Eurocom Tornado F5/Eurocom Tornado F7 with 6-core Coffee lake cpus?

anyone knows if future gtx 1180 and 1170 will be an option for older tornado F5?

 

And,will they be GTX2080/GTX2070 or GTX1180/GTX1170...?

I doubt the full RTX die is possible in 99% of laptops, so there will need to be high-end GTX models of the 2080 / 2070 stripped of their die wasting RT and Tensor cores.

 

they announced today at gamescom gtx 1180

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nvidia-thread.806608/page-54#post-10784625

Is this the announcement you are thinking of, or another one? Link(s)?

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Euroc...with-Core-i9-9900K-and-i7-9700K.324038.0.html

"Perhaps the most intriguing tidbit from the announcement is that the aforementioned Sky models will support future GPUs such as the "GTX 1180, GTX 1170, RTX 1080, RTX 1070" due to their versatile MXM 3 slots. Had Eurocom mentioned these GPUs before Gamescom, then we would have been quick to label them as placeholder names. However, the reseller is explicitly mentioning these GPU names almost two full days after the public reveal of the desktop RTX series in Cologne.

It's possible that Nvidia will introduce a different naming convention yet again for its next generation of laptop GPUs. At best, the diverging names could simply be an attempt by the chipmaker to better distinguish between its laptop and desktop GPUs since current mobile Pascal GPUs have the exact same names as their desktop counterparts. At worse, however, we could be seeing a relatively minor refresh for mobile gamers."

Still confusing... right?

 

xD yeah but i watched this at 1h 30m mark




edit:
that being said im still confused

 

Yeah I saw that, and that makes that Jensen taunting the media with "GTX1180" even worse, right?

 

my only explanation of this is maybe he made a mistake and said 1180 instead he meant gtx 2080? because he didnt mention the gtx 1180 afterwards in the entire show xD

 

Nahhh, I think Jensen knew what he was dealing out... and now it's got deeper meaning if the laptop GTX1180 announcement is real...

"GTX 1180, GTX 1170, RTX 1080, RTX 1070"

Why not call the RTX models a RTX1180 and RTX1170 instead of adding another dimension, to the mix?

"You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead - your next stop, the Twilight Zone!
ROD SERLING, introduction, The Twilight Zone (season 2)"

Do you think Jensen thinks we will "Pre-Order" to try to make him to stop?

 

well this is next level trolling right there xD my headis spinning right now , that was so confusing all the tech bla bla bla xD

 

When he 'announced' the launch of the GeForce GTX 1180...he followed it quickly with...this is the most leaked thing ever, but everything you see on the internet is wrong, and it will be a surprise.

What we do know is the next gen laptop release will be GeForce GTX 11x0 series. For now at least, and into the fairly distant future, RTX is desktop only, and may always be. So much for the Pascal claim that the difference between laptop and desktop is now minimal. Great for Pascal...but very short lived. The great divide is back...hence the new naming structure of GTX 11x0 and RTX 20x0.

The actual ship date of the GTX 11x0 series is still under NVIDIA non-disclosure, so since it is not 'established', it is anybody's guess. It seems the best guess floating around the manufacturers within the industry is early 2019.

 

Thanks, I assume details are under wraps for now, except for that press release info, but Eurocom did list 2 RTX named GPU's, which suggest there will be laptop versions of RTX, or maybe some miscommunication?

"GTX 1180, GTX 1170, RTX 1080, RTX 1070"

"Eurocom references mobile GeForce RTX 1070, RTX 1080, GTX 1180, and GTX 1170, updates Sky series with Core i9-9900K and i7-9700K (Source: Eurocom)"

"Had Eurocom mentioned these GPUs before Gamescom, then we would have been quick to label them as placeholder names. However, the reseller is explicitly mentioning these GPU names almost two full days after the public reveal of the desktop RTX series in Cologne."

 

First, you must consider the source. If the source is not NVIDIA, then with no corroboration coming from a reliable source, that is simply not enough for me...nor should it be for anyone else. It is just gossip.

 

Fair enough. We can wait for some official clarity.

 

welp if 1180 1170 is coming then its most likely premium dollars of "full desktop GPU" but giving us a cut down version in comparison to laptop.

looks like its back to the old days of 780 vs 780m = 770, except this time they are going to continue to charge premium while giving a cut down version. no competition = milk away! good things i got no plans of buying a new GPU for another 2-3 years.

 

those internal heatsink pictures must be some top secret NDA stuff.. still can't find any. google not your best friend

 

@Donald@HIDevolution
Need a lappy ASAP, can’t really wait till all this 20 series Nvidia chimera wears off. Would you recommend going with 1070 non Q version? Will it last me another two years?

 

There will be no next gen NVIDIA laptop GPU’s until early 2019.

Whether the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 will work for you for the next couple of years will depend on what you are going to do with it. For gaming, and business productivity, it should be fine.

Why are you posting in this thread? In which laptop are you interested?

 

finally updated on eurocom's website for more internal pics
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/images(452)TornadoF7W

@Papusan @Falkentyne
looking at some of the pictures, i thought this machine got 2x 2.5" i only see one, maybe its at another location. m.2 ssd modules can go all the way up to 22110, the new optane would fit lol.

 

The ssd sled has a 2.5 drive screwed into the opposite side. The top of the drive is directly below the touchpad.

 

Smh. This is what the what GT75 8Rx should've been:

Spoiler

Instead it got the same cooling setup as the GT73/GT75 7Rx despite the much hotter 8th gen CPUs:

Spoiler

 

i had honestly hoped for a brand new chassis design but i guess that was too much to ask, it was obvious they'd use something already existed and made modification to reduce cost. still a hell of a machine tho.

 

Where's the consumer version though. Nobody is going to pay usd3500 to game on the base model i7-8700 and 1060 equivalent xeon/quadro

 

wait for the config of 9900k to come out. GPU is a damn shame tho, still no 2080

 

That's a laptop I would actually consider buying if Pascal weren't so old now, provided it got a Prema Bios.
That cooling looks nice finally.

Right @Papusan ?

But the BGA garbage got the "GPU VRM's cooled by the CPU fan" crap
Note that the Gt75 itself took off ONE HEATPIPE off the GPU VRM cooling and extended the middle CPU heatpipe to a new "half" radiator on the bottom right side.



@yrekabakery
Just fyi, the reason the GT75VR (and GT73VR) and GT75 (with the nerfed GPU VRM heatpipe and extra cpu half radiator) has this abortion of a cooling setup is because the SKU also has a GTX 1070 SLI configuration possible on it. For SLI systems, the slave GPU's VRM's have to be cooled by another heatsink going to the left side, meaning the primary GPU's VRMs has to be cooled by the CPU fans.

Again, CANCER COST CUTTING @Papusan.

All MSI had to do was simply design two heatsinks:
1) single card systems: left GPU fan cools both GPU and VRM's. Raises temps slightly on the GPU but keeps the CPU cooled by *TWO* dedicated radiators. Currently the GPU core is cooled by two dedicated radiators but hurts the CPU cooling (and even GPU VRMs' in GT75 Titan).

2) SLI systems: the same as now: primary GPU cooled by VRM plate routing to the cpu side and radiator / half radiator, GPU's 1 and 2 cooled by two blocks attached to primary GPU radiator (runs HOT), GPU #2 VRM's cooled by GPU fan and 2nd radiator.

But hey designing a different CPU block for 1070 SLI systems so the GPU VRMs can be cooled by the CPU fan, and a BETTER completely separate dual radiator CPU block for single 1070 and 1080 systems, so the CPU gets much better cooling (even though GPU cooling is hurt sightly) would cost too much money. Had to save it for the WT75 (single GPU only)....gotta save those pennies.

 

i personally would prefer if they extend cpu heat pipes into GPu side of thing thats my preference. cpu ultimately is still cooled by only 1 fan, extra heatpipes/radiator just adds capacity, going to 8 cores will still have similar problem going from 4 to 6 cores.

i love those extra 2.5" but by the looks of this, no much room left for modding..

 

Agreed, Cooling on the GPU is definitely more important then CPU, and if manufacturers can increase the size of cooling block it would also help too. Larger cooling block = smaller fan = lesser noise.

 

Thats what I'm wondering too. They might be holding out until the mobile 20xx nvidia gpus roll out Q1 2019 so they can pack it with 'new' and 'the best' technology out there or some marketing like that.

 

9900k reviews tmrw, cant wait

 

I think the F7 is a whitebook from MSI known as MS75 or something like that. Anyways - the EUROCOM version has got better cooling then even that one, no joke, it's insane. This is the desktop replacement you should be modding and screwing around with if you tend to treat it like we did our F5's hahah and push it as far as it can go.

 

Do you mean the MSI WT75? I have one and took some pictures of what its CPU cooler looks like ( here). Is the F7 using the same unit?

Do you know if MSI is making a variant of the motherboard for the F7, with Z390 and a supplemental power connector for a 200W+ MXM GPU? Similar to how the GT73 / GT75 have on their mainboard in non-SLI configs. I don't really care about Z390 compared to C246, but I imagine that the motherboard will need that supplemental power connector to keep up with the Clevo models.

 

yeah thats it ! MSI WT75, thank you

 

Only a full HD 120hz screen? Same display as the MSI GT75? I was hoping for a 1080p/144hz display. And hopefully they come out with a 1440p/144hz display since let's face it, if this thing comes with RTX cards, it will easily push 120hz 1080p.

 

One 2.5 inch drive bay is below the triple m.2 slots. The other is on the left of it. Looks like they used the space for the second GPU in the GT75 chassis for the hard drive. I wonder if this thing will only be available as a single GPU system. Because I don't see where a second GPU would fit with that second hard drive there. Or they might offer a SLI system with one hard drive and a single GPU with dual hard drives. Interesting.

 

it wont have 2nd gpu, that laptop wont have to capability to cool off 2 desktop class GPU while trying to cool off 6 or 8 cores on the CPU.

 

The Eurocom F7 Tornado will even get worse GPU cooling capability than what you will get in the BGA GT75 chassis. @Falkentyne

 

they could easily make a new laptop, or better yet make a new mobo for existing GT83 Titan chassis. total of 4 fans, 2 large fans for partial CPUs and mostly GPUs, 2 small fans for CPU. honestly have no idea why they dont do that, they had to redesign motherboard + heatsink anyway so why didn't they choose the 18" version.

@Falkentyne and phoenix w/e he changed his name to, I would be all over that than this half ass design, even with a 1080p 18" panel.

 

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/benchmark(231)TornadoF7W

 

OK. so Eurocom's site is confusing me about the F7.

So what chipset is this using? C246 or Zxxx? Has Intel blurred the lines between their server chipsets and CPUs again? as I thought xeons used the Cxxx chipset and Core-i series used Zxxx on the high-end. But its available with both Xeon and core-i CPUs. And to make it more confusing, Eurocom is only offering ECC memory, which I thought Intel locked support to their Cxxx chipset and Xeons (and some low end stuff like i3s).

Also, MSI seems to have a tight hold on this for being a whitebook. I guess its more like a straight rebrand since no other sellers are selling any other configuration other than the same workstation models tied to quardo cards. More people would definitely buy this with GTX cards even with Turing mobile possibly around the corner.

I wonder if Eurocom will sell one without a GPU and then just buy an MSI GPU separately and hope its plug and play.

 

Eurocom Tornado F7W (i9-9900K, Quadro P5200) Workstation Review
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Euroc...Quadro-P5200-Workstation-Review.373721.0.html


prime95+furmark

 

It appears the 9900K has an 80W power limit in this system.

 

And about same bench results done at Eurocom... Tornado F7 Mobile Workstation with i9-9900K (8C/16T) and Quadro P5200 Nov 13, 2018

Undervolt will most likely help a bit on the power cap.

 

Yeah, but 80W is lower than even Intel spec. It looks like IMON slope/offset tweaks are needed, but then temps will be much higher.

 

Noteboocheck said in Verdict "The seemingly buggy BIOS and WLAN we experienced are likely issues with our specific unit only, but they're worth a mention nonetheless." But as you could see from my posts... Low scores from All units.

It will run hot with 50% higher power consumption with working stock clocks.

 

More like, almost 100% higher.

 

On my WT75 I can tweak VR Current Limit to around 475, which allows up to 95W TDP. My guess is EC interference due to the fact that these machines were only designed by MSI to use up to the 80W Xeon CPU. Maybe once Intel releases their 8-core Xeon then MSI will refresh the WT75 and release a new BIOS / EC better supporting the higher TDP processors.

 

Can't you "cheat" it using IMon slope?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-wt75-owners-lounge.823070/page-6#post-10816218

 

Yes, that can be done too. Actually, in order to get the best overclock (using an air conditioner to cool or such) you would want to do both the imon slope trick and vr current trick to get a max theoretical 190W instead of 160W. Sad, but just the way things are with the current bios / ec.