MS16F2 along GTX580M (dell, rev3)

Some reason I can't find a link to these scores but I got 14547 at 620 core, 750 memory, 1240 shader. The cpu is where it should be now.

 

Told you well done mate.

Coud you please run 3dmark11 and vantage @ stock and overclocked and show me your temps please ? I'd like to see if the mods I have done on the back panel along the RAM heatsinks has made cooling better

 

Next thing is, cpu temp shows in there as 96, seems high. Wonder if I need to check and make sure thermal paste was applied properly. I saw yours went no higher than 89.

 

96 is a bit too high, let's re-paste it and let me know your temps

 

Funny, got the link to my stock score. Must have been too early this morning.

Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2820QM Processor,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-1761 score: P14547 3DMarks

Will re-paste here in the next day or two, then post stock and overclock with temps screen shot.

Went ahead and ordered some new .5 thermal pad to replace the small 1mm pad I used for the extra chips on the 580.

I have yet to add thermal pad to the back of the 580 as I do not have any that would stick to the back of the card and there is enough space where the thermal pad would just drop between the video card and the motherboard.

What temperature monitoring software did you use paul1ow?

 

tony,

What I have done, is using only 0.5mm thermal pads and as one part of the heatsink was slightly too high, I didn't put any pads on it but a thermal paste drop. Now the copper heatsink sits perfectly onto the thermal paste and the die which ensures very good cooling.
Using the 1mm pads will rise slightly the copper and in my opinion could be less effective.

I used Phobya 5w/mk thermal pads which has some adhesive so they sticked perfectly to the back of the card and I can tell you, even though I am using the msi black plate, there's enough room to fit 1 layer of pads even more...

Regarding the temps monitor, I advise you to use HWinfo64 and launch it ticking "Sensor-only" and leave it during your tests. Then close it and re-open to reset temps

 

they just added a new stable version with a reset button so you no longer have to quit and restart the program.

 

There is no backplate on my gpu, I took pictures and can post them later, which is why I stuck with the same set up as my 570m. Sounds like they've changed the design a bit.

 

I said black plate not backplate not to mix up with Dell backplate for instance This is something which apparently was supplied by MSI in their old setups but they put an end to that. It adds some stifness to the GPU frame and if you have thick pads, you can fit some between this black plate and the card to cool down its back.
Anyway it doesnt make any difference to me, I had it with my heatsink so just put it.

Thanks dragon for the details!

 

And I wasn't trying to be difficult, I get a little sticky on details and try to define them as much as possible. I guess I like examples and try to duplicate them as much as possible, since the 570 and 580 are so identical (other than the 570 is a strip down version of the 580), seems like the cooling was identical. The thermal block it attaches to is made for the two extra chips that are missing in the 570, like they made the thermal block ahead of time for both models instead of making two different types, just add the extra thermal pad.

 

Definitely true Exactly same cooling system between 570 and 580m.

I have just added the thermal modifications shown on the 1st post (ram heatsinks, additional holes for fan and ram heatsink to drag heat away, extra thermal pads at the back, good thermal paste.

Will re-do the thermal pads and paste for my cpu this weekend as I think 0.5mm is the way to go (rather than 1mm)

 

My laptop arrived yesterday. So far, my stock graphics score for 3DMark Vantage is around 12,500. The max temp has been 82°C.

What's weird is that my core/shader clocks are locked at 575/1150; even though GPU-Z and nVIDIA System Tools reports they're at 620/1240.

So I guess, I've yet to see my actual "stock" score.

 

wow nice setup =)

 

Alright, I got the clocks unlocked.

So my graphics score for 3DMark Vantage at stock clocks is 13,230.

The overall score is lower because of my CPU:
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i5-2430M Processor,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-16F2 score: P11849 3DMarks

Edit: Tried some overclocking. So far, 15,622 is my highest GPU score, and my highest temp is still 82°C:
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i5-2430M Processor,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-16F2 score: P13219 3DMarks

I'll see what happens after my new CPU arrives, and after I might try an overvolt.

 

Your 580M is from MSI right ? Why it doesnt show up neither on 3dmark display..have you struggled to install the drivers?

 

Yeh, I've had to use modded drivers, and I had to mod a set of modded drivers.

Seems MSI's 580M is not in nVIDIA's drivers yet.

 

Do you guys use throttle stop all the time or just for testing? And does throttle stop need to be started every time (every boot) in order to work?

 

Yep it has to be started everytime in order to work.

Place the shortcut of the Throttlestop.exe in your Startup folder and it will start automatically when windows boots.

 

Temps look better, going to replace that one gpu thermal pad that I think is 1mm, re-pasted the cpu just a little bit ago. What gpu speeds are you going to leave yours at for every day use?

 

hopefully you can read those screen shots, but cpu never went over 89 and gpu never went over 86, I used your speeds in your first post, 14657 vantage at stock, 16501 with 720x1660 gpu and 17247 with 750x1800 gpu.

 

Have you somehow changed your CPU ? Can I ask why

Will check your screens but they are quite small, best thing is to upload them in high resolution and post them as thumbnail

All right, seems that during your Vantage score @ 720/1660, your max temp hit 84 degrees whereas mine was 77. Have you used turbo boost fan for the test ? (Mine doesnt have the feature)

I didnt try 750/1800 for Vantage yet but will have a look this weekend. Overvolting is also planned

 

Yes, changed to 2860, found one for a descent price, sold mine already, little bit of money difference, just being nuts I guess...kind of like going from a 570m to 580m.

I did not use the turbo fan for testing, no cooling pad and was running on my desktop this morning in a cubicle (probably limited air circulation).

I added the shortcut to the start up menu, going to find a happy medium to run the gpu at for every day use and probably call it good.

I'll test the gpu temps again when I get the .5mm thermal pad, see if it drops some.

I'm thinking your modifications are helping the temps out some.

I'll have to play with posting them as thumbnails after work this evening, maybe i'll post them again so you can actually see them...

 

I am not actually user a proper cooling pad but I could.
Will overvolt later on, keep you posted/

So far, very nice setup.

 

lol why are you showing pictures of your 570m ?

Anyway, just re-pasted CPU and changed its pads. Now temps look good.
Max temps under BF3 @ 740/1700 = 82CPU / 77GPU
Max temps under Vantage @ 740/1700 = 80CPU / 77GPU

All screens updated !

 

That's some decent temps you have! Nice job! Congrats mate!

 

Pau1ow, I wanted to show what the stock pads were like on the 570m. I actually just used the same pads from the 570m on the 580m, except added a 1mm to the two extra chips (which as previously discussed, going to replace with .5mm). So you stuck with .5mm thermal pads?

The finned heat sinks and the thermal pad you used on the back of the video card, any suggestions where to get those? Tempted to add them (surprised there is enough room for them) to see if it drops temps. Really don't want to put anything really permanent such as a thermal cement that you can't get off also.

 

Looks like the new CPU (2920XM ES) makes a pretty big difference:
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Genuine Intel(R) CPU 0 @ 2.40GHz,Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. MS-16F2 score: P17179 3DMarks

My max GPU temp also went up to 84°C.

 

Didn't realize turbo fan does make a difference



Definately kind of loud though

 

Yep I told you it does make a significant difference for the only reason that it prevents the temps of GPU and CPU to climb up as mine will actually sit pretty quickly to the max temps and then get regulated
Only drawback is that it is really loudy. Nice temp you have now

I am overvolting now, keep you posted.

edit:
Overvolting @ 0.92V
775/1800

http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3834066
Max peak power: 195W


http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2597113
Max peak power: 182W

Max Temps increased under 3dmarkVantage: CPU has still low temps but GPU temps rose from 77°C to 82°C max.

 

Getting hard to get past that 17k mark with vantage. Not sure what else I can do to cool my cpu and gpu down or if they are acceptable range.

 

Grats on the 17k guys
Been watching closely on all the modifcations and benchmarking, finally showing potential!

Check this out though, can your 580M stomach it: http://forum.notebookreview.com/att...ware-m17x-benchmark-thread-part-4-capture.jpg

@tonyjanderson1 how much did you pay for the 2860QM? I just sold my OEM 2860QM yesterday for £330

Anyhow, I can push my CPU up to 29k CPU score on 4.4ghz but my 6990M always lets me down with a 16k GPU score, leaving me with overall of 17k - I may hit 18k if it was colder outside :/ I wish that card could be overvolted like the 5870M could.

 

GeoCake, 386 pounds but it was brand new in the intel box (first one I've seen and with the box version, three year warranty). Even more funny, you'll see my post out there, but it had a warning that it was for the G1 socket.

I have yet to do the .92v mod. Not sure I will yet but I think I want to replace that thermal pad before I go much further.

 

GeoCake,

First of all, I will never be able to reach this score as:
a) I only got a 180w adapter
b) I don't have a unlocked bios neither a XM chip to get 30K CPU

Got 17K GPU Vantage score at 800/1800 and temps are pretty amazing but power peaks reached 207W.

I will just try to overclock to the same clocks as a 560TI (822/2004) and see what happen.

edit: £386 that's not cheap :|

 

It's pretty much full retail price. Could have waited till the ivy bridge cpu comes out and hope it works with the h67 chipset with no bios update or mod. Or just go with one of the top cpus and be done with it.

Lol, part of me still wants to do two 240 gig mushkin chronos deluxe in raid 0. Why you say, more room and 240's have quicker chip sets vs the 120 gig. (i've been very happy with the speed and stability of the mushkin ssd's)

GeoCake, what was the size of the power adapter for the laptop that reached that score?

 

M17xR3 adapter = 240w

 

Never owned an alienware. Owned a lower end dell desktop, never was impressed, usually the word "dell" makes me cringe. The power adapter is one up on MSI, nice they thought ahead on that one. All in all pretty happy with MSI.

 

@ tonyjanderson1

Just to confirm..... Are you using the Dell 580M (Rev3) in your GT780DXR-099US..... or is it a 580M that came from an MSI barebones unit?

I see both you and pau1ow are both experiencing the throttling issue, and using ThrottleStop. Are both of you using the stock MSI 180w PA?

I may have missed it, but I have not read where MSI 580M equipped barebones or GT783 users are reporting throttling, or 180w PA issues.

Thanks!

 

Is there an easy way to find out who the manufacturer is?



I am using the stock 180 power adapter but I have not been keeping track of where I am at as far as power usage.

 

@Striker,
Your best bet is to ask 5482741 as he is the only one who owns a brand-new MSI 16F2 with the MSI 580M but he didn't report any throttling issues and I actually didn't lol as Throttlestop was running all the time

@tony,
I saw you bought your card from upgradeyourlaptop on eBay so yours is a Clevo while mine is a Dell. Either way they are exactly 100% both identical as I already compared them next to each other. They are both REV3.0 (last revision) while MSI ones look like they are from REV1.0 or 2.0 according to Ken pictures.

840/1800

 

Sounds good to me, so far, so good...performance wise, I've achieved what I wanted and beyond. From here, it's just tweaking...

So is the rev 3 on the card it's self? Sounds like most cards are basically just the same different revisions and then the vendor supplies the vbios for the card. I can't see where the cards are too much different, it's uses Internal MXM 3.0b connector, which seems to be an industry standard between ati and nvidia. So, internally, the cards can't be that much different (between nvidia and nvidia that is)

Paul1ow used the 92 bios which I think is the modified new release of dells bios also, still throttle issue (unless you've removed throttlestop)

If you look at mine, you'll probably see I already did the updated bios (I think I used the one from widezu69 post) which was dells bios if I remember correctly (and as we see, it didn't change the throttling). Makes me wonder if the msi bios would work and if the throttling would go away. Just a thought.

 

Possibly, but I wouldnt bother flashing the MSI vbios as the Dell vbios is as good as the MSI one (4 entries).
Regarding throttling, I always used Throttlestop whatever card I had (460m, 6990m) so it will always be running in my background and make sure that my CPU is doing fast.

edit: to be more precised Striker, the CPU was throttling not the 580M !

 

Thanks tonyjanderson1 for the long answer, but I know how to figure out which manufacturer. I was hoping for the short answer, because I am having my own issues right now.

Thanks for the helpful reply pau1ow. The revision may be the clue I am looking for.

 

Different voltage circuitry, different PCB layout, different bios, different memory chips, different display outputs. I think all of these can have quite a significant impact.

 

Striker, what are you going through right now ?

 

How did you carry out the overvolt? Svet's VBIOS Tuner?

As far as I know, I've experienced no throttling.

I ran MSI Kombuster fullscreen for over ten minutes, while overclocked; and I saw no drops in clock/voltage.

 

My statement was actually a question, I didnt know who made mine, I was just flying blind and learning as I went. I've always built desktops and this is my first diving this deep into a laptop.

I forgot all about that pau1ow, it was the cpu I was fighting the first time around.

I did make a backup of the stock bios just in case but I think i'm good with the modified new bios thats already flashed.

 

Temps are great.... no throttling...... no PA issues..... but performance benchmarks are like a poor 570M. It's like there is some sort of MSI proprietized firmware thing going on. It's not the vbios, it's not the card, it's like something with the MB.

I am pe'od right now.... but I'll narrow it down..... and when I do, it may be sad news for those hopeful in upgrading their GT780's..... gotta be a workaround here.

 

I flashed Alienware Overvolted 580M vbios (0.92v in place of 0.87V)
Temps has risen as you can see in my screens below:
850/1800


825/1800

 

Striker, use throttlestop and it will be sorted. Where did you get your MSI 580M ? It seems you have upgraded your 570M but I'm wondering how.

Anyway, at 840/1800 and under 3dmarkVantage, my 180W Adapter shut down (overload protection) as the load was getting high for long period. I thought the fuse inside blew up but actually no, just overcurrent protection.

So far, for gaming I will use 800/1800 which seems the best bet to me along good temps.