GT72S 6QE 980m upgrade to 1070?

Can anyone please verify with me that this can or cannot be done...it seems the gt72vr with the 1070 is the same as the gt72s but msi claims that the motherboard in the gt72vr is very different and the gt72s will not accept any 10 cards....but i mean...bringing the past into this, i would never have thought that the old as hell alienware m17x r4 that i had would accept a 970m or 980m when they started with the 7970m and 680m it needs modified drivers and all, but it still works...so is anyone able to give me a clear answer? i dont expect one..but would really love one..

 

There are a few in another forum that have installed the GTX1060 without issues but requires heat sink mod or a gt72vr heatsink. The fans are the same. There are others that have installed the GTX1070 but have issues on booting with graphical output. So it seems it is possible to upgrade to pascal. After all ivy bridge and has well GT70s have upgraded to the GTX1060 fine.

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I question whether I can upgrade a 980M to 1060 GTX with GT72 2QE, it is an option if I decide not do take the GT trade up offer I get once MSI responds back

 

I think the 1070 comes in two sizes, one that will fit for the GT72 which is the same size as the 1060 and 9xxM series, then theres one thats the same size as the 1080 that are on the GT73VR. You may have to mod some stuff as well as having a certain vbios to make it run. Havent really looked much into it. If upgrading is not an option for you, I would look into getting an egpu. MSI will be releasing one soon (GUS) as well as other brands like Akitio Node 3 where you can use the Thunderbolt port and hooking up an external desktop GPU.

 

From what i have researched and asked around, a 1070 will fit and work okay, ill just need to mod the inf, and get a proper heatsink.

 

Well i am not taking the trade and will be Upgrading from the GTX970m to a GTX1060 it will work so long as you mod the Heatsink or get one that fits correctly. There has been a few GT72's upgraded to the 1060 without issues.

 

I am still waiting on the reply back w the MSI offer, honestly i can choose to wait and continue using my laptop until i can find a correct and cheap enough 1060 or 1070 and some decent instructions to assist from those who have done it. The fact is that MSI has neutered the equivalent versions of the new 6 series and i am not willing to spend large to get the 73VR Dom Pro Tobi or whatever it is w only 2 M.2, i want switchable graphics, the i7 5700HQ I have , Thunderbolt, super raid ability.... Blah blah blah

Next time it may just be Eurocomm for me

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73VR has 3 M.2 slots total. I think it has switchable to on the 73VR. However if your talking a 72vr that only has 1 m.2 with tb3 raid and mux ripped out. I will be doing the same last MSI laptop I am getting or system product with there name on it. Been looking a eurocomm myself might be the next company I will try however one will need to visit the street corner in order to afford one.

 

@Sup3rKillaX , I am, all over this and I would be happy with a 1060 alone if it is decent savings over a 1070. So one needs to source out a gt72vr heatsink first right, and bios mods required? I am just gonna need some step by step help to pull this off but longer msi takes odds are I wont trade up as I want my 4 M.2 slots so I can run 2 raid 0 arrays as I am . The read / write speeds I am getting are solid enough at 1100/1200

 

MSi previously put out before the 10 series NVidia GPU's came out that the previous gen models would be upgradeable to the next generation of GPU's but this did not occur and is typical for manufactures to change their mind at the last minute in situations like this. You cannot upgrade to a 1070 or any 10 series GPU in this model and as a result of this last year MSi offered a trade-in program for your model to the new GT72vr model with 1070 GPU. It maybe worth a shot to see if is MSi still offering this or not.

 

Looks like a lot of manufacturers have gone anti-consumer and made upgrading impossible with the the release of Pascal.

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Not sure they went anti consumer, but I am curious as to why they did this, was it at NVidia's direction from political pressure or some contract or was it because the costs in doing what we've already done too high vs profits etc...

I think, personally, the whole MXM design was a nice idea, but increases cost, and was really nothing but a niche market for the larger companies, but this is my personal opinion. I would like to be wrong.

 

They potentially created the situation themselves ! Pretend upgrade is impossible for BS reasons, then "offer" a trade-in program to either sell you downgrade laptop (GT72VR) or overpriced "upgrade that you don't need" laptop (GT73VR but of course to screw us without Blu-ray drive) ! This is a scandal when you now see proofs that physically everything fits for a 1070 in a GT72 and that a simple driver mod make it work ! Chassis is compatible, PSU is compatible, screen is compatible, driver is compatible, I guess UEFI update would make the driver mod useless but guess what : MSI choose to screw us !

 

Yeah, except the biggest issue with this is the list of people (me included) that got accepted into the trade-in program and then had MSI totally cut communication altogether. I've been emailing them since December 3rd and all I've ever received in response is a single "Welcome to the trade-in program, here is a spreadsheet of trade-in options, reply with your answer to these 4 questions". I don't know how many times they expect me to continually email them with the answers to those questions, but apparently I haven't hit that magic number yet over the past 5 months.

 

Since my previous post it seems things have changed some, they did respond to the few requests we made around the time but I haven't really had contact with them on the issue since.

 

Just updating this for @cisco kidd and anyone else that was thinking on manual upgrading without trade in, GT72-6QD upgrade to GTX 1060 does work as i have done the MXM upgrade and using it right now.

MXM Card and GT72VR GPU Heatsink was all that was needed for mine as the connecting block from the GPU to the CPU was compatible.

For the GT72-2Qx you'd need to mod the GPU heatsink on the system to make it fit with the GTX 1060 MXM Module.

However you loose G-Sync due to the System Bios not having the device ID in the Gsync Cookie License and you have to mod the Nvidia driver to get the driver to install.

It works well in the system, I have had only it once go over 100 watt during my benchmark runs but its now stays below 100 watts on the MXM slot with the Boost clock going upto 1911mhz.

Here is the Proof

CPU/GPUZ Screen Shot: https://1drv.ms/i/s!As5OYvCszQehka4zlHySwthGXhLGTQ
3DMark FireStrike (Stock Fan Curve): https://1drv.ms/i/s!As5OYvCszQehka4y_0Dpn5EMjgIF8w
3DMark TimeSpy (Stock Fan Curve): https://1drv.ms/i/s!As5OYvCszQehka4tCiltJ41s3P7Umg
Heaven Benchmark (Stock Fan Curve): https://1drv.ms/i/s!As5OYvCszQehka45olXxBWlc_tSe_w
Valley Benchmark (Stock Fan Curve): https://1drv.ms/i/s!As5OYvCszQehka42sbvcW4r4rGWPdA
3DMark Vantage (Stock Fan Curve): https://1drv.ms/i/s!As5OYvCszQehka4xrOpLMRtTc3diMw
CineBench R15 (Stock Fan Curve): https://1drv.ms/i/s!As5OYvCszQehka4q7NqedIWeMF2jHA

To validate my claim here is my system info

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System Information
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Serial Number: 9S7178****48ZFA******
Product Name: GT72
OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Windows Product Key: 3V66T
HDI Build: non-OEM
BIOS Version: E1782IMS.11D
BIOS Release Date: 2016/10/14
EC Version: 1782EMS1.1091106201514:23:24
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz
Memory: 32 GB @ 1066 MHz
- 8192 MB, DDR4-2133, SK Hynix HMA41GS6AFR8N-TF
- 8192 MB, DDR4-2133, SK Hynix HMA41GS6AFR8N-TF
- 8192 MB, DDR4-2133, SK Hynix HMA41GS6AFR8N-TF
- 8192 MB, DDR4-2133, SK Hynix HMA41GS6AFR8N-TF
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, 6144 MB
VBIOS Version: 86.06.1f.00.05
Network: Killer Wireless-n/a/ac 1535 Wireless Network Adapter
Network: Killer E2400 Gigabit Ethernet Controller


I have stared out most of the serial but its enough to prove that it can be done.

 

@hacktrix2006, awesome work man and thanks for the update. I dis not follow up on thread since i submitted my GT trade in and have new GT73VR.

I figured since I bought my GT72 2QE off ebay as a refurb and only got 6 mths warranty i would give the trade up a go dor the newer specs vs my 5th gen and to have a full 27 mths warranty upon registering. I went with the GTX 1070 option and 7820HK w 120hz panel. I retained mxm and gained DDR4 and NVME support, kept raid as well, cost was $800 and value given on trade in was basically what i paid for it.

Solid job on your upgrade! Shows it can be done.

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@cisco kidd It can be done, wished i had the money for the GTX 1070 to test that as well. Only thing i lost was G-Sync which can be easy to gain back if MSI was to issue a new BIOS with an updated G-Sync License which i very much doubt that will happen ever.

 

@hacktrix2006 : impressive How about the heatsink ? It's a little hard to deal with right ?

 

For my version of the GT72-6QD it was a simple case of buying the GT72VR-6RD GPU Heatsink and replacing the GTX 970m heatsink. No fuss no issues. However i do know that the GT72-2Qx series laptops will need either a GT72-6Qx series / GT72VR-6RD / GT72VR-6RE CPU heatsink as the bridge between the GPU Memory/VRM's to the CPU is not compatible with the GT72-2Qx CPU heatsink. other then that it was pretty straight forward for me. I have a youtube video up showing my upgrade. However i have done MXM Upgrades before so have a little experience.

 

dont you have the 72VR heatsink anymore ?

 

I am using the GT72VR heatsink for GPU yes. If you have a GT72 skylake system no need for CPU heatsink mods its install card and GPU heatsink and off to the races. If you have a GT72 has well/broad well CPU heatsink needs a modding session.

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@ hacktrix2006: Could you post link to your video and indicate what you modded in the Nvidia driver ?
Thanks

 

Here is link: https://1drv.ms/f/s!As5OYvCszQehkcUw4sw26rsaGnI3DQ that's for the latest driver GTX 1060 mxm nodded for 10DE 1C60 1462 11FF. I can edit the file for GTX 1070 so long as you post screenshot of gpu-z.

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I just got the gtx 1070 card. Only waiting for the 72vr's heatsink. @hacktrix2006: could you explain please why is it necessary using gpu-z, or how to modding the driver? I just want a little bit know about it before I begin the upgrade

 

Reason I ask for the GPUZ screen is to see if the card is detecting correctly. It also gives me the device ID that I then add to a modded inf file which will then allow the driver to detect the card. Although the GPU's in GT72VR's or other VR laptops from MSI use the same GPU the systems produce a totally different ID. A good example was with my GTX1060 upgrade in my laptop it reported 10DE 1C60 1462 11FF but in a GT72VR with the same GPU it would report 10DE 1C60 1462 11AF. In the normal nvidia driver 11AF ID is there but not the 11FF so I had to add that in before the nvidia installer would did the card and install.

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Thank you, now I got it as a little. So, in that modified driver, what have you linked here ( https://1drv.ms/f/s!As5OYvCszQehkcUw4sw26rsaGnI3DQ) all I have to do is add my laptop ID in that driver and that's it?

 

If you are using GTX1070 or GTX1060 I have added a very IDs in already

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I using gtx1070. When I have the ID can you help with modding?

 

If the ID is not already in the modded file I will just update it and let you know when you can download the file again.

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Awesome. Thanks. I hope it's would be work.

 

I did the upgrade with 1070 card. After restarting the display is vibrating. I have no idea what's wrong. The modified driver is not yet installed. What have I do? Please help!

 

Looks like you have a G-Sync enabled card, when I tested a 1070 on my GT72 2QE it also vibrated, I didn't install any drivers, was just test fitting it and seeing if the laptop would even boot.
Install the drivers and that should go away.

 

but there is an issue with my driver. I can't isn't all it i think there isnt my id

 

You need to mod the .inf's so that the drivers will install, there are a couple tutorials on this forums and at techinferno, I have done it a couple times for other laptops following the tutorials, its relatively easy to do.

 

Or GPU-Z screenshot and ask nicely it might get added to the modded inf I do for each new driver.

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I have done the modding myself on the 382.53 driver. Its everything works fine now. I am only interested, how much *C do you have on the full load gpu. I have 82-85*C. I have realized, the cooling system is much louder after the upgrade, and its working more. This is on the 50% load:
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/17/06/29/p4n.png
Is that okey?

 

My 1060 Tops out at 75-79c on full load. My suggestion is to look on Msi's forum for an application called Silent Option. Install that and set the fans to advance, then setup a custom fan curve as MSI's auto fan curve stops around 50% speeds. I can give you my custom curve when I get back got to get ready for some blood tests.

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Thanks for your advice. I will try it.

 

anyone's have an idea what a hell is that song?

 

There's fan noise and coil whine.

 

Which is normal BTW.

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Okay, i find the source of the noise. When i plug out the charger, or lover the the core clock/memory clock of the gpu, or change the performance level in the gaming center its generate the noise. Anyone have an idea what should i do with this?

 

When the core frequency is reduced it usually can reduce/eliminate the noise, and this can be achieved with disconnecting AC adapter which caused the system to run off battery. You can try setting your CPU utilization to 99% in Power Options.

 

And what is with the gtx 1080 card? Is it work with the gt72?

 

Short answer is this a GTX 1070 is already pushing the limits of not only the PSU but the MXM slot at GTX 1080 will simply not work or be so crippled by the lack of power it would be a expensive GTX 1070 speeds.

Only GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 will work within the TDP limits of the laptop.

 

We have standard MXM3.0b 82x105mm GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 available. TDP of 1060 is 75W, TDP of 1070 is 115W. So thermal spec wise they are the same as GTX 970M and 980M. In order for 10 series GPUs to work you need to have either eDP LCD panel or Optimus based laptop.

 

What about europe? Do you have any shops you work with to which a laptop could be send for gpu upgrades ? I have a GT72S I would love to upgrade with a 1070.
I am assuming the upgrade kits can be ordered here in the eu since I saw the prices in euros as well.

 

We ship worldwide so you can order directly via our website upgrade section.

 

What is required to successfully run 1070 in gt72s 6qf?

My gt72s:


gt72vr 1070:


I mean cooling looks identical, right?
What about gsync? I've read different reports, some people lose it, others retain it.