfire. You can't tell the difference from a YouTube video. The first is a matte, the second is glossy, that is the difference you can tell. I am certain in person it is visibly different though.

 

A 14" and a 15.6" Sharp IGSO notebook panel are being shown at Computex are 3200 x 1800 resolution and appear to have a double connector.

Sharp shows off 14-inch and 15.6-inch 3,200 x 1,800 IGZO panels (eyes-on)

Fujitsu is using the 14" 3200 x 1800 in touchscreen notebook being released on June 28th so the MSI with it's 2880 x 1620 is a bit less resolution.

 

Trying to weave some meaker magic on this one. Please stand by

 

Heh...do your thing Meaker and see what you can come up with

 

No Meaker, you can't have mine.

 

Difference being is that you're not planning on AAA gaming on the Fujitsu.

 

Gaming at such insane res and small screen makes me scared hahaha. Too many pixels, too small size, too much rendering power needed.

It's certainly nice to see higher resolution notebooks appearing finally, but man we need a couple more gens to run things at such res while laughing

 

We need Geforce GTX 10000m with 10,000 cuda cores and 2,000 bit to run these resolution smoothly with first person shooter games.

 

I see this resolution being more useful for workstation work than gaming. Being able to edit and view a 1080p video at native res while having your toolbars and such on the screen simultaneously seems to be more useful to me than gaming at that res (especially on a 15" screen).

 

Yeah, I have actually dreaded the day that 4K screens become available. Wintel machines are just not quite ready for that, especially on the gaming front. I would LOVE to have that kind of real estate for desktop work though. 1080p is barely enough as it is. The nice thing is that you could run games at 1920x1080 or 1440x810 (half res - wow what an odd resolution) and likely wouldn't even need AA because of the fine resolution of the LCD. Now all we really need is to change GPU technology to scalable ray tracing instead of triangles! That way it doesn't matter the resolution.

I still say give me Maxwell 880m SLI in 17" with this resolution and it'll probably manage games fairly well.

 

I think a 780M at 1050mhz core, 1750mhz memory (almost twice the bandwidth of a 680M stock and +60% of the shading power) should be able to handle the res.

 

That's a bit faster than a desktop GTX 680.

See this: The 4K Graphics Card Shootout - Bright Side Of News*

"Running Battlefield 3 at High settings at 4K resolution, the HD 7970 got an average FPS of 33 FPS with a minimum of 26 and a maximum of 45. At this resolution and these settings, there was absolutely no noticeable lag and the game played like butter. The GTX 680 didn't do much worse with an average frame rate of 30 FPS and a maximum of 45 and a minimum of 18. This also played smoothly for the most part, but there were a few instances where a short bout of lag could be noticed."

"At Ultra settings, the disparity between the GTX 680 and the HD 7970 actually narrowed on paper with the gross exception of the minimum frame rate. The HD 7970 came in at an average frame rate of 22.95 FPS while the GTX 680 had 21.77 FPS. Admittedly, the difference is only 5% here, but there is still a bit of a performance edge. The story is essentially the same with the maximum FPS with the HD 7970 edging out the GTX 680 with 39 FPS to the 680's 37 FPS. The real shocker here, though, is the minimum FPS. The minimum FPS is really what affects the visible lag and overall gaming experience the most. The HD 7970 had a minimum FPS of 14 while the GTX 680 had a minimum FPS nearly half that, at 8 FPS. As a result, when playing with the XFX HD 7970 versus the NVIDIA GTX 680, the HD 7970 experience in Battlefield 3 was simply better."

Only one game, but still an idea of what to expect. Minimum frame rates were well below 30, but that's 4k not 3k.

 

The minimum frame rates would be helped by the 4GB of faster ram and the lower res.

 

Talk about catching Alienware with their pants down hahaha, I've been saying it for a while now that MSI will be the industry leaders when it comes to innovation.

Can't wait to see a review of this laptop!

 

When will this be available?

 

I just noticed Notebookcheck is claiming the 3K edition launches in July. There is also going to be a 3K Dragon Edition:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Launches-Updated-GE-GT-and-GX-Notebooks.93595.0.html

 

So do you think MSI america should bring this over guys? Anyone feel like they would lay down the money for these bearing in mind the cost of the dragon 2 extreme.

 

I would love to have one but my wallet says no.

 

Just saw this. Finally they're stepping up in resolution, but the laptop itself is far too underspecced to drive it.
Gonna wait for Alienware to pick this up, or maybe HP with the professional series.

 

For gaming you can just halve the resolution, which is 1440x820. Much easier to drive.

 

Nah, if you lower the details to high instead of ultra and go without AA you should be good.

 

First of all, go read a GTX 580 review. GTX 580 can play the clear majority of games with 1600p. GTX 780M is pertty much a GTX 580 in performance, although GTX 780M might beat GTX 580 in 1600p resolutions because GTX 580 only have 2GB VRAM. GTX 780M have 4GB to work on. Once you go up in resolution and put on AA you hit the memory more.

Second of all, can`t play Crysis 3 in 1600p with 8xAA? Fine, just lower the settings down to 2xAA or use FXAA. And whoila you can enjoy the game in full 1600p.

Third, if there is a game in the future the GTX 780M can`t play in 1600p, just lower the resolution. The screen can output more resolutions you know...

Forth, with a 3K screen you get to enjoy all the other visual goodies: Movies, photo editing, share the notebook with your friends because the screen allows views from the side.

You people should thank MSI for finally breaking the 1080p plague thats been bothering notebook users for far too long. 1080p was beaten with this generation graphic cards for sure. The only sensible thing is to step up. Which MSI have now done. Now lets see if the other OEMs follow or if they still have the head in the sand.

 

Once tweaked the 780M should perform like a stock 4GB 680 desktop with more memory bandwidth.

 

All I care about is the screen. I'd rather them sell it completely barebone.

I won't buy it if the only option is a maxed out prebuilt.

 

I hear ya. I hope they offer more SKUs than only with 4930XM. The CPU cost over $500 the price of a normal Haswell that would have been more than powerful enough for 3K.

 

That's also what I'm hoping. Fingers crossed.

 

Great news :hi2:

Sweclockers, a highly reputable tech site is saying that GT60 with 2880 x 1620 display will cost $420 more than GT60 with 1080p display, in Sweden.
This means that SKU without the very expensive XM CPU is pretty much confirmed since with that included, it would have cost $1000 more, not $420.

Since Swedish price is a little bit more expensive than US price, we are probably looking at a $350 premium for the 3K display. I`d pay that premium in a heart beat

 

I'd pay that too.

I paid $95 just to get a higher quality 1920x1080 screen.

 

It's an upgrade every one should offer IMO.

 

It won`t be an upgrade, because the motherboards you find on normal GT60 can`t output this high resolution.
So its a standalone notebook.

 

I want to see some game benchmarks of this screen vs the same config with the 1080p screen. While I think this screen is going to be awesome, I also want this laptop to power my games for 2 years around ultra/high settings. And maybe I'll change the CPU to the MX series and if possible any GPU upgrades after that.

 

and we all know how bad an LCD looks running non native. which defeats the point. so you cuuud .. but you wouldn't.

I agree with this in principle but the screen is still only 15" so your head has to be closer as your friends windows, movies are also smaller even though they fit well in their own native way.

hold up, one thing... your talking 'desktop speak' in a notebook forum

1080p on a 24" monitor isn't amazing but its certainly not terrible. On a 15" even though you sit a few inches closer ..1080p becomes very nice indeed and some claim too small ! So your '1080p' plague means nothing. In fact the plague we suffer from is 16:9 and correct me if im wrong but the MSI is still 16:9 ?? a 16:10 aspect and 1200p on a 15" would of given a better ratio and 300K more pixels.. perfect for this generation.

Was it now? again your talking 'desktop speak'

GTX780 top level GPU $$$$

Metro: Last Light ------------ Ultra 35fps
BioShock Infinite ------------ Ultra 46fps
StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm ------------ Ultra 40 fps
Sim City ------------ Ultra 40 fps
Crysis 3 ------------ Ultra 29 fps *
far cry 3 ------------ Ultra 30 fps*

Other games..

Assassins creed 3 ------------ Ultra 42 fps
battlefield 3 ------------ Ultra 58fps *

not one of those games breaks 60FPS in ultra. Now i hear you say, drop AA (i agree) , drop some shadow quality (also possible) turn off HBAO, textures lower.. where do you stop? when does it become 'medium' when do your extra pixels make a game look like a wireframe with lots of pixels vs a lower definition image of a perfect graphical representation? its all about compromise.

So, although its 50% pixels more that doesn't mean 50% performance drop, due to sky boxes and not much going on there but typically it is 35% in performance so that's making a lot of games run (on a single GPU laptop) at less than 20 fps !

1080p is fine for 15" and its pretty damn good for 17" the fact that the screen looks very good is most likely as it was designed for graphics and has a high color gamut.


No. Give me 16:10 1200p @ 120HZ :thumbsup:

 

I see a lot of jelous replies in this thread lol. The gt780m 4gb will surely handle the resolution well enough at maxed out settings even with the current fresh drivers and even no overclocking involved. This will overshadow any other gaming laptop including mine but next year im sure the ultra resolutions will be introduced on most gaming laptops igzo display has 3200x1800! Maybe samsung will release 3200x1800 gaming laptop with 8970m and a haswell, Affordable.

 

@phill:
I said one could use FXAA instead of disabling the AA alltogether. FXAA looks almost as good as MSAA but is way less demanding
So all your games you listed can easily be beated at 1080p with a GTX 780M with looking just as good. So you don`t sacrifice anything while still enjoying higher resolution gaming. Something in your list is exaggerated, 29FPS for GTX 780 with Ultra in Crysis 3? LOL, the 780M can do that FPS with 2xSMAA and 16xAF. What are the settings you listed? 8xAA? Add FXAA instead of SMAA and the 780M will have high FPS.

Go look up the game benchmarks from Notebookcheck. GTX 780M can play all games in 1080p with regular AA and SMAA.

" 1080p is fine for 15" and its pretty damn good for 17" the fact that the screen looks very good is most likely as it was designed for graphics and has a high color gamut."

That is your opinion. We have reviewers which have used these 3K screens that say it blows all 1080p out of the water. Im sorry, but I trust them more than you. Gaming is just one aspect, you can still enjoy the screen in many other areas. There are rumors that this screen will be IPS screen too, so it might offer both good gamut and higher resolution.

I`d say yes to 1200p and 120Hz too. That we finally move on away from 1080p screens, that is what I want.

 

60+ frames-per-second is ideal, but 30 frames-per-second isn't terrible.

Games are definitely playable at 30fps.

 

Depends on the game, not so great for a fast paced FPS but fine for an RPG.

 

In the end we need a reasonable PPI. Throwing out higher resolutions is not ideal on it's own. GTX780m is a very powerful GPU, but it is an unnecessary resource hog to try playing on such high res, and max settings. It can play them, but surely the performance hit will hardly be worth it over full settings 1920x1080. Specially at 15inch. Personally, high resolutions are better for when using multiple monitors. Basically something that covers my field of view completely

It's definitely a magnificent screen though. Regardless of res, it seems to be of very high quality colors/contrast/angles etc wise. I still want one of those 3k screens even if I prefer 2k ahaha

 

Not sure why there are so many complainers. We are now heading towards complete resolution independence where you can run any res you desire with little to no side effects of running a non-native res.

Run your games at 1080p as you do currently and then when you need to use Lightroom or Premiere you have a stunning display to do so. Win win I say.

I owned a rMBP for a short while and the screen was incredible. PCs are catching up at last.

Now all we need is this screen in a GS60 Stealth. Yes please.

 

I dont even know where to begin with this...

this is a gaming laptop. for games. that you game on. There are other same priced workstations (which im sure will soon receive this screen) that can be used for Render / CAD / Graphic design using firepro cards.

Games look better at higher refresh rates and lower latencies. 30FPS isnt really acceptable apart from when your trudging around at walking pace, even then a large open area could drop you below 30fps.. so effectively you need GPU headroom.

Your example screen is a RMBP ? so how much Latency does the inbuild hardware upscaling incur per frame? were talking about a game playing well and competitively here not just a slide show with lots of pixels.

 

I just hope they make a GT70 with higher resolution than 1080p too.

Alienware is said to have IPS screens in the upcoming notebooks. Hopefully they and MSI will put pressure on the industry to put better screens out there

 

If you think that then you don't need the extra pixels

FXAA is similar to the filters you put on a SNES emulator to stop the 8bit pixelation, its a whole screen blurring effect and it looks overall horrible. They use it now due to two things a.) laziness as it takes an age to map out AA target points b.) modern engines with their advanced lighting techniques under dx11 struggle to handle proper AA in the same way you would see a DX9 game with lesser lighting handle it fine. In many cases the only way to do it is to supersample which looks incredible but takes each edge and x4 up-samples the data renders it at 4K resolution and then downsamples to 1080p in realtime per frame ! So as it stands running proper AntiAliasing on a 3k screen is out of the question right now, FXAA,MLAA is out of the question. If you want a High PPI and insane crisp graphics then why on this fine earth would you smear the pixel itself ???

This screen will look incredible, nobody is against it as there is a choice for 1080p still ( where is the 120hz?) but you have to accept that a 780M isnt going to be maxing games at this resolution.


*ohh and as an aside. Your starting to hear a lot of this media babble about how 1080p is conquered ! yaay.. we are saved please sell us a 3k / 4k TV now as 3D flopped.

Go RAYTRACE a scene in real time of any game from 10 years ago at that resolution.

 

I haven`t said anything about GTX 780M maxing 1600p. I said it could play most games there just fine. The newest games you can lower settings or go down in resolution. Or use FXAA instead of SMAA.

I have played with FXAA, I couldn`t find anything horrible about it.

Also, GTX 780M overclocked, will do pretty good in 1600p because you basically get a GTX 680 with the great memory bandwidth since we now have VRAM that can do desktop clocks

3D flopped btw. Didn`t do well in the market.
120Hz is nice in 2D mode though. Its nice to actually see the extra FPS over 60FPS. The smoothness.

 

Agree

dont get me wrong if they did one in 17.4" or 18" so i could discern the extra detail available it would be high on my purchase list. A lot of newer games i might like to play would look awesome but in a year from now they wouldn't be on high or ultra

one example I can think of is the witcher 3

An SLI or Crossfire capable machine would suit this :thumbsup:

 

I totally agree iaTa. If people don't want the hit in FPS then don't buy the laptop or buy the laptop and use an external 1080p monitor. I am glad that MSI is finally offering a higher res monitor than 1080p because this means other manufacture's will more than likely start doing so to compete. I do more than just gaming and this is the deciding factor for me against other brands this year.

Last time I checked there were plenty of other MSI models you could buy this year with a 1080p panel

 

The ips display would be awesome for movie watching.

Part of me wonders if this model is optimus at all. All of the external monitor connections must be wired to thr gpu for nvidia surround gaming support.

 

Not sure what your point was there.

Just because it has a GTX 780M and some spangly buttons doesn't mean it's only used for gaming.

Regardless I've already stated that you can run any resolution you want so why not have the best of both worlds? Run games at 1080p and Windows desktop at 3K.

Resolution, AA, engine, shaders, textures etc etc are all far more important than refresh rates once you get above 30 fps.

rMBP - zero HiDPI scaling latency when running at native res, bootcamp or HiDPI switched off.