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    GT780R and GT683R already available in GentechPC, Finally!

    Discussion in 'MSI' started by ryzeki, Apr 26, 2011.

  1. Iceflare16

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    Ah i see. Definately worth the extra dollars then. I keep returning to that page, everytime i look at it i want to add to cart.
     
    Iceflare16, May 3, 2011
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  2. Cloudfire

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    Yeah i know. I have no idea what the LED screen, fan, ODD and memory use though. But they must have tested it to ensure that is enough power
     
    Cloudfire, May 3, 2011
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  3. Riddhy916

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    gtx 560 is it a 128 bit 192 core? or an oced gtx 470m? i hope the latter it will give tremendous value
     
    Riddhy916, May 3, 2011
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  4. holliday777

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    holliday777, May 3, 2011
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  5. blacklight186

    blacklight186 Notebook Consultant

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    I think TDP does equal power consumption:
    Tutorial: What is the Thermal Design Power (TDP)? - Geeks3D.com

    However, I'm confused by this. Another laptop I was looking at - Sager 8130 (P151HM) - comes with Nvidia 460M GPU and Sandy Bridge CPU and is powered by a 120W adapter :S... The TDP of 460M is around 72.5 Watts...
     
    blacklight186, May 3, 2011
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  6. niffcreature

    niffcreature ex computer dyke

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    I saw that. I'm seriously considering buying from you.

    I heard that their barebone unit was discontinued, do you know anything about this?
    I thought the ms-16f1 was released in china.
     
    niffcreature, May 3, 2011
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  7. Iceflare16

    Iceflare16 Notebook Guru

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    Removed from website?
     
    Iceflare16, May 3, 2011
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  8. SoundOf1HandClapping

    SoundOf1HandClapping Was once a Forge

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    Justin of Xotic made this post a while back. I'm assuming GenTech has the same issue.
     
    SoundOf1HandClapping, May 3, 2011
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  9. Xonar

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    Nope, check out this page.
     
    Xonar, May 3, 2011
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  10. Genna

    Genna Notebook Evangelist

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    TDP is usually 20% - 30% lower than the CPU maximum power dissipation. ( here)
     
    Genna, May 4, 2011
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  11. robm@rkcomputer.net

    [email protected] Company Representative

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    The barebone was not discontinued, they just arrived a few weeks ago. The MS-16F2 is a current model, MSI just added it to their whitebook site last night:

    MSI Notebook Product Specifications
     
    [email protected], May 4, 2011
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  12. AsusS

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    Thanks cheers once it is available i shall buy it from you also this gives me time to sell my other 2 machines off to reduce the cost of buying my new machine :).

    CHEERS.
     
    AsusS, May 4, 2011
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  13. GenTechPC

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    GTX560M is NDA but the page should be back very soon. :)
     
    GenTechPC, May 4, 2011
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  14. blacklight186

    blacklight186 Notebook Consultant

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    Xonar, if you read the text at the link you posted:
    "The TDP is typically not the most power the chip could ever draw, such as by a power virus, but rather the maximum power that it would draw when running "real applications". This ensures the computer will be able to handle essentially all applications without exceeding its thermal envelope, or requiring a cooling system for the maximum theoretical power "

    TDP gives a fairly good idea of the maximum power used by the item under use by real applications and even gaming. Maybe if it is affected by a virus or some anomaly (perhaps furmark?), it can exceed the TDP but those shouldn't be considered in normal use.

    The other issue - You and Genna are trying to add up the watts of CPU and Gpu and saying the adapter is underrated. I gave the example of Sager 8130 where I added the TDP of Cpu and Gpu and got the rating of the adapter (120 Watts). There must be something else the manufacturers consider when sizing the adapter rating (I also do not know).
     
    blacklight186, May 5, 2011
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  15. blacklight186

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    Genna, I'll give you another link: Wikipedia Link.

    "Datasheets normally contain the thermal design power (TDP), which is the maximum amount of power the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate. Both Intel and Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) have defined TDP as the maximum power consumption for thermally significant periods running worst-case non-synthetic workloads."

    Please see my previous post also.
     
    blacklight186, May 5, 2011
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  16. Genna

    Genna Notebook Evangelist

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    @ blacklight186
    ... and why didn't you quote the next sentence?
    "Thus, TDP is not the actual maximum power of the processor." ;)

    but, anyhow ... this is off this topic :)
     
    Genna, May 5, 2011
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  17. Kdawgca

    Kdawgca rotaredoM repudrepuS RBN

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    Kdawgca, May 6, 2011
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  18. AsusS

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    Hi i see the new models are up but i have gone ahead and decided on a new kobalt laptop cheers.

    Sorry for being slightly off topic cheers have a nice day.
     
    AsusS, May 9, 2011
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  19. Iceflare16

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    Yay it's back up! Any news on a barebone?
     
    Iceflare16, May 11, 2011
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  20. GenTechPC

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    The barebone will have completely different spec such as NV GT520M and ATI 5730 on 17".
     
    GenTechPC, May 12, 2011
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  21. Genna

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    Hm... this means that for sure it will run ATI 6970 ... barebone is the truth.

    Take it, get rid of that crappy video, insert the Real Killer (6970), have fun :)
     
    Genna, May 12, 2011
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  22. Iceflare16

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    Well that blows, how much is it the barebone?
     
    Iceflare16, May 12, 2011
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  23. arikere

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    I remember seeing the barebone for around $780...dont remember where though
     
    arikere, May 12, 2011
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    Is there a run down on the upgrades that were made with this new model?
     
    Chipper57, May 12, 2011
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  25. Iceflare16

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    Well if said, 6970 does truly fit in this monster, how much does the 6970 run for?
     
    Iceflare16, May 13, 2011
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  26. blacklight186

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    Guys, I doubt this laptop will be able to handle the 6970M... Is the 150W PSU sufficient?

    6970M is currently offered on Sager models 8150 and 8170 which have 180W and 220W PSU's respectively...
     
    blacklight186, May 15, 2011
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  27. GenTechPC

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    I don't think 150W is sufficient, it's better go with 180W.


    Also MSI change the specs for GT780R, it's now 16GB of RAM instead of 12GB.
     
    GenTechPC, May 16, 2011
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  28. SoundOf1HandClapping

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    Oh, that's sexy. Now only if there's news on GPU upgrades...
     
    SoundOf1HandClapping, May 16, 2011
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  29. blacklight186

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    Sounds good Ken! :)... Just to clarify, if we go for DDR3 1600 Mhz, we need a minimum CPU of 2720QM?
     
    blacklight186, May 17, 2011
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  30. GenTechPC

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    That is correct, i7-2630QM only support up to 1333MHz, so even you put 1600MHz RAM it'll still says you have 1333MHz.
     
    GenTechPC, May 17, 2011
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  31. dave-p

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    So is the GT683R going to come in a bare bones option ?
     
    dave-p, May 18, 2011
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  32. GenTechPC

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    The barebone still GTX460M but I can ask them again tomorrow to see if they have any updates.
     
    GenTechPC, May 18, 2011
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  33. Iceflare16

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    Any links to pre-order a barebone?
     
    Iceflare16, May 18, 2011
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  34. dave-p

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    Thanks for that

    also was wondering if the barebone can be configured with the matt display instead of the glossy ?
     
    dave-p, May 18, 2011
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  35. Automatikjack

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    Things are looking pretty good on this new laptop.

    About the minimum processor requirement for 1333mhz ram. Gen you said that it'll still show the ram as 1066 as 1333 even if you don't have the 2630?

    I'm guessing that its forcing the ram to run at a higher speed to get it up to 1333? Sounds like a bios bug... I've never heard of a processor with a minimum requirement for ram speed.

    Also can we confirm that theres 4 slots for ram on this laptop?! Thats insane if thats the case.

    This machine may slowly be pushing me away from my dream of a modded GX740. Even though I hate 16:9 with a passion.
     
    Automatikjack, May 18, 2011
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  36. blacklight186

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    The two RAM options available are 1333 MHz RAM and 1600 MHz RAM. The 2630 can only handle upto 1333 MHz RAM. If you install 1600 MHz, it will appear and function as 1333 MHz RAM (downclocked)

    Yup there are 4 RAM slots :)...
     
    blacklight186, May 18, 2011
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  37. Automatikjack

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    Oh wow, fail, that'll teach me to skim through instead of reading something properly, could've sworn it said 1066. I clearly have not met my coffee quota for the day lol.

    I wonder how these laptops will fare with overclocking. I know MSI's have generally been great in that area, but this new processor will be interesting to push. Anyone get a chance to see the bios yet? I'm curious if its gonna be the same limited bios as usual. Or if we might get another Alt+Insert, or something even closer to a regular bios.

    We need to get someone also to check and see if this laptop has the same manual fan speed control option as the 660 (I think it was), since that will definitely allow us to oc the hell out of these processors.
     
    Automatikjack, May 18, 2011
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  38. zack3421

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    I'm Gonna sell My GX660r...and come up with the extra money for the GT780r...Its Beautiful :)


    MSI GX660R: i7 740m, 12GB DDR3 1333mhz, 2x320GB RAID 0, Mobility Radeon HD5870 15.6'' 1920x1080, 2.1 Dynaudio Sound System Blu-Ray
     
    zack3421, May 18, 2011
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  39. Quadzilla

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    Yeah the GT780R is very nice looking and a HUGE step up from anything i have seen from MSI.

    Very classy looking and decently priced for the specs as well.

    Whats the current official release date ? Still mid May?(now) or has it moved further away to June ?.
     
    Quadzilla, May 18, 2011
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  40. Bearclaw

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    ignore pl0x.
     
    Bearclaw, May 18, 2011
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  41. Quadzilla

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    So it is currently available but only with the 460m ?. Yeah forget that noise.

    Already had to many machines with 5870s and 460ms so there is no way i can take that step backwards again ..

    560m should be close to the 470mGTX from what i have heard which puts it a notch above the 5870m atleast ..

    I am talking stock clocks here not overclocked since i know 460 owners get a bit touchy on the whole 5870 vs 460 debacle :).
     
    Quadzilla, May 18, 2011
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  42. blacklight186

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    It's shipping with the 560m :)... I had earlier made a thread reg. 460m vs 560m here...

    As for release date, I'm hearing from the resellers that it should release by the end of this month...
     
    blacklight186, May 18, 2011
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  43. Quadzilla

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    Talk about conflicting info lol..

    Anyhow i guess a reseller will chime in with official info sooner or later :).
     
    Quadzilla, May 18, 2011
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  44. blacklight186

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    Bearclaw, where did you get this info? Every reseller page lists the GPU on this laptop as 560m or 5x0m...
     
    blacklight186, May 18, 2011
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  45. Bearclaw

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    Sorry got this mixed up with the GT680R which is 460M and GX780 which is GT 555M lol.
     
    Bearclaw, May 18, 2011
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  46. blacklight186

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    No problem... Cheers! :)
     
    blacklight186, May 18, 2011
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  47. midzi

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    midzi, May 19, 2011
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  48. GenTechPC

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    Confirmed with MSI, they will have barebone with GTX560M sometimes in July.
     
    GenTechPC, May 19, 2011
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  49. SoundOf1HandClapping

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    But the question is, will GenTech have the barebones?

    Nice avatar, by the way, Ken,
     
    SoundOf1HandClapping, May 19, 2011
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  50. GenTechPC

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    Yes we will, thanks Forge. :)
     
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