GT72/GT72S and GT80/GT80S Owners GPU Upgrade Discussion

What charts are people looking at to compare the 1070 SLI against the 980's SLI? I haven't really found very much out there. I am also on the fence, because if this goes bad, I am also eyeing that Predator 21x.

 

I am, but i'm in europe and i'm very pessimistic....

 

what do you mean what charts? You mean performance? 980 is in line with the desktop 980, while 1070 performs around 980ti, or slightly less % than a 1070 desktop.

At any rate, 1070 SLI is a good upgrade over 980. A 1080 SLI machine is stronger, but considerably more expensive.

 

I count 5 fans. http://www.anandtech.com/show/10614...en-intel-core-cpu-and-geforce-gtx-1080-in-sli

Gorgeous!! Wonder if the CPU is upgradable.

 

Yeah, I hadn't really looked into it and I made a false claim without properly researching. I finally saw it does have a thousand fans hahaha.

I kinda like it, but I don't like the touchpad/numpad combo. I am not happy either with the implementation on the GT80, and I would rather they dedicate a portion of the upper side after the keyboard, to be touchpad. Flipping an actual device to have a numpad/touchpad seems like a bad idea to me.

 

Look closely , the x21 has 5 or 6 fans I want it very very bad!

 

Am I the only one who thinks the acer is hideous looking compared to the gt80?

Plus that's basically a predator screen in there,. You know it will be 6k plus. I was willing to compromise on a 1080p screen cause most of the time I'd have my laptop hooked up to a external main display. But yeah, don't like the way it looks at all :/

 

That depends , if I get a free upgrade to the GT83, the Titan looks better. If not, the predator looks better. ......lol

 

I was hoping you had a link to an actual benchmark pitting these against eachother preferably in some type of mobile device. I'm not having a whole lot of luck simply due to how new the cards are. I would really love a GT83 review because on paper doesn't always match up with real world. If we move into GT83's, I just don't want any surprises like performance throttling due to power constraints, or poor cooling, etc. Just a lot of unknowns, that's all.

 

Perfectly understandable. Though the main reason there was a GT83 was to fix both power constrains, throttling and cooling. I suspect it will do great. There isn't much reviews for the mobile GTX cards, but at least we know they roughly perform within 10% of their desktop counter parts, when they are properly cooled (like with the GT series).

Let's hope we see reviews soon, for these SLI machines. I am interested to find out if the GT83 incorporates the normal SLI bridge or a new HB bridge?

 

It's an abomination. Who thought taking up so much real estate with that picture of the monster was aesthetically pleasing? Fire your design team, Acer.

And it's a 21" laptop. Buy a desktop already guys. You won't be lugging that thing anywhere, so what's the point?

 

I would buy the X21 in a heartbeat. Coolest laptop ever. I'm sure they will sell lol. Its new, different, has amazing cooling from what I can see, and looks much better than having a huge desktop with wires everywhere. I used to be a hardcore builder, but there is no point anymore. This monster will smash 99 percent of gaming desktops out there. Price may not be too bad either, he said north of 5000USD, which I'm assuming is no more than 6K. I think its a beautiful laptop! but that's just my opinion

 

To be honest, gt80 and above are not really portable either and definitely not something you'd pop open in a Starbucks or a library. At this point it doesn't really matter how heavy it is how large it is. It's for bragging rights at LAN parties and anywhere else you can haul it(without breaking your back hopefully) to where is going to sit on something study and for more than a few minutes.

Don't get me wrong, if I could afford it I'd be all over it because I'm a nerd and I want to show it off!!

 

regardless if it is gona be 5k or 6k ( i personally sense 6500-7500 when loaded to the gills with ssd's and ram and new kaby lake), when you can actually get your own in q1 2017.... and it will smash some desktops for about 3 months till the 1080ti comes out at which point its performance-value will sink to 2k or less....its a halo product to capture vision, not a value product to capture market share, and way late in the lifecycle of the gtx 1080

the easiest path to not be pist about new products being much better than what you currently own, is to buy the new product right when it comes out within first 60-90 days of release, and to immediately take advantage of the performance... and not buying a performance computing product 6-18 months after release...

it sucks but thats the monopoly-effect we have to deal with...if another manufacturer had a 1080 sli 18.4" laptop with a clearly written spec and competitive pricing i would have bought it already, but as things are, the only choices today are to wait for msi to sort this out , buy the 17" clevo or wait on asus with the g800 which may also not be available till q1 2017 if they decide to include kaby lake

 

Hello,

I would be pushing for a class action lawsuit if we received anything less than a free GT73/GT83VR with the graphics card equivalent (eg, 980sli to 1080 sli). We bought upgrade able laptops. Apparently after MSI thirty lies they finally admit it's not upgrade able. We bought laptops with two generation upgrade capability, they must follow suit. The next generation is the GT83VR / GT73VR. If those are upgrade able we can then buy upgrade kits for those products, if not, we still one more generation upgrade of our promised two so send us the next equivlent. We can't keep feeling bad for MSI they made a promise, they follow through, or we can make them using the US Federal Court System. It is very fair.

 

Explain how this makes any sense, You bought an upgradeable laptop. Right? But why is MSI supposed to give you the upgrade for free?

IF the laptop was upgradeable as intended you would have to still buy the new cards, and possibly new cooling...

All MSI owes you is a path to pay for an upgrade for 2 generations preferably at the cost is SHOULD have been IF the upgrade were possible like intended... They don't owe you a entirely new product for free.

 

XoticPC, Gentech, iBuyPower and other vendors - have any of you reached out to MSI to see why you're reselling laptops for them that were not upgradable? Are they working with you at all?

 

See I just bought a GT80... I'm not worried about getting a 10 series. I'm more worried about the gen after that... I'm filling out the paperwork now because I have no other option... I feel like there are a lot more owners like me who were like "awesome I'll skip 10 and max out with 11 because of cost" that don't even know about this. I sent email's tweets and even started a thread on LTT forum to try to get some news coverage from the following sources...

Linus Tech Tips https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/652081-msi-gt80gt72-upgrade-major-news/
Barnaclese
JayzTwoCents
Awesome Sauce Network
Newegg
NCIX

 

OK, I can guarantee this guy works for MSI.

But anyways. My laptop that I bought was upgrade able OUT OF THE BOX. Any less and I would have not bought it. Them sending me a new one is the only correct way to process it. This is my only computer I cannot loose it even for a week (probably 100) if I tried trading it in.

 

I agree with this. I would never spend that on a laptop. I wouldn't even have spent as much as I did, if it wasn't for MSI's claim. 3k isn't bad if I can upgrade my GPU later, a year or more. Still cheaper than paying for another laptop. Processors are important but an i7 is an i7. I can live with a skylake for 2 years. It's not drastically effecting the performance of my game like my GPUs

 

I think some of you need to read this. I wrote this earlier but some of you are still going off about how we want free stuff. We don't want a path, we want an upgradable laptop, period.

 

Untrue. Sending you a new one is just giving you a free laptop. Although that would be great, you're not thinking from a business perspective. All they need to do is come up with a way for you to upgrade for the price / time that you would have originally upgraded had this never happened.

So, if two 1080 cards are 1500 - 2000 and you had planned on either upgrading as soon as they came out, or in my case a year from now, if they offer a trade in for 1500 - 2000 that lasts for a year or more to take advantage of (2 generations would be correct) then it's no different. In fact it's better for the customer because we're getting a whole new system rather than craking ours open and putting different parts in.

This is just the reality of the situation is. But..... I do hope for a new laptop. That would be great. But the offer above won't be leaving you with any grounds for a lawsuit. We really shouldn't be looking for free stuff, just for MSI to make good on their word, whatever that path may be.

Now if they tell me this program ends at the end of the year, then that's a different story, because they've then broken their word.

 

"I think some of you need to read this. I wrote this earlier but some of you are still going off about how we want free stuff. We don't want a path, we want an upgradable laptop, period."

we all want it dude. just some of us understand msi is not going to bankrupt themselves to make it work, since they depend on nvidia to do so, and nvidia screwed all of us. at this point i dont see any evidence that msi was intending to lie back in 2014, i cant really blame them directly for the crappy circumstance
this isnt oprah dude--- "look under your chair..you get a free laptop, you get a free laptop, everyone gets a free laptop!" .... not gona happened dude..

the new laptop gt83vr/ or 73vr or whatever, may not be upgradeable either if nvidia goes nvlink next year..nothing msi can do about it...noone would be in this position if nvidia had competitors, but ATI ain't what it used to be, and nvidia's tactics went unchecked for a better part of the decade..

best msi can do "realistically" is find some way for people to upgrade at least once to a new generation, this year or next- a compromise solution at best.

you do have the right to try for class action, and if you do i wish you luck in your endeavor.

 

So first you said we wanted free stuff? Then you say it's not MSI's fault and therefore is a lost cause for us. Then you go on to mock us like we're an Oprah audience. Why are you even posting here?

You really expect me to take you seriously with that metaphor or are you just trolling?

 

i am posting here because i am an MSI customer who has also filled out this application for an upgrade/trade-in so i have a vested interest in the outcome.

and worry about you taking me serious?

 

Well there you have it folks. I rest my case.

 

Im going to play devil's advocate here

Im sure that GT72/80 owners are a small enough % of MSI that if they just blatantly issued a recall and gave us all 83's It would not bankrupt them....

However
(devils advocate over)

They almost certainly wont do that, unless its either done as a publicity stunt to try to gain brand loyalty among all consumers... Or they are just feeling super generous... From a buisness and a legal standpoint... That is entirely un-necessacary

That being said
(Devil's Advocate Hat Back ON)

I can see the argument that "I bought a laptop that is supposed to be 2gen upgradeable. Its not, I want a laptop that is 2gen upgradeable" And if that laptop happens to be a newer version so be it.

Again...
(Devil's Advocate hat OFF)

You almost certainly wont win that argument in a courtcase because if MSI sais "we offer an upgrade path, its just not the expected upgrade path" by offering to replace your laptop for a fee near the sum of an upgrade... Most any judge in the US will find that "Sufficient" and "In the interest of both involved parties". Judges don't exist to give you perfect solutions... They make rulings based on whats sufficient to settle a dispute to the satisfaction of the law....

 

If what we want is not possible, what would you settle for? This is the other side of the balance that we need. There is a possibility that nothing can be done regarding upgradeability anymore. So what would it take for you to reach a satisfactory, or at least a less angry position?

 

Angry,

These dudes have got to be working for MSI, they are nothing more then rent-a-trolls sponsored by yours truly, MSI.

WE BOUGHT UPGRADE ABLE LAPTOPS. WE RECEIVED NON UPGRADE ABLE LAPTOPS. THE PRODUCT IS DEFECTIVE. We have two upgrade generations left as per promised by MSI. Send us the MSI GT83VR as the upgrade if you cannot upgrade mine out of its box. On the box it says upgradeable.

 

Maybe a calm approach to negotiating a resolution would be best.

Let's see what is offered before getting stressed and needing to type in capitals because we feel so strongly about it.

 

Not upgradable != defective

If so all laptops would be defective.

 

I still don't get how we've come to the point where MSI owes everyone a new machine at no cost, and everyone who disagrees or is confused by that is an MSI shill.

 

That's because it's the model we shaped our thinking around for the laptop purchase and long time service life of our laptop purchase.

If MSI had offered a "trade-in" program instead of the MXM upgrades, it's not something one would consider equivalent, or of *any* value.

At the time I would have thought MSI were trying to cash-in on my laptops residual value for themselves at the time of the trade-in. Just like I do now.

MSI needs to give us the Pascal / Volta MXM GPU upgrades that are compatible with our laptops as promised, that's the only model that is equivalent, and accepted at purchase.

 

Couldn't have said it better. I'm not willing to settle and I don't see why we should. There's nothing angry about not settling. It's MSI's problem, not ours.

 

if I were MSI: The following represent current model notebook GPU configs. Anything higher would have to cost something, but the free upgrades should be:

980 SLI -> 1070 SLI -> FREE

980 -> 1070 -> FREE

980M SLI -> 1080 single -> FREE or 1070 sli for small charge

980M -> 1070 -> FREE

970M -> 1060 -> FREE

 

this is sort of the core issue why there is apparent hostility in this thread-- who is "US" exactly who you are talking about hmscott? who is the "US" that accepted only that outcome which you list?


You sure aren't representing my interest with your words, which is why i feel i have to speak up for my own interest, by suggesting solutions which would be to my preference and liking, rather than your proposed solution.


i appreciate you starting the thread for an open discussion, but imho you dont speak for everyone who owns a machine which came with a promise ot upgrade gpu, so when you use "US" its a bit misleading imho....
and when i request a different solution/outcome i get labeled an msi cronie..hmmmm

maybe by "US" is you mean yourself, peanut and onlysli?

 

do not give them any suggestion, they may turn it against us. I'm waiting for the "stroke of genius" with which they'll come out. Almost forgetting that, however, it will only be for the United States.

 

I updated it lol...basically sli systems would pay the same as single systems with the same gpu.

 

Please redo. There's no 1060 sli

 

980 SLI -> 1070 SLI -> FREE

980 -> 1070 -> FREE

980M SLI -> 1080 single -> FREE or 1070 sli for small charge

980M -> 1070 -> FREE

970M -> 1060 -> FREE

 

I expect a tier like this. That would be ideal. But in reality add 1000 to everything. And being it's a "trade in" program, much like cars, older models aren't worth as much. So add more if you're running a gt80 broadwell setup.

 

Yeah, I know it wont happen. But like I said, let our wallets take revenge if we get screwed from MSI. I would be willing to bet that in order for them to make up for the false promise, they will need to eat some cost here. My chart is unfair to 980 / 980sli owners too, we get the same free upgrade as 980m owners. It will be a pain to make a program that wont pi** everyone off lol

 

980m to 1080 - small charge.


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but then single 980 to 1080 should be...free? lol. See my dilemma

 

I bought a machine with the best graphics card available at the time I want to upgrade to the best available, I'm happy to pay for the upgrade or equivalent amount for an upgraded machine.

980 dt edition to 1080 should incur a smaller fee than 980m to 1080. Reasonable?


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I haven't read through all this but one thing is for sure, don't expect ANYTHING to be free. Come on guys be real here, the people from 800 series had to pay for an upgrade kit and they were promised upgradability too. Same applies to us, we will pay for our upgrade, its the only logical thing.


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I think the key thing here is to allow everyone to ask for what they believe they deserve as compensation for their loss.

MSI can decide what to do, and each of us can accept their offer, or find other means to get the originally promised "2 generations" of GPU upgrades.

Trying to pass judgement on each others individual requests is doing MSI's job for them.

No need to help MSI by giving things away that aren't ours to do so - other people's needs from their point of view.

MSI is a big corporation and they can choose to do the right thing, or find an equivalent that works for all parties - good luck with that.

MSI needs to start somewhere coming up with a solution that applies to every owner that was promised the "2 generations" of MXM GPU upgrades.

Who knows, maybe the whole "2 generations" of GPU upgrades idea started with MSI USA, and some other regions and MSI Global went along with it?

I tend to think it started from MSI Global and worked it's way outwards, but I don't know for sure.

Either way, all of "us" that were promised "2 generations" of MXM GPU upgrades deserve them, or personally acceptable compensation, as we all personally made the decision to put out lots of $XXXX's buying in to MSI's promises.

If you didn't expect the "2 generations" of GPU upgrades, and your region wasn't advertising that offer when you purchased, and you didn't reasonably expect that offer to apply to you in the future, you are free to move about the cabin - and I would still ask.

 

I'm wondering how MSI is going to actually facilitate this. They're not a retailer, they only sell to retailers. They don't even have an online store. How are they going to deal with a few thousand people calling and doing tendered transactions? It almost seems easier to just take and give new laptops unless they set it up through a vender that's equipped to do POS transactions.

I would expect MSI to drop a list of every model applicable and what it's individual "trade in credit" is worth and you'd be able to put that toward a new laptop, or any MSI merch I would imagine. But they have no real way of doing that.

Anyone seen something like this done before?

 

MSI did it before with the GT683. I wasn't an MSI user back then. Maybe someone here recalls how it worked?

https://www.msimobile.com/tradeinprogram/


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This was the GT683 Trade In Program.

I expect them to just copypasta this form and change the name.