GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

Which model GT80 did you have? $700 for the 4k-225 would be within reason for me.

 

I guess I'll do some cost checks later.. -- I've also never seen the benefits of 'faster' RAM. Though maybe I'll get crucified for saying that..

ANYWHO!

Another question! Is MSI claiming upgrade capability from the Pascal or are they nipping making such claims in the bud to avoid situations like this?

 

Same as you, -001.

 

It helps with minimum frame rates when the CPU is being hit hard, average frame rates don't change much but I really hate stutter so I do everything I can. Most people probably don't notice the difference.

There will be another upgrade program for the gen after Pascal, you can either wait with your current notebook or use your Pascal one to trade in.

 

Yeah I was confused about the HDMI too. Only their new GS series had an official HDMI 2.0 label, so I was fully expecting the GT73, after reading the specs, to be only HDMI 1.4. I was pleasantly surprised. I will do more testing if needed though, but it does point to full HDMI 2.0. An interesting thing to note though, was that the original specs I noticed on the global MSI webpage, said HDMI (4K 60hz) instead of a version, so that's why I initially asked resellers and all, but then the "official" specs listed it as 1.4.

As for the GT83, I believe it uses both the same monitor and ports, which is why I do believe it is still 1.4. But hopefully we will be surprised there Maybe some users here can check it for us, but I do think it is 1.4.

As for the colors, you better believe it! One of the "downside" of the GT80 panel is that it is only 6 bits per color, as per the nvidia control panel options, and it shows, compared to external monitors. The GT73 has a TN panel with 8 bits per color, as well as better color accuracy (and many profiles) so having them side by side, colors are more vibrant and generally looks better. I was kind of hesitant initially because I was fully expecting the TN panel to be worse, but ended up being better. And the extra refresh rate is too nice to give up on. I tasted high refresh by overclocking the GT80 panel, I just can't go back to 60hz now hahaha

I do travel a lot, but when home I tend to use my laptop "docked" by placing it on a laptop cooler, external monitor, keyboard and obviously mouse. But I also use it directly with a mouse and headset. the good thing about the GT80 is that the keyboard is already there, and the screen is good, so it was one of the few systems you can use directly and feel like a full desktop replacement

I prefer going with the cheap base price and buy those things myself. There is nothing wrong with ordering models with already extra bells and whistles, it just costs more. If you do it yourself, you have more flexibility of when to upgrade, and how much you pay for those.

 

I was referring to interchanging the MXM cards with the next gen ones.. Seems like other companies were able to figure out the Pascal (cause for heartburn I see, reading back through these posts.)

 

Well I finally got a response back from MSI. Not thrilled about it, but I suppose at least I have options.

With my GT72 980m 2QE, estimated cost is $700 for either the GT72VR Dominator 032 or Pro 257. It would be $900 for the GT73VR Titan 017, and $1500 for the 73VR Pro 003.

Theyre saying that the VR models are a "thin laptop model" and the BluRay drive I have currently will not fit the new ones. I'm not completely convinced of that, but at least I got my answer.

The only BR drive equipped models are the GT83VR, which costs more to upgrade to than I paid for my GT72.

It does mention opting out for this generation upgrade and waiting for the 2nd gen (presumably GTX 11xx), but by then, I can only assume the value of my trade in would be comical

I'm still thinking about my options. I was on the edge with something like the G751JY or so from Asus, but the BluRay drive and upgradedable vid card swayed me.

I travel with my laptop (hence spending the money for a DTR), so having to carry around something like an external BR drive concerns me. I use a $10 mouse because I know it will get beat up in travel, even in the original box it came in. I cant imagine an optical drive would fare any better.

 

The 2 generations of GPU upgrades are for GT72 / GT80 original owners only, not valid for 2nd hand used or refurbished owners.

For new original owners of the GT72VR, GT73VR, GT83VR there is no official word on whether a GPU upgrade / trade-in program will be offered.

So far the GPU upgrade / trade-in program is only for the original owners of the GT72 / GT80 models.

2 generations of GPU upgrades, if you started with Kepler you get upgrades to Maxwell and Pascal, if you started with Maxwell you get upgrades to Pascal and "Volta - or whatever Nvidia comes out with next".

 

It was hoped that Eurocom (a Clevo re-marketer) 1070 non-SLI upgrade would be added to with 1060, 1070 SLI, and 1080 (SLI) upgrade options, but so far nothing else has come out for the Clevo P870DM frame.

That Eurocom 1070 MXM GPU upgrade is an MSI 1070...

Clevo abandoned their owners without any upgrade / trade-in path, unlike MSI that promised 2 generations of GPU upgrades, Clevo owners just assumed Clevo would follow in the same path they had been for generations - backward compatibility for new MXM GPU's.

MSI is the only OEM maker that's done something for owners to keep their stated promises for GPU upgradeability.

 

This is what I was asking, thanks for the clarification.

 

To be honest, if you do use the drive, it means you read or carry discs, and the size of those/boxes is around the size of a good portable bluray drive. I use one with my lenovo work, because I constantly need to access rack computers that either lack an optical disc drive, or simply no longer works, and they now make them super slim.

I would recommend you going for the base titan 017 model, because it is very expensive to go for the 1080 model. Unless you do have the money. Even 1070 is basically, almost a 100% performance increase over 980m, which should be a nice bump over your current machine.

As for waiting for a new generation over your current one, yeah, by the time new machines and GPUs come out, I do believe our current models will be worth quite less.

 

Ah, then I certainly was confused per prior posts discussing this. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

As a further point of clarification, original GT72 / GT80 Maxwell (9xxm) owners that upgrade to a Pascal GT72VR / GT73VR / GT83VR using the USA MSI trade-in program you will be able to trade-in / upgrade one more time to the next generation Nvidia GPU MSI models.

 

Oh cool! That's neat! Was this passed down through official channels from MSI somewhere? I certainly would love something 'tangible' to reference in the future assuming I make the leap to the Pascal and in a few years wish to do the same with the next generation..

Also, is there an FAQ section for this that contains a list of responses?

I feel like what I've been asking has been answered before.. Unfortunately, I don't have the patience to scour all 350+ pages for answers, nor frame my questions 10 different ways in hopes that the search engine will find something.. Sorry.

(I feel like people knowing that they're willing to work with non-OEM components and accidentally broken parts (assuming it's minor) is worthwhile thing to sticky somewhere.. Just a thought!)

 

Thanks to users participating here, and people like you that ask these questions, is how the whole program started getting shape. Most of this questions might feel like they've been answered many times, but it is actually all very recent information.

Don't worry about asking questions, we created this thread to help out, and it is perfectly understandable some information might have been buried between pages a while ago.

MSI just recently made the official post regarding the trade in program on their page. Before it was only a confirmation here in the forums. Since "official" information is just rolling out, mainly between user's interaction with MSI, there is no FAQ yet, but maybe MSI can read your posts and put up a comprehensive FAQ for users to ask the more common questions regarding the program.

One thing to note, most of the impact here has been directly with MSI USA, and other regions are still largely dependent of user interaction with them. The program itself has been "slowly" rolling out.

 

This is not strictly true. This has only been offered by MSI USA not the remaining 90% of the world.




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Well, I just don't want to be stuck in 4+ years when the new architecture drops, saying "hmscott on the notebookreview forum told me I could update from my 'OLD' MSI GTXXVR to that fancy new generation laptop!" -- If there is a mention of this somewhere referring to the upgrade program for all current GT72/GT80 Maxwell owners, a link to that official notice would be super helpful.

Or did this news come in the form of 'he said/she said' in some e-mail exchange that is buried in some conversation here?

Because I certainly didn't see that mentioned here? (Which is the only official mention I really see..): http://event.msicomputer.com/usagttradein/

 

I am not entirely sure what your angle is here, because we are literally dealing with time frames of newly released products, newly released hardware, seeking answers and asking questions of something that is recent and new. There was no news nor comments about this prior to the launch of pascal, for the vast majority of users.

MSI did not have a program planned initially, and the program came to be precisely because users started asking about the promised upgrade. All information we have gathered was obtained either by email with MSI, confirmation with official representatives here (which can be seen on their topics) as well as only very recently, their first news post regarding the whole program, for USA based customers. Other branches of MSI didn't know the program, some probably still don't know nor have any plans for, depending on region.

If you follow the official notice, or the MSI reps here and provide your info, that's basically what and how most have gotten actual answers from MSI. This is an on going thing, not something from the past. There are still questions being answered and pending, and users participating both in the program and/or seeking alternatives, in USA and several parts of the world.

Not entirely sure what you are responding me about? The lack/need of a FAQ? I do agree MSI needs to add a FAQ for this, though they didn't have before because there weren't any Q to A. Hopefully they now have a good enough amount of questions to answer them in a proper FAQ, for the appropriate regions.

Ignoring what's posted here, remember than in the end this forum is only seeking to help and it is not MSI directly. We can only answer what we have as information, but you are always encouraged to:

• Provide your information directly to MSI
• Ask any questions you still have doubts to MSI.

One thing to keep in mind, and as has been noted by many users, is that they do take time to answer and sometimes you can get a quick reply, or sometimes weeks can pass before getting the complete information.

The USA MSI Team dedicated for the program itself is different than the MSI reps here, and it is a small dedicated team for the task. As far as I know, the specific USA team for the program is not participating directly here, so they answer via email. This dedicated team is the one that has the final saying on matters so their answers are relevant to users.

 

I believe there is some verbiage about this in the initial personalized offer email you'll get from the sales support rep, can't remember what it says exactly.

If you have to include non oem parts in your trade in make sure to run it by your rep before hand. Mine had to ask his manager, but like I said, they were cool with it in my case and they'll make sure the inspector knows.

 

I was responding to you, after you responded to me, responding to hmscott..

My reply was grouping your reply and hmscott's reply 'together' since it was a part of the same string of dialogue I thought.

hmscott said, and I quote
"As a further point of clarification, original GT72 / GT80 Maxwell (9xxm) owners that upgrade to a Pascal GT72VR / GT73VR / GT83VR using the MSI trade-in program you will be able to trade-in / upgrade one more time to the next generation Nvidia GPU MSI models."

So my 'angle' and/or purpose for my line of questioning is as follows..
Where did this particular bit of information come from?
Does it stem from an official source that I can have a source to?

Essentially, how do I "know" my next laptop will be capable of being upgraded/traded-in again in the same way?

Was this in an e-mail exchange someone had?.. Is it on a post here from an MSI rep?.. Should I have this conversation with whichever rep gets back to me so I have a paper trail or record of someone 'official' mentioning it?

I figured that was clear from my inquiry.. but maybe something was confused.. hmscott made a claim that this would extend beyond my current GT80 to my future pascal model so I want to know how he knows this and if there was an official mention anywhere.. and you responded to me where I listed my question about it that msi made an official response. So maybe I'm confusing your 'official response' with the initial announcement as opposed to the 'extended coverage' that I was inquiring about.

 

Yeah, definitely that's what threw me off, because I only saw your questions but replied to me, when it was more regarding what hmscott said. What I mentioned on your post was completely different that hmscott's, I was giving context regarding how we got to know stuff from MSI currently.

The part about your next laptop being upgraded/traded in again came from emails as far as I know. And what I do know/what comes from the official emails when they first contact you, is the part that you can wait for the next gen instead of upgrading if you want. Specifically this:

"You may choose to skip the current GTX 10 series trade-in program and wait for the GTX 11 series trade-in program, but do so at your own discretion because we will not know of any details about the GTX 11 series trade-in program until the GTX 11 series GPUs are actually released."

It's a good question to ask MSI, if by participating in the Trade in program you can also reparticipate.

 

Sorry about that. If you review both my initial message that you replied to (particularly the first line), and your message with the note about the 'official announcement' you can see where my confusion was too.

Ah, ok, I'll be sure to ask them (whichever rep I get) about it to get further verification.

This part I knew, just not the fact your could upgrade and get another upgrade to the next gen.. That certainly sounds promising!

 

Just a suggestion as an outside observer to this debacle. Non-US /UK owners should start a similar thread as it appears they're get left in the dark.
Perhaps with mod approval get it temporarily stickied.
I'd hope that you'd get a response from a MSI Rep in their to acknowledge the thread exists. Either way, good luck to all.

 

MSI is the only OEM that advertised the capability of upgradable GPU's. No other OEM's made that promise.

 

OK, let's assess this offer. MSI has value X for your existing GTX980M and value Y for the GTX 1070, how can there be two prices for machines with the GTX 1070? The barebones GT73VR is the closest match of features to the GT72 2QE, so why do they offer the GT72VR? Ahhh, so they can charge you more. MSRP for the GT73VR is higher.

To be clear, moving from a GT72 2QE to a GT72VR is a downgrade in barebone feature set.

The GT72S with 6th gen I7, DDR4 and PCIE SSD's provides no benefit in gaming, these notebooks are sold as gaming machines, if MSI must include these component swaps from your original set up, why would you pay for them? (Feel free to fact check this statement, I did).

The only additional benefit of the GT73VR over the GT72 2QE (other than having Pascal) is the option to SLI in the future. But should we be charged $200 for something we may or may not use?

 

Well sometimes I will bring a movie or two with me on BluRay (which I've specifically invested most of my movies into now that I have one as a player) I want to watch somewhere with someone, and I still have more faith in a plastic, flimsy CD case than something as delicate as an optical drive. Unless there's a good solid durable BR external one (which mustnt be cheap). I even take excellent care of everything, but s* happens.

I'm trying to see where the $200 goes in the Titan 017 over the Dominator Pro 257. The chassis looks slightly different and is missing the optical drive, but most of the hardware looks the same. Both use the 1070, the Titan just has a slightly bumped up, unlocked CPU. What really makes the Titan better than the Dominator Pro?

I'm also really suspicious of the whole "the internal BR drive doesnt fit" thing when it looks like the VR uses the same chassis that I already have, comes with a DVD drive already, and I imagine the BR is pretty much the same size as it. I should look into that more at least.

Just saw this post. It does seem like a downgrade. I'm not too hung up on the SSD thing, since I have a m.2 250 gb extra one I use as well, that I'm not sure even is that much faster than a SATA one, but I'm happy with it, so ignorance is bliss.

The 1070 seems to be a bigger leap than I expected over the 980m...but there hasnt been anything that I've launched and been like "man, the 980m just isnt enough". And I'd have to give up my precious internal BR drive.

 

Titan has RAID options for SSDs and a mux switch like your GT72 2QE.


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I'm not hardcore enough to RAID my HDDs, so nothing for me there.

Mux switch for what, running on the internal graphics instead of 980m to save power? It's nifty, but I'm always plugged in anyways, fortunate in that I havent had to use that feature

 

I'm not saying you need either. Just pointing out that the GT72VR is a downgrade because it lacks these features.


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I believe that the cooling system is also different, but indeed the chipset and lack of mux switch are the main differences (as well as optical drive).

You should be able to swap the dvd drive for a bd drive in the GT72 variant they offer.


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This is what I got back from MSI

"I just confirmed with my PM about the Unit that you are receiving is a thin laptop model, and the previous laptop drive will not fit. The only model that has a BD drive is the GT83VR, but the price will cost a lot more."

I cant help but think something is wrong here..I'm not convinced that the DVD drive DOES fit but the BR version does NOT

 

That's not what the Clevo owners of those Clevo MXM GPU and socketed CPU laptops believed, otherwise they wouldn't have spent so much on upgradeable laptops - their words, not mine.

Those Clevo owners have been sorely disappointed, and have posted many places of their disappointment, here are just two thread's on NBR:

Anyone else disappointed? (after owners found out there are no GPU upgrades from Clevo)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/anyone-else-disappointed.795318/

This one has the beginning - middle - and end of the last generation P870DM - with the hopes of upgrades - the rumors of upgrades - the planning their builds based on upgrades to Pascal, and the disappointment finding out there P870DM2/DM3 designs with Pascal physically stop them from using those Pascal GPU's in their Upgradeable GPU / CPU Clevo PM870's:

**Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen!**
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-lounge-phoenix-has-arisen.781814/page-830

And, it's true that MSI is the only OEM that explicitly promised GPU upgrades and is providing them.

 

Yeah, everything we have heard from MSI USA is quoted in the 1st post

There are quotes from the MSI USA Trade-in Team over weeks / months of questions and responses.

I need to clean it up, but it's all there.

Also, I have been asking MSI USA to put this all in an official posting or webpage, which they even named as "eblast FAQ", but that hasn't happened yet. So I keep adding their quotes as posts in the thread and then I add them to the 1st post.

I have sent them the collection of quotes recently asking that they put it into an official FAQ, hopefully that will show up soon / eventually

I have also said you each need to negotiate your trade-in offer with them directly, and ask questions - verify quotes from MSI USA - but don't be relentless - they don't have time to keep reanswering the same questions over and over again.

And, that has been the point I have been trying to make with MSI USA Trade-in Team to post a full FAQ of answers so people don't need to keep asking the same questions over and over

 

Many have already sold their Clevo P870DMs privately months ago and bought Pascal DM2/3... so tell me again how this unplanned delay-ridden trade in program is so awesome for MSI owners

 

MSI UK Trade in program response today:

The Trade-in program in offering now in UK and the deadline of the inquiry will be on 31st Dec.


SLI GTX 1080, 8GB GDDR5X IPS/ i7-6820HK/ 32GB/ SR-512+1TB GT83VR 6RF(Titan SLI)-072UK 9S7-181512-072 £ 3,799.00
SLI GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5 IPS/ i7-6820HK/ 32GB/ SR-256+1TB GT83VR 6RE(Titan SLI)-013UK 9S7-181512-013 £ 3,099.00
SLI GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5 4K/ i7-6820HK/ 32GB/ SR-512+1TB GT73VR 6RE(Titan SLI 4K)-064UK 9S7-17A111-064 £ 3,099.00
GTX 1080, 8GB GDDR5X 120HZ/i7-6820HK/ 32GB/ SR-512+1TB GT73VR 6RF(Titan Pro)-035UK 9S7-17A111-035 £ 2,699.00
GTX 1080, 8GB GDDR5X 120HZ/ i7/ 16GB/ 256+2TB GT73VR 6RF(Titan Pro)-241UK 9S7-17A111-241 £ 2,599.00
GTX 1080, 8GB GDDR5X 120HZ/i7-6820HK/ 16GB/ 256+1TB GT73VR 6RF(Titan Pro)-220UK 9S7-17A111-220 £ 2,499.00
GTX 1080, 8GB GDDR5X 120HZ/ i7/ 16GB/ 128+2TB GT73VR 6RF(Titan Pro)-240UK 9S7-17A111-240 £ 2,499.00
GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5 IPS/ i7/16GB/256+1TB GT72VR 6RE(Dominator Pro)-040UK 9S7-178511-040 £ 2,099.00
GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5 IPS/ i7/ 16GB/ 128+2TB GT72VR 6RE(Dominator Pro)-249UK 9S7-178511-249 £ 1,999.00
GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5 IPS/ i7/ 8GB/ 256+1TB GT72VR 6RE(Dominator Pro)-233UK 9S7-178511-233 £ 1,999.00
GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5 4K/ i7/ 16GB/ 1+1 GT62VR 6RE(Dominator Pro 4K)-076UK 9S7-16L221-076 £ 1,999.00
GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5 IPS/ i7/16GB/1+1 GT72VR 6RE(Dominator Pro)-234UK 9S7-178511-234 £ 1,899.00
GTX 1060, 6GB GDDR5 IPS/ i7/16GB/256+1TB GT72VR 6RD(Dominator)-037UK 9S7-178511-037 £ 1,799.00


My laptop GT72 6QD-048UK has been devalued £400 according MSI UK in 6 months.

 

Yup, Clevo P870DM owners aren't the only ones disappointed, all the Clevo MXM GPU upgradeable laptops are stopped dead in the tracks, and the only way to upgrade is to sell them - or wait for 3rd party Pascal GPU MXM cards to release, thanks for pointing that out.

Of course noone wants to purchase a non-upgradeable upgradeable Clevo laptop, at least not for anywhere near what it sold for - even days before the Pascal models were released new Clevo owners were gleeful of the soon to be made available Pascal upgrade cards, read it in their threads:

Spoiler

Those Clevo owners have been sorely disappointed, and have posted many places of their disappointment, here are just two thread's on NBR:

Anyone else disappointed? (after owners found out there are no GPU upgrades from Clevo)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/anyone-else-disappointed.795318/

This one has the beginning - middle - and end of the last generation P870DM - with the hopes of upgrades - the rumors of upgrades - the planning their builds based on upgrades to Pascal, and the disappointment finding out there P870DM2/DM3 designs with Pascal physically stop them from using those Pascal GPU's in their Upgradeable GPU / CPU Clevo PM870's:

**Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen!**
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-lounge-phoenix-has-arisen.781814/page-830

It's too bad you didn't buy a MSI GT laptop during the Maxwell generation, then you could have preserved more of your laptop value and gotten a brand new laptop for the cost of the GPU upgrade, for 2 GPU architecture generations.

It looks like you missed the Window of opportunity for upgradeable laptops altogether, MSI isn't offering GPU upgrades / trade-in's for new owners of the Pascal series GPU's, at least not yet.

And, the P870DM2/DM3 owners are saying they are giving Clevo 1 more chance, but if the next generation "Volta" GPU's don't work in their MXM GPU upgradeable DM2/DM3 laptops, they are done with Clevo for good.

That says to me that Clevo owners expected their MXM GPU laptops to be upgradeable, and in fact still do expect them to be upgradeable in the future, but they aren't.

Maybe Clevo will offer trade-in's like MSI at some point, better later than neverer.

 

@c0rsa1r

Yeah, basically same poor offer some of us received in November.
Ever so slightly better than original offer.

They have valued my laptop at £1669, original price £2799. Purchased in July this year for more than £1669 but considerably less than original price.

Laughable.

 

Your laptop isn't in this list, the list is of current MSI GT laptops and their UK MSRP...?

How did you figure the value of your Maxwell laptop? Computed from a trade-in table like in the US? Or?

The Deadline of 12/31/2016 has also been announced for the US Trade-in.

 

I got an email from MSI UK about my previous laptop. Have moved on by selling privately but applied for the trade-in scheme back in October.

MSI actually GAVE ME the current value of my laptop in writing.

Can't believe how much MSI have devalued their last generation TOP 17inch laptop. I would be really fuming if I was to take 'advantage' of the UK offer.

 

That's too bad, here in the US the numbers I have run on the GT80 980m SLI trade-in options are good, better than I could get selling it now privately.

Just occured to me reading another UK poster complaining about the price difference between US / Canada pricing and UK pricing, and I remembered "brexit", so maybe that is what's causing the devaluation down in used value and up in new cost?

 

They offered me £910 based on the original launch price and the invoice date.

That was the list I can choose for apply the £910 discount.

 

Please note where 'MSI' is stated, it only applies to MSI USA, not MSI as an entire business.

 

Please state the good value is if you were to sell your existing and buy a new laptop. NOT so good if you were looking to buy a new GPU and sell your existing GPU.

This is a replacement for that advertised capability, not a discount scheme for previous owners.

 

Can you share the full email you received from MSI UK please?

 

@ryzeki @TBoneSan - originally I started this thread for GPU Upgrade discussion for MSI, not realizing that MSI would split things across regions in their support for the upgrades - a fiscal requirement that each region manage the upgrade trade-in's.

Now that we have realized this, perhaps it's time to split off the other regions into their own threads, it's getting busy in here and apparently some people are confused when I say MSI that I am talking about MSI USA.

What do you think of @TBoneSan 's idea?

 

What happened the last time you tried to split this thread?

As stated by the mods, this thread is a hub for MSI GT series notebook users to discuss the GPU upgrade situation. There are people from many areas of the world already posting here.

Please don't feel obliged to partake, the thread can manage just fine.

(and for the sake of the Lord, please try not to get this thread locked again!)

@hmscott , I'm confused, who is the 'we' you keep referring to?

And to keep this on-topic, all the regions where offers are made can be posted here. It's a great reference for comparative purposes amongst other things.

 

If they could merely post a grid with every model impacted and assign a trade value, and then also include every possible model you can upgrade / downgrade to with the understanding that the trade *must* cost something and not be a zero/negative value that sure would make all of our lives easier.

There are so many model numbers with the new GT lineup that they aren't always getting us the best information. I asked for a quote on moving to a GT73VR 4k model and they quoted me the most expensive 4k model and I wasn't even aware there was a lesser module that more closely matched my current config for like $1100 less.

I'm still not satisfied with the prices, but that is another issue entirely. I want them to offer us fair market for our current device and actual sales price on the new models, since most of them are $500+ under MSRP direct through retailers - which means they are making a killing off of us since they aren't even selling these to us at cost. That is why I'm so bitter.

 

I'm bitter because MSI stated "*Each upgrade cost is the same as if you were to only upgrade the GPU." and based on every trade demonstrated so far this is completely untrue. They are valuing our notebooks for resale and reducing the MSRP by this amount or similar.

 

It would be nice if MSI USA gave a list of all the MSI USA GT models and versions with MSRP, that's all we really need.

The "huge" chart of all possible trade-in models against all possible Pascal GT models isn't going to happen, it's a waste of time.

From MSI USA Trade-in Team email:

"If we made a chart with MSRP, we have so many different models that it would confuse everyone. It’s best to let us do the calculation as we know how to handle it."

Not everyone else needs to know what every other laptop except for their own is worth, or how much it would cost to upgrade someone else's to a Pascal GT laptop.

Given 1 laptop trade-in for your model given as an example you can use the MSRP for that model vs MSRP of other models to compute the cost to trade-in for each one.

MSI USA gave me several examples, and I see by other USA Owners there are plenty of examples given to each person to figure out what their unit is worth, and what it will cost MSRP to MSRP for another model.

Again, it would be good for MSI USA to give a list of every GT model available in the US for trade-in as that information is not in one place and takes time to gather. I will send the MSI USA Trade-in Team an email asking for such a list, and suggest they include that with every MSI USA trade-in owner upon the first contact.

Any other questions for MSI USA?

 

Where does MSI stop patronising it's customers? It's too confusing for us to understand? WTF MSI?

"It’s best to let us do the calculation as we know how to handle it" Ahhh, the little integrity MSI may of had vanished with this statement. Do they really think we can't do basic math?

And why oh why do MSI think that MSRP is acceptable, we are not buying from retail. We are buying direct from the manufacturer, so give it to us at distribution prices (this means any profit made will be the same for MSI as if we had bought direct from a store).

Can any of those that have had an offer from MSI USA tell me if the prices quoted include all taxes etc?