MSI GS60 Ghost/ Ghost Pro Thread

So I have a 10% off memory coupon for newegg, is anyone running 1866 or 2133 memory right now in their GS60?

I know we've had discussion in this thread in the past but I haven't heard anything definitive and yes I know the performance is not necessarily worth the cost.

 

So this card doesn't adhere to standards properly?
Beta drivers didn't help.
If a cheap usb wifi card is able to vastly outperform an integrated wireless card without any tweaking in a $1800 laptop it doesn't bode well for the card.
Can it be replaced with a card less useless without much hassle? Or does that violate the warranty?

What baffles the mind is that this card's behavior is so random. It never downloads above 6mbit and often times the upload is better than the download.

Are there any modified drivers for this card? intel is obviously incompetent when it comes to wireless.

I would settle for a driver that just lets N function properly nvm the 5Ghz band.

Did intel create the chipset too or is it one of the better known chipsets belonging to Atheros or Ralink?

 

I'm about to pull the trigger on either the g.skill 1600 C9 or 1866 c10. Also, not 100% sure if the 1866 will run at 1866 or if it will bump down to 1600 (maybe c8)...but I would expect it to be able to run at 1866 (even though if you look at intel's page for 4700hq, it says it only supports up to 1600...but again, I'm pretty sure 1866 will work just fine). I'll second the question of 'is anyone running something north of 1600'?

Oh and coupon code is: EXLEMCPEPB24

 

I ordered an GS60 Pro and expedited the service on April 18. Still waiting for the new stock to arrive at XOTIC from MSI, so they do not even have my laptop yet. You will likely have to get in that queue regardless of customization. Pretty large backorder combined with slow shipments from MSI.

 

I agree with this completely.. if the fans were barely audible during none gaming taskes id buy the laptop in a second.. Im worried that it might be too loud while not gaming.. thats holding me back

someone says that the custom fixes actually fix the problem but I notice that it only reduces the fan speed by 4%... is that really enough to make it barely hearable doing non gaming tasks? does anyone have any decible benchmarks on that reduction?

I started testing my desktop decible lvls to get an idea of how loud the ghost pro is.. its so annoying not being able to hear it before making a purchase

 

Currently, the GS60 Ghost Pro is out of stock on newegg (since few days ago) and pro-star. As for Xotic, I believe they have some in stock to fulfill old orders and they are ordering more. I suggest ordering it through NCIX or GenTech. I ordered mine through GenTech yesterday and will be getting it today (Only possible if you live in South Cal) after talking to them on the phone about my urgent need for a computer. Their customer service is amazing.

 

hello!

i'm interested in msi GS60 or Lenovo Y50. Both laptops have similar specifications but lenovo will not available in Spain until september, i dont know if woth the wait to get y50. i'm working on my final project so i use autocad, photoshop, 3d studio+vray, after effects and other architecture sofware. i'm worried about high temperatures but the question is... why is Gtx 860 maxwell better than kepler version? If I understand correctly, the most important aspects of gpu for modeling and rendering in 3d studio are memory bandwidth, pixel rate, floating point performance, shading units, texture mapping and kepler has best levels. which one is better for me? im going to see the difference?

i know that thin and light laptos isnt the best to work in 3d but i need mobility.

thanks and sorry for my english!

 

So there's a long wait regardless.. Thanks for the info, guys! Personally, I just think this whole rush processing is shady business to begin with. It's like EA charging an extra $50 for Premium in Battlefield 4 for getting priority on the join queues of servers.

On the other hand, I called Gentech and they said if I order a stock config today, they can ship it out today. Very impressed!

 

the nice thing about the y50 is its a maxwell 860. Its better because it uses less power and generates less heat depending on the cooling of the laptop. I use Maya, if youre modelling another important spec for the graphics card is the amount of polys it can handle. I haven't compared them spec for spec so im not sure which will be better with 3d, but my guess is they are about the same. Its more of a heat/power comparison. Also check out the gigabyte p35w or the 860m version of that laptop. It looks pretty good too. I'm waiting for more reviews to come out, myself.

 

Is anyone able to find a good undervolt on the cpu without sacrificing much performance and reduces throttling? I am getting my ghost pro today and would like to tweak everything to make sure that the laptop won't run too hot (fan speed is not a concern to me, just heat). It would be great if you can share it!

 

I will say even with the CPU getting hotter I haven't hit the threshold and haven't experienced throttling yet. And I was able to reduce temperatures quite a bit with testing last night as well as get an overclock on one extra multiplier per core level while undervolted and reduced temps. 35x Single Core, 34x Dual, 33x Triple, 33x Quad vs Stock 34, 33, 32, 32.

 

thanks!! I knew that maxwell consumes less battery even if the spcs are a little worse because it does not suffer overheating but i did not find any review talking about the temperature of Y50. i checked the g35 but unfortunately its almost imposible buy gigabyte in spain (with guarantee or qwerty). The worsstation portable are reallly expensive (up to 2000€-2500€ , like dell m3800-4800, toshiba W50... so my choice is between y50 and gs60.

 

yeah I havent seen any y50 reviews yet. I think its still too new, same with the Gigabyte p35w. I think Xotic and Gentech ship globally, so thats a route you could go if you wanted to do that. I dunno how much more fees there are in that though.

 

I'm on my mobile so can't search the thread for you but there is loads of info in here. You can use Intel xtu to undervolt the CPU significantly and flash the GPU with a new vbios which will also reduce temps by quite a bit. We're making low 90s to low 80s.
I'll be doing the same when somewhere in the UK gets one in stock!

 

What voltage did you go with? Did you have to change anything else besides voltage and multipliers? Sorry I have never played around with the cpu nor xtu but am very concerned with heating and throttling (previous laptop died due to overheating).

 

Hey guys i found this Wireless Networking — What are the recommended settings for 802.11n connectivity? i wonder if these settings will work for who has a bad connection :/

 

So I saw this article online about the Maxwell vs Keplar performance. Do we know if there are ANY GS60 or GS70 that will use this Maxwell GPU and if we do which ones will have it? Is it in the Late May release with the 4710? Let me know if anyone has any information! I'm excited about this laptop but might have to switch to the y50 if it has a cooler more updated architecture. I know I won't get as much performance as the 870M but I think would be better in the long run.

GTX 870M vs GTX 860M

 

I have to check when I get home I think I went with -100mV otherwise it was -85mV, I was running 3DMark11 to try to compare performance, there was a decrease in my score with undervolting and I got it back up with the overclock which... I don't really understand. I'd have to do other better CPU tests and some more burn ins but I played some D3 without issue as well. But I spent most of last night playing with different voltages and running 3DMark. Hopefully this weekend I can try the vBIOS flash but it is going to be a very busy weekend.

 

Does this laptop seem to have heating issues w/ 870M ?

 

For the Ghost Pro (870m), people are saying that with everything stock, the GPU goes up to ~92C and starts throttling. I mean...it is a safe temperature, but just too hot for me. It supposedly can be fixed with Sen7inel's modded vbios. I haven't tried it myself, but others have. Below is the link to the vbios:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/742589-msi-gs60-ghost-ghost-pro-thread-118.html#post9640185

 

Thank you Hopefully temperatures should be better with a good cooler.. Is there any OC/UV on that vBIOS?

 

Found an article and in comments someone says: The display is a beaut too. It's covers close to 100% sRGB (reviews put it between 95%-103%), and 78% Adobe RGB (i.e. more than the retina Macbooks). Plus it's matte rather than glossy with a semi-effective anti-reflective coatings like the Macs. - See more at: DailyTech - MSI Launches GS60 Ghost Pro 3K, GS70 Stealth Pro Gaming Notebooks

Coming from a tn 1080p glossy panel I'm literally doing Mr burns excellent with fingers. Mine will arrive in 2-3 weeks, does anyone knows about selling status in Europe for ghost pro?

Also bump for a previous question for actual owners: can you run it with the lid closed without heating issues due to the fact that air main entrance is on top of the keyboard? Thanks

 

i wonder if anyone's try'd the same thing on the 860m version

 

LOL. That's me. I do a lot of photo work so color gamut is important to me, and I've been seeking out reviews which specifically test it.

This Chinese review seemed the most comprehensive, including a CIE chart. It reported 95% sRGB, 78% Adobe RGB.
MSI GS60 2PC-010CN 评测 - 第7页 - 笔记本|Notebook - Chiphell - 分享与交流用户体验的最佳平台 - Powered by Discuz!

This Russian review reported 90%-95% sRGB, but is suspect because their measured delta-E was substantially higher than all the other reviews.
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There was an earlier Polish review (can't find it right now) which reported 103% sRGB uncalibrated, 95% sRGB after calibration.

I'm staring at the screen right now and it's a really, really nice screen. I'm coming from a 2010 Sony Z1 whose screen covers about 85% Adobe RGB (i.e. well over 100% sRGB). After using that for 3 years, I was disappointed to find that most laptop screens seem pale and washed out in comparison. The GS60's screen is one of just a handful of which I've been happy with the color gamut.

 

Hey, I just had a couple of questions for people that own the laptop.

1)I've been considering the 860 and 870 version of the laptop. Is the 870 significantly hotter during normal running/intensive gaming or it just a small increase from the 860?
2)How loud is the laptop during normal running. I want to use it for college so I really do not want it to be obnoxiously loud during lectures.
3)The only reason I want to order it off XoticPC is for the IC Diamond cooling upgrade. Is it easy to do this yourself without violating the warranty? I would prefer to order it off amazon however I really would like to get this cooling upgrade.
4)Any other comments about the laptop/any reason you wouldn't buy it again?

Thanks

 

Check out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcFPrExa6Es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVyNHxk9HE

 

Okay so this Battery Calibration utility......

Needless to say I am not impressed. It took HOURS to complete and on top of all that it doesn't even register now that I ever completed a calibration.

What's now happening is that, sometimes but not always, when I press the power button the laptop will start and within 3 seconds shut off. Sometimes it has done this twice in a row. And then, either on the second or third time of pressing the power button, it loads to Windows just fine.

What's the deal here MSI???

Has anyone had this problem? Am I doing something wrong? If I do a complete re-install of Windows and all drivers will this reset the battery back to its original settings/calibration?

 

I'm thinking about buying a portable battery for the GS60 Pro off Amazon while I wait for mine to ship. Anyone know what the stock AC adapter outputs at (particularly amps)? Would 19V at 3amps be sufficient? (if it helps I'm looking at the intocircuit 26000mah battery, though if anyone knows of any better portable battery for this laptop that would be great too)

 

Looks like on MSI website there is a non-pro 3k version w/ 860m

Can 860m even run anuything at 3k withe decent fps ?

 

I doubt it, but the display would still be great at everything else, even possibly gaming at half the native resolution with minimal scaling.

 

The 870m won't fare particularly well either, being only 15% more powerful when the 3k display has so many more pixels. There 870m isn't a particularly good choice all-round in my view, considering after a year that 15% difference is going to be hard to notice as games get more demanding, and the 870m comes with quite a few caveats.

 

Will downscaling to 1920x1080 look worse than running on a native 1920?

 

Shouldn't do, they're both 16:9 panels so the ratio is exactly the same. I suppose the decision is whether you'd use the 3k resolution enough (i.e. when will you have the performance for it) to justify the higher price tag.

 

Hi, be77solo

I've been watching so much discussions above such wifi coneections issues, and right now i don't have a GS 60 model in hand,
When browsing the configuration info from the official web-site, i found it was describing : Killer E2200 but not AC 7260 card.
So right now I am really confused, does MSI make some minimum product update such as change such poor AC 7260 to the better one Killer card?
BTW, when i was checking their website, both GS60 and GS 60 pro, they are using KILLER cards...

Thanks and regards

 

I think the killer card is the wired lan port.

 

hi, Does anybody receive your 3K pro model of GS 60?
Still waiting for such reviews, tks.

 

Yeah, you are right, i checked again, something described clearly
LAN KILLER E2200
WIRELESS LAN 802ac

 

Yep, Intel for Wifi and Bluetooth, Killer for LAN.

For what it's worth, I've got a Killer Wifi card in my other laptop, and it's ok for wifi with updated drivers but is flakey on bluetooth sometimes.... seems neither Intel nor Killer have a perfect solution.

 

In this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVyNHxk9HE

The 860m ghost goes from 40 decibles at ambient sound to 44 decibles at full load

In this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROEenhCgeUk&list=UUJ9O0vRPsMFk5UtIDimr6hQ

The ghost pro goes from 41 decibles at ambient sound to 54 decibles at full load

I wish they tested the ambient noise level with the laptop off, that way we could see the noise difference of the laptops idleing.
This is probably a stupid question but based on these benchmarks does this mean that the 860m ghost is less loud then the 870m?

I'm trying to figure out if the laptop will be too loud while idleing if I bring it to work. Though at work the other day I tested the decible level and it was at like 70 decibles. Does that mean I wouldn't be able to hear either of the fan levels anyway? Since its so loud at work?

also,
In the 870 pro video, does anyone know if it was the 3k version of the pro or the 1920x1080 version? and, why is the cpu score so low compared to the 860m score?

Thanks

 

Looks higher than stock paste? You're painting with a very broad brush here. Every gpu use will vary with every game and thus so will the temperature. Unless you have a direct comparison of stock vs repaste under the same exact conditions it's difficult to take such a conclusion for it's face value. Your temps are nothing to worry about

 

Great results! I basically used the same methodology to arrive at my max cpu undervolt: I started with -75mV, test for an hour, no crash? -5 more and so on until crash. Once I arrived at this voltage I upped the speed of the first core, second so on until I experienced a crash. I decided to stay at my lowest voltage instead of moving up a notch to see if I can achieve more speed with more cores.

 

Undervolting will NOT reduce your performance. Seems XTU users that reported their undervolt in this thread got -75mV or better.

 

NO/YES respectively. OC vBIOS's coming though

 

Why don't you get the non pro version of the GS60? The 860M on that version seems to run at lower temps, while being only around 30-40% slower in 3D tasks.

I wouldn't call the design faulty, as proven by Sen7inel there's a lot of potential for running at lower temps while retaining 100% of performance, my GPU never goes over 85 degrees and sustains 967MHz clocks while at it

Anyways, I see lots of happy people with their pro, but as previously mentioned by almost every owner before, the laptop is not for everyone, and there are many other alternatives out there

Good luck with your new purchase

 

30-40%? I thought it was more like 15%. I'm still waiting for the 870m, but I may just change to the 860m considering the noise and heat issues of the 870m.

 

After endless consideration I bought the GS60 today ... and I'm totally disappointed.

The screen is beautiful, and the lightness is amazing but the small enter key is driving me crazy, and so does the trackpad surface. The worst part though is the noise. I can't stand it.

I just hope the store will take it back on monday. Otherwise I have wasted a lot of money.

*cry*!!!

 

The problem with downscaling is that you're completely at the mercy of the display hardware's internal scaling algorithms. Some are great, most are pretty good, but a few are horrible. It's not something you can control in software - it's programmed into the hardware which drives the screen.

Regardless of how good it is, you can expect some increase in blurriness relative to a native resolution screen. In certain applications (e.g. photos, video), this blurriness is actually a good thing. The corners of the square pixels on an LCD actually represent non-existent high-frequency data which the screen exaggerates. The blurriness tones that down, which is why you can often get away with anti-aliasing turned off when you downscale the picture.

But for sharp edges like diagonal lines and fonts, it's going to look worse compared to a native screen. The Retina Macbooks get around this by rendering their screen at 2x your resolution setting, then downsampling to match the screen's resolution. But obviously this is out of the question for games.

I haven't checked the fan RPMs on the 860m ghost, but the fans do occasionally kick in at a higher RPM. I would imagine the 870m runs at that higher RPM more often (if not continuously) while gaming.

Don't read too much into those dB readings in those videos. To properly compare dB, you also need to know the distance from the meter to the sound. Every time you double the distance, the sound level drops by ~6 dB. I posted the exact formula here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/742589-msi-gs60-ghost-ghost-pro-thread-18.html#post9605245

dB is also just one aspect of sound. Your ears have a frequency response curve too, so certain sounds will seem louder than others, even though they're the same dB to a sound meter. From what I've heard of the GS60's fans, they did a pretty good job keeping the noise profile in the unobtrusive low-frequency bands. (Dolby noise reduction does the same thing for analog tape hiss.) When gaming, the fan noise is what I'd call moderately loud, but most of the game's sounds are at a higher frequency and easily cut through the noise so it's rather unobtrusive.

For non-gaming in a work environment, the fans definitely won't be a problem. You won't hear them over the regular office clatter. I'm in my dining room and the (quiet) refrigerator compressor just kicked on. It is louder than the GS60's fan. The fan noise at idle is only an issue if you're in a quiet place like a library or alone in your den.

 

Just an example:

3dMark11

GS60 5249

GS60 Pro 7366

The 870M is on average 30% to 40% faster than the 860M, read this article for more comparisons:

Average Performance And Efficiency - GeForce GTX 880M, 870M, And 860M: Mobile GPUs, Tested

Sorry to hear that, I hope you have luck returning your laptop, you should probably opt for an ultra book or MacPro...

 

You made my day, I work on video and graphics, sometimes in weird places and different light conditions so I absolutely need a portable pc, under a bright matte screen and with a decent colour space.
The ghost pro seems able to act as an hell of video/graphic portable workstation, still waiting for someone here who is doing after effects stuff with it to hear an opinion about performance.

 

You're right. The Kepler 860m is a lil bit slower than its maxwell pendant. So while the performance of 870m is "only" 20-30% faster than 860m maxwell, it is 30-40% faster than the Kepler 860m, which is built in the GS60 non pro.

Is the GS60 Pro 3dmark 11 score from your notebook? It's a little bit overclocked? The most results are about 6800-6900 overall score, instead of your 7366.
I guess you have posted that earlier, but maybe you've tested a bit more meanwhile: Do you have your gpu undervolted? The cpu undervolted, too? What are your max temps while heavy gaming (BF4, Crysis 3 ..)? Thanks