MSI GE75 Raider v/ full 2080

You should downclock it and run a conservative fan curve instead. Once you tweak it you will have acceptable noise levels. I know what you mean about noise.

Back when I had my GT80 I was very happy to go full overclocks and play 4K making my 980ms cry, but I almost always used 100% fan speed and that was insanely loud. At first I didn't mind but over time it got very annoying.

Even with my Gt73 I often tweak it to max efficiency by lowering clocks, voltage and fan curve so I can play without a jet taking off. Depends on what I want to do. If I am going to play a not very demanding game at 1080P, I use it. but for 4K 60fps? I will need to endure the jet.

 

The touchpad looks similar to the old GE75 pad but has no drivers beyond the Intel IO drivers listed at the MSI site. Apparently its Windows Precision..

The GE63 pad looks the same but has synaptics drivers. I wonder if i just download the modded precision drivers for synaptics if the GE63 RTX laptop will respond similarly to the GE75?
Sorry, i guess nobody cares much about the updated GE63 when the 17" is almost the same size.

 

It's the transition to slim bezels that makes people go for 17 in the size of a 15 inch body.

You can certainly try to see if the drivers would behave the same, I am not very versed with the touchpad, but I noticed a lot of people are wanting windows precision drivers. I am not sure what they do, as I rarely use the touchpad myself.

 

I was mesmerized by this sentence.

 

I assure you it's all made in the literal sense and should not be interpreted as anything else!

 

I ordered mine today. My previous laptop was 4.5kg monster with 1070. This looked lightweight and powerful enough. What bothers me a little about GE75 is that according to store pages 16gb version has one memory stick. This in my understanding hinders gaming performance quite a bit due to memory being one channel only.

I don't see any sense in hindering performance of otherwise powerful 2080 laptop having one 16gb stick instead of two 8gb in dual channel. When I upgrade the memory I want to play it safe and get two matching sticks and get rid of the original anyway.

 

It will depend on the game. Single Channel memory affects considerable more when using a unified architecture such as integrated graphics that share the memory subsystem. When you have a dedicated GPU, it will depend on how much the game uses the RAM to notice the bottleneck.

I prefer having a single 16GB as I can just open it, check the model and get another dimm for 32GB, or customizing it before buying to 32GB from the get go. When i buy 8x2 modules or 4x2 for 8GB systems I feel limited, like I will waste the dimms later on to upgrade. I have some 4GB x 2 dimms around at work due to this, that will never get used aside from "test" systems, because it is much better to get high capacity per dimm from the get go.

 

While it used to be important to match ram stick, this is no longer necessary. Since the computer will match the ram itself. For example if you get a 2nd 16gb stick that’s only 2400mhz, the first stick will be slowed down to match it. All that really matters nowadays is that you get the same speed and the same size to get the most out of them.

 

I checked several comparisons of 2x8gb vs 1x16gb and at least every test I saw had a large effect on fps if they ran single channel only even with dedicated GPU. To me the difference was almost comparable to having 2080maxq instead of 2080.


I had stability issues using different manufacturer brand memory (and where I live some brands are more difficult to get) on my bit older laptop with 970m even if they had same speed. I'd have bought 32gb Raider but it wasn't available here as it seems it's sold only in US.

For raider this brand seemed to be available in my area. If I were to upgrade, 2 of these should hopefully work?
https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-HyperX-HX426S15IB2-16/dp/B01N7K4DV4

 

Alright I went with this one:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07N2Z6GK4

Pricier but comes with a 2 TB SSD plus a 1 TB HDD and then also 32 gigs of ram instead of 16. Should be a beast! I’ll report back once I have it!

 

Congrats!

just a heads up Sata SSD's are slower then NVMe SSD's by a decent amount

and not all NVMe's are the same ether

 

Thanks for the heads up. The SSD in my Titan VR is a Samsung SM951. Do you know how it would compare to that? My Titan also has a SATA HDD and it’s been decent speed-wise so hopefully the SSD is decent.

 

oh its probably going to be similar to your titan, I just meant that when I found NVMe's it was a noticeable difference from a SATA SSD. with SATA technology they actually hit the max possible speed (more or less) and can't go any faster, that is why they switched to NVMe with does not have the same constraints as SATA.

I posted this in another thread though not sure how to link to it so I will just add it here:

Though someone pointed out that the Gb/s to MB/s are slightly wrong

 

Oh wow I’ve never even known any of this, thanks for this info! But yeah as long as it’s similar to the Titan I’ll be just fine

This is something I will definitely remember for whenever my next purchase happens. Do you know if these can swapped out on the new Raiders? That could be an option down the line too if so. Never really looked into that on laptops outside of memory of course so thank you again. I love learning new stuff

 

That’s why I wanted to make sure you knew that there was a difference.
You can definitely upgrade it without much of an issue later down the line

 

That’s perfect then. Good to know I have the option in case I change my mind. Can’t wait to get it and start playing. Should be a decent upgrade from my 3-4 year old Titan. Thank you again for your help!

 

Keep in mind that with Ryzen, memory is essential, to the point that there is a large difference in performance between almost all speeds and timings. This is not the same case for intel.

As for your question, that ram should work specially if you put two of the same to avoid any incompatibility.

 

Hello everyone. I am new to this site and this is my first post.
I am here to ask you guys a favor.
Would you mind sending me the benchmark of this pc please? I know that there’s already a vid on youtube for that but i couldnt find a serious review like benchmarking it with full fan speed or something like that. I want to buy this laptop but I am so unsure because i am so afraid of the cpu/gpu throttling.

Ps: i am in asia i dont have access to popular online store like HIDevolution or XoticPC to ask them to repaste the thermal paste for me.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-and-discussions-lounge.825828/page-17

A bunch of my benchmarks are in that thread. Keep in mind mine is repasted with LM.

 

Ok thanks a lot mate. And what does LM stands for?

 

Np, Liquid Metal

 

Welcome to the forums!

These are new machines so you will have to wait a bit more before we have a ton of content. Luckily, the GE75 is one of the more popular, readily available machines, so we already have owners around. Same with GS65.

Don't worry about throttling, the cooling is more than capable, and repasting is not an issue for GE75. With a good repaste and undervolting, you will have a powerful non throttling machine even if it came with a bad paste job from factory

 

Thank you! I think I’m going to ask the store(the one i buy the ge75 from) if they could repaste it for me or not. Paying extra money is not a problem.

 

Don't worry, and if for some reason they don't want to, you can do it yourself with the help of the community here. There are videos as well disassembling the units so you can get an idea what you would be dealing with.

 

This is after about a half hour of PUBG at 1440P on the GE63 8SG.

-130mv cpu
gpu curve 1930@900mv
Unlocked bios to allow higher cpu tdp. The cpu is under reporting the actual wattage.

Theres obviously a 150 watt tdp for the 2080. Maybe its higher on the GT series. This is my first night so ill work on the curve and see how high i can get while trying to stay under 150.

 

is this with max fan? temp seems good

 

Its stock system without gaming center installed or silent fan. The fans ramped up on their own. Im not sure what rpm they reached.

 

Pretty good results, great temps and performance.

 

i have GE75 8SG, i did undervolt cpu to -140mv but i havent done anything else.
the cpu temp goes all they way up to 98c, seeing everyone else with lower temp. i wonder if it is a bad paste from factory or something else wrong. didnt look like there was much of a difference with the undervolt in regards to temp.

i have bought thermal grizzly kryonaut that i was planning to apply to cpu/gpu, but now i am wondering if maybe i should return it before i do that incase there is something else wrong with it.


firestrike https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18183738 and timespy https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6089877

 

Most people that have posted have had a liquid metal repaste I believe. 98 is pretty crazy though. I would do the repaste then go from there.

 

Its most likely a bad paste job then. Try repasting and see how it goes with temps.

I feel like I am the only one not recommending liquid metal LOL haha but yeah any high quality paste with a proper paste job should bring temps down. Also make sure you are not using Dragon Center simultaneously with any other software like throttlestop, because it also incorrectly sets the undervolts. (DC overvolts back up).

 

paste is done, probably not the best paste job, it has been a decade since last time i did this.
at the start it looked like it was almost 15c lower, fluctuating from 15 to 10c lower than before on both gpu and cpu.
but near the end the gpu hit the 75c mark and is thermalthrottling. the cpu did stay about 8c lower at the highest load at the end of the test(around 90).
testscores did increase a little bit, firestrike https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18231022 and timespy https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6141032

i do feel it helped a lot in games, the temp is 10-15 lower during gaming and i have higher stable fps.

i will try some undervolt on gpu, dont know if i should go lower on cpu, core is at -150mv and cache at -125mv

link to some pics of the paste https://imgur.com/a/c8K4ChA

 

How does your voltage chart in afterburner look? Mines all wierd trying to see if anyone else is having the same issue.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-afterburner-voltage-screen-issue.827332/



*Edit nm, installed the MSI Afterburner Beta 4.6 and its good now.

 

Man somethings up with that Afterburner beta too, my voltage chart looks fine but when I bench my GPU clock sits around 1200 lol....uninstalled it and its normal again.

 

The GE75 has mxm the 2080?

 

nope

 

Whelp this thing is a beast! It’s not super super more powerful than the 83 Titan but I’m definitely getting better frame rates and performance across the board. And the fact it like a third the size is pretty incredible! Oh and also the SSD’s are way faster than even the SSD on the Titan. Games install I’d say 3 times faster. Or at least it feels that way. But yeah I fully recommend this laptop.

 

Its an amazing laptop, I’m in love with it.

 

You guys are using silent fan instead of dragon center? which version of SF? I hate dragon center lol

also edit: do you guys know why intel XTU suddenly decided to grey out the CPU turbo boost option? It's currently on, but it's forced to "OFF" on the "proposed side" so it looks like if i lower my cpu voltage more (or apply any other setting), it'll toggle turbo off while the option is greyed out

 

I’m using nothing, the fans work fine on their own and I use the coolerboost button when I want. And idk I switched to ThrottleStop and love it.

 

It is recommended instead to use throttlestop. Back when I used Intel XTU i noticed strange behavior even after removing Dragon Center. Certain options would only appear sometimes, after a full restart, vs shutdown/turn on.

So it would be best to test with Throttlestop, remove the others. As for fan control, I believe Silent Option still works and you should try it.

 

I did as you guys said and swapped to TS. It was less of a headache than xtu actually. and SO works well (the skylake version if anyone is wondering)

 

Im surprised there's no mention here of the single channel ram fiasco.
Ive been getting wierd frame drops and generally have been dissapointed since i got the GE63.

I think all these 16gb raiders are single channel ram from factory?

Does anyone know what the exact specs are for the ram to match up a second stick?

(my previous raider broke a tab taking the back off so the less i do it the better)

 

Single or Dual doesn't make much difference in actual performance, but if you want to enable dual channel you need to have both slots populated.
Stock: 16GB DDR4 2666 MHz/PC4 21300 (16G X 1)
Max: 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz G.Skill CL18 Dual-Channel 16G X 2

 

Thanks alot! Ill try to find a good match for that.
Btw...its been shown that it can make up to even 35% difference with RTX laptops. Ita kind of the big story this past week and many respected review sites have confirmed in testing.

 

That's what Synthetic benchmark shows which is true and correct. But in real life scenario you may not even utilize all of that performance.

 

@SupremeUnicorn Can you post a GPU-Z screen shot of your 2080?

Thanks.

 

@JRey here you go

 

I PM'd you

 

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