Breaking News: MSI GT60 3K Edition!!!

you don't read things so this is going to be difficult..

Your referenced a Mac book retina ? The designers knew that scaling resolution on an LCD was a very tricky thing to do. The icons, text need to look almost if not the same as its own native resolution. They implemented propitiatory software and hardware scaling algorithms to allow for the 'up-scaling' to work properly.
So when you saw a good image on the Retina it was because there was some trickery was going on behind it all.. which if you read my point means that a frame latency penalty happens and your games not only don't look 'quite' native crisp but also you have mouse / controller lag to screen.

running non native resolution on this screen means what? did they go to Apple and lend their scaling technology ? My key point is your applying your experience with UHD on a totally different platform and hardware.

Yes... but then we are back to square one with the performance hit running native

-- a nonsense statement, they were already important

This is classic.. so you advocate running Skyrim at 800 x 600 ? again if your answer is "no run it at 1080p" then my points were made above .. it will most likely look bad scaled out (i might be wrong with this screen its just my experience with about 50 different LCD screens is that they look bad not running native) but you still need to use the scaling software to introduce latency anyways.

but 99% of buyers will as its sold as a GAMING laptop. it is for games.


and finally what is the point of upscaling on your glorious 3k screen if you lose image clarity.




This Laptop Needs the 3K screen like and Alienware needs more lights. Give it SLi or Crossfire then we are in business :thumbsup:

 

I guess its up to me again to show what the 780m is truly capable of...

Also while not guaranteed you may very well be able to slot in the next gen cards and keep on running a very nice package.

I doubt a 4.4ghz haswell will slow down the next gen or two

 

how soon will you have access to one?

 

Oh, you won't be the only one Meaker, trust me I hope we can achieve monster performance! Any updates on the vbios?

 

Wow where do I start. You are seriously confused.

Firstly I think you should go and read about HiDPI and how Apple implemented it on the rMBP. Games do not run in HiDPI mode, neither does Windows/Bootcamp. It is not a hardware function it is an OSX software function. It really has nothing to do with what I am talking about.

My original statement was that we are now heading towards resolution independence. Pixels are getting so small you are able to run games in a non-native resolution with little to no noticeable side effects. This is without any HiDPI scaling trickery as I have previously mentioned. The panel doesn't need 3K at all, especially when gaming.

99% of buyers will be gamers that will only game on it? Absolute codswallop. Movies, photos, web browsing, reading/writing, communications etc etc will ALL benefit from the 3K screen in a Windows environment.

 

Some movie will benefit, some may get worse if scaling is not done right. web browsing, reading is hard to judge. Anyone with 15" 1080p complain text not sharp enough?

 

I'm not a fan of scaling because it isn't always perfect, and prefer to leave things untouched. I do think that the high DPI of the rMBP is absolutely fantastic when implemented properly. Native OSX apps work great, but 3rd party apps often don't and leave things too small to be usable IMO.

FWIW, I find a 13" 1080p screen sitting on my lap "just browsing" to be uncomfortably small and have to zoom one or two steps (from 100% to 110% or 125%) in Google Chrome to bring it to a comfortable level. My mom has a 17" MBP and 1920x1200 on the 17" is perfect IMO, but the GT70 is a bit too big for me to carry around daily so I'm going to go with the GT60.

 

No movie will look worse when we're talking about such high resolutions even with basic bilinear upscaling. Switch to lanczos, spline, or jinc upscaling or a 4K movie and you will definitely see the improvement.

Web browsing and reading is not hard to judge at all. Have you seen one of these high resolution screens in person? Everything is tack sharp which makes going back to 1080p very hard to do.

I switched from the rMBP to a 1080p 15.6" panel and the difference was night and day. It made the Clevo screen seem incredibly pixelated and low resolution which is why I'm looking forward to these screens hitting PC laptops at last.

Once we get 4K screens in laptops we will be able to pixel double (or 200% DPI) 1080p which will mean the same sized Windows UI elements and text but everything that is DPI aware will be super sharp.

Hopefully that's not too far away.

 

Do you have any info on such remark about gaming on non native resolutions having little side effects? I ask because it is, as you put it regarding rMBP vs generic 1080p screen, night and day.

It is a similar effect to what you describe with movies looking worse. Gaming at 1080p and then upscaling tends to demolish image quality, depending the differences in resolution.

I played with a rMBP. The screen indeed is beautiful, but it did not stand out to me, when coming back to my 1080p screen, as that much of a difference. I still prefer my 15.6 inch at 1080p res, mainly for the actual native realstate. Using ultra high res, only to then increase DPI to have a sharper screen, is not my cup of tea I like using native, at full native all the time!

 

Yes personal experience of owning such a screen and using it for a whole range of tasks. You can also checkout the numerous forums discussing the rMBP.

The difference between 1080p and 3K is very obvious in Windows or OSX with lots of static 2D content with sharp, high contrast edges. The PPI of these screens is not yet at a stage where this sort of content can be displayed at a non-native resolution without being noticeable.

However 3D games are quite different having constant motion, textures, shaders, AA, few static high contrast edges etc. Yes you can sometimes still notice that you are not running at a native res but the pixels are so small and there's so much going on that it's almost indistinguishable from using a standard 15.6" 1080p screen. I have first hand experience of this running games in Bootcamp on the rMBP at 1080p. As screen resolution and PPI increases further this will become even more apparent, especially for static 2D content. True resolution independence.

Not sure why anyone would not want to run a 15.6" 4K screen at 200% DPI. Everything will look identical size wise to a 1080p screen yet DPI aware apps and Windows itself will be as sharp as magazine print, with no negative side effects. Non DPI aware apps will look identical resolution wise to 1080p as they will simply be pixel doubled. Also I think you misunderstood my previous post - I meant that movies will not look worse.

 

Doesn’t increasing the DPI reduce the effective overall real estate of the desktop? Either way Windows 8 is supposed to scale DPI properly but that doesnt apply to all apps for example.

8 million pixels wasted in a 15.4" screen ! TWO TITANS / OC'd 780GTX are required for decent 4K gameplay.. $1400+ of cheaper desktop GPU cost to run the same FPS.. $2000 laptop gpu's?

See here lies the problem. Your talking about a 3K screen but its attached to a gaming notebook with a single GPU, ironically gaming will be the only thing that benefits (not in FPS terms of course) from the extra available texture definition. YOU, maybe happy to buy a noisy gaming notebook to surf the desktop at 3K but most will want Monster FPS rates on High/Ultra. I do want a 3K screen but only if its attached to a DUAL GPU setup so we can play our games at top settings for the next 4 -5 years .. after all if the standard version is £3,330 ! (( $4,000 ?)) then what will the 3K version Cost! what would a dual GPU + 3K cost?

Does software not interact with the hardware all of a sudden? I didn’t mention a hardware video converter specifically.

As others have said 1080p @ 15.4" is easily sufficient and allows for games to run well with top hardware. Notice how quickly frame rates drop off as you jump away from the very highest $600 cards on the market? Also as ryzeki and Wattser93 just mentioned scaling looks awful and quite often doesnt work properly ! so your super crisp experience will look jaunty and out of line.

3K and 4k are all well and good, i would have a 39" ASUS 4k monitor in a flash.. because i could appreciate the extra pixels and it would be good for CAD / Design. But besides what the tech media may tell you.. 1080p ISN’T mastered yet, you don’t master a 'resolution'

 

You clearly have zero understanding of this subject so I'm not sure why you are even commenting.

Regarding Windows DPI settings read my last post.

You do not have to run games at native res on high PPI screens. How many times have I got to say this for it to sink in? Scaling does not look awful on these screens and as PPI increases further it will become imperceptible.

Not sure why you don't just stick with a VGA laptop. Who needs progress.

 

Your clearly arrogant and believe your experience with an apple laptop gives your views precedence over everyone else, its not that i dont value your own opinion its just your strange obsession with 3k / 4k / 8k /16k until add infinitum without addressing some of the finer day to day points like ... effect on performance! For whats it worth I have worked with TFT-LCD technology for many years and just about anyone you care to ask knows that LCD technology is not like CRT or Plasma in that its very poor at displaying non native resolution. I have seen it done well.. but i have never seen it 100% imperceptible from the native content .. have you?

see above .. for many (perhaps apart from you) they DO want to run there games at native resolution .. hence the beefy GPU.

And out that comes again. Its always the same, if someone wants to challenge a new piece of technology in order to reveal its true meaning or ability they get labeled and insulted as someone who wants to live in the dark ages


3K is good. But the sensationalist nature of this new discovery needs some perspective about how it could be bad too.. isn't that what a forum is for ?




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Anyways enough derailment ...


Back to the Screen in question, I would be interested to know What the black level of the screen, The contrast, Color accuracy, GTG time, etc... is like

 

The next laptop gpu will likely be as fast as a titan

 

Say no more.

 

slow clap.

 

Oh Meaker, why you got'ta be spread'n rumors like that. Maxwell is still pretty hush-hush.

 

Its simply connecting the dots over generations. We get a new design and process node again.

 

I would be really surprised if the 880M GPU came in close to Titan's performance... then again, that would be one of those nice surprises, not like a kick to the groin surprise.

 

It will likely need an oc to get there but doable is my prediction

 

I think this fits more for a professional than a gamer. With a quadro GPU, one could benefit with the screen estate at their disposal. But its still cool that we gamers get this option. MSi is leading this time around. other manufacturers should learn.
One thing I like to note is that I think MSi listens to the customers. Like replacing the glossy bezel of last year with a matte one. kudos

 

If they intended that then it would ship with a quadro The standard model lets you run multiple displays for that sort of work.

Hopefully this model will hit the us market.

 

I just LOL'd really hard at that statement. Anything to make a sale.

 

I'm sad you think I would do that to a community I helped nurture

I'm deadly serious since we should hopefully get another 580m -> 680m jump.

 

I'm hopeful that what meaker said will become true. From kepler to maxwell might bring a big performance boost, that might come very near to a titan GPU. nothing wrong with that.

That is just not right... I've been reading through these forums daily for the past 4 years, and I fail to see Meaker would act like that. His contribution to this community is there for everyone to see. Please think for a moment before posting such talk.

 

Meaker has been very helpful and informative. Not even sure how making a statement about a chip that is 1 year out from shipped can be translated to making a sales pitch...

 

*Puts up preorder*

BUY NOW!



Feel free to look at my past predictions too, usually pretty close

I have high hopes for maxwell.

 

I think a single GTX 780M would have trouble handling most games in this kind of resolution. Sager's desktop replacement model (x7200 was it??) with two gpu's might be just enough. I would love to see the difference between this model and the other MSi 15' models. Screen would be worlds apart. I've never seen a UHD tv or anything higher than 1920x1080. I'm gonna go plant myself a money tree. Anyone in?

 

Me me me me ME!!!

Even if is doesn't handle it well at native (which I doubt to be honest, at least for the majority of games out there) with pixel density so high, you would barely notice if you drop the resolution to say 1920x1080.

 

The screen is awesome and it's a good thing we have access to a higher resolution screen. More importantly, a quality screen regarding color/contrast/viewing angles/brightness etc etc etc.

Droping resolution will be noticeable, but it won't look bad. If anything, you will only loose a % of the sharpness but gain the performance needed to game on it.

 

Wouldn't it still look better than an average screen though?

 

How would one go about possibly the 3K edition? (if I want to see the price..)

 

I hope maxwell has something to suprise us at this res. I would enjoy the sharpness of the panel, most daily usage will be awesome. not really worried about lowering the res a bit to game, i don't think it will look hideous, or out of picture or of sort..

 

Yeah, It won't look hideous at all, it's certainly the future

 

I don't know Most likely it will, compared to an average screen. It looks like an amazing panel to be honest, so it just might look good enough regardless of what you use it for.

 

It's hard to believe that a 3k panel will be beat by a FHD panel. It will surely look awesome with anything onscreen, be it game, work stuff or photoshop or similar... I truly believe that this is the future and nVidia most likely will have to follow up with GPUs that can handle games at this resolution. Might not be as soon as next year, but in a couple of years, we may witness gaming on UHD notebooks quite similar to the way we game at FHD nowadays. But it'll be sometime till UHD gets into mainstream. Right now, a UHD display costs a kidney.... *puts on thinking hat*..... totally worth it!! LOL

 

It will pop next to any other display and stand out in a crowd

 

So the 3k edition will be the dragon edition of GT60? cool...

 

Any news??

 

Not at the moment.

 

Not sure if anyone has seen this video yet.. Good to see it's not only going to be a dragon edition chassis. I like the stock black GT60 chassis. But from the video, I can already see how bright and clear that display looks. It also looks glossy, which now that I've had a matte display I would prefer it to be matte.

MSI Gaming Laptops GT60 3K Edition, GS70 Slim GTX 765M and Dragon Edition 2 - Computex 2013 - YouTube

 

Is it possible to just buy the screen and install it?

 

I guess...

 

Anyone know where one might buy the 3k screen?

 

I guess not:

 

The 3k edition has a different port layout so will have a different motherboard and will likely therefore use a different connector entirely.

 

http://www.msi.com/product/nb/#/?sk=Gaming Series

 

It is available for purchase anywhere? I mean this 3K laptop ?

 

I am wondering the same thing, when will this be available? This will be an industry first AFAIK, no "gaming laptop" sport such high resolution yet

 

So asked MSI Canada on their FB page, coming out around end of November. Hoping to see more competition from Clevo and the likes