MSI GS70 Stealth Pro Theard

Disassembly guide...

 

Thanks for taking the time to write this up man. Much appreciated! Any noticable effects you measured afterwards?

 

Wow, just awesome! And that paste! AAAHHHH!

 

@JackdawFool
"Windows 8 is really, really awful."


I really can't understand you hate. I love windows 8.
Best OS ever.

 

Sadly not so much, as others already reported. CPU benefited the most, it's running a fair 3-5*C under what I used to see under some load. GPU... Well it takes a little more time to rise up, but there's no stopping it going to the throttling point eventually. That's the metal liquid fighting a lost battle against compressed space/insufficient cooling. There's a point where extra heat dissipation cannot make for lack of space/airflow to actually entirely dissipate heat; this happens somewhere between 80-85*C, from there temps rise steadily as quickly as they did before.

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I don't know if the cooling is different with the GS60 but depending on the game the most mine has got up to is 86c as far as I can remember. I know for certain it's not got to 90c. That's playing with and working a laptop cooler. Perhaps the GPU side didn't go on quite as well?

 

merci!
I was going to have the store do the install but if there's no Bios update I will do it myself
thanks for the guide btw much appreciated

 

Finally after spending 4 long years with my Alienware M17X R2, it is time to say good bye. *SALUTE*:hi2:

Welcome aboard the new GS70 stealth pro 2014!:thumbsup:
I ordered mine from HIDevolution. Got it with all the goodies, IC diamond repaste, triple SSD Raid-0, 1TB Hybrid, 16GB RAM Kingstone 1833MHz, external blu-rey reader, bigfoot killer wireless gaming card, GTX870m 6GB DDR5, corei7 2.5-3.5GHz 4th gen cpu, standard matt screen and bunch of other good stuff!

Paid for it today and waiting for them to get this beast shipped to me by DHL.

 

Laptop cooler says it all, doesn't it? I'm not using one. GPU side went very well thank you... it must be about the thousandth time I used CLP.

I still have many tests to do, so we'll see with real world gaming what's going on.

 

Sorry auto correct, that should have read with and without a laptop cooler.

 

Yep gathered that in your posts in the GS60 thread afterwards. This is nice temps, but I've read too you cap framerate? Do your temps stay as good without capping? I didn't experiment the software side too much yet, just wanted to dive in the hardware and make sure I had the strongest possible back. I've barely really used the laptop yet to be honest, changed job in the last month and youngest daughter is giving us hell... and what's with experimenting installation of windows 7, reinstalling a clean 8.1, then reinstalling it again when I got that second X110, I think the laptop spent more time installing Windows and drivers and stuff than actual gaming.

Anyway, all I wanted to point out was that real throttling only occured while gaming for me, benchmarks usually go high in temps but not enough to really throttle the card, unless I run a bunch of them in a row. But games I've played were maxed out to the bone though, more for sampling than anything else, with no capping. I still see the laptop as a laboratory, to be honnest, I did not take ownership per see, I'm treating it more like a customer's machine that I've got to "troubleshoot" and optimize somehow, just as much as an object of review that I'll have to send back afterwards...

Playing tonight though, I have some spare time now, baby seems to be truly sleeping, and I'll have a better idea how much it helped by tomorrow.

 

I only cap games like left 4 dead which would run at 120fps. Watchdogs, crysis 3 etc don't run over 60fps so can't be capped. I usually play overclocked on a laptop cooler u tried without last night and it touched 90c once. Clocked back to stock and it dropped to around 86C and stayed there. So goes to show the laptop cooler does make a little difference.

 

mardon can you prove it with a video or something.? something that shows that your GPU is used in 99%
somehow i cant believe themps you are getting are with maxed out GPU unless you are playing in sub zero temps..

 

I'm playing in my bedroom which is probably around 22C. I can post a video if you wish.

I played for an hour at lunch just at my desk. No overclock and temps never went over 90c max was 86 but that was only for a short while.
How do you want the video?

 

That may mean gs60 has a better cooling system over gs70.. maybe the additional exhaust vents make the difference.
Btw, I saw a gt60 with 870m hitting 88C on full load. So, 86C for gs60 seems extraordinary.
Undervolting should not make a huge difference.. just a couple watts. 3-4C degrees..
Repasting did not help me for my gs70..

 

Just looked at some pictures and indeed gs60 has a better cooling.

GS70


GS60

 

I wouldn't say extraordinary as doesn't the gt60 only have one fan? Well I'll give you video evidence but I can assure you there's no voodoo going on. I could probably run at - 75 and - 13mhz on the core for next to no performance loss and save a little more heat if I wanted. For now I'm happy to run on a cooler at home and get the extra performance. If I remember those settings net me around 5100 points on the GPU score on firestrike. I don't know what that is comparable too.

 

Looking at those pictures does the gs60 have an extra heat sync per corner?

 

thats exactly what it looks like
more heat dissapation area = better cooling
that makes me think that I bought the wrong model

 

This is very interesting news. It seems a bit backwards that the smaller machine has extra cooling. We need more information and confirmation.

 

If it's true it's down to the gs60 being a new model and the gs70 using last year's chassis which was designed for a 765m they always knew the 870m was going in there.


I forgot to mention there is a modified fan profile that knocks the GPU fan upto 100% at high temps the stock one doesn't do this so there will be a temp saving there as well.

 

Don't think it's backwards... as mardon say it's the new model with the 870M in mind. Also, it's a smaller laptop while retaining the same thinness. MSI knew they would have to compensate for an even more condensed layout. And it's not like some former GS70 Stealth did not struggle with heat, even dissipating a 65W GTX 765M. Sad that they did not edit the GS70 Pro chassis to accomodate a beast like the 870M. It would have been simple, and a mark of respect for those that chose to pay the extra buck for it.

All that being said, units will show better results than others, that's lottery.

In game I found an improvement yesterday night, the laptop was able to maintain a 90*C most of the time, and worst throttling was down to 875MHz, which at least doesn't impact the framerate too much. Settings were still maxed out. Tonight I'm gonna start poking around with modified settings and fan profiles.

 

As you can see I'm my sig, I'm replacing the exact same model!

I also feel cheated about the less sophisitcated cooling on the GS70. I think I will be findigng a specialist mettal cutter to make a few more holes.

 

Finally I did some gaming: multiple hours of Dota 2 (maxed out) resulted in temps in the low 80s.
Multiple hours of Max Payne 3 (maxed out, except for AA and stuff) showed max temps of 86. Frame rates where somwhere between 30 and 60.

No throttling in both games.
My settings cap at 60fps, but I don`t know where I set that.

All that with -75mV on the CPU and GPU side and the newest fan profile by MSI.

I`m pretty ok with that.


It`s the 870m with 3GB.

 

excited as my new GS70 is at the store and will be available for pick up tomorrow!
looking forward to setting it up and getting familiar with MSI

 

Enabling V-Sync will cap framerate at 60fps and lower GPU usage when it can render more frames.

 

I have the gtx 870M and have exactly the same problem. Does anyone know how to solve that?
maybe a new bios or vbios?

 

I had to update vbios to the version provided on the msi homepage. Before that 3dmark crashed and dota had graphical issues.
Also I installed the 337.88 Driver.

Then i updated the vbios to sen7inels -75mV vbios, which works also.

 

Could you please advise what do you mean with the newest fan profile by msi?
Is it new version of Dragon gaming center , or else?

 

I mean the firmware here:
MSI Global - Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Motherboard, Graphics and more 64

But there are also some custom made firmwares that are said to be better.

 

Thanks , i have one more question though.Do you first installed Sen7inel's -75mV BIOS and after this MSI firmware or vice versa?Or it doesn't matter? Wanna do it with my GS70 today.

 

Shouldn`t matter. But I first installed the fan profile firmware and then sen7inels vbios.
You may want to check out the custom fan profiles that are possibly available, since, to my knowledge you won`t be able to install a custom one after you installed the updated one by msi.

 

Hi guys, to the owners of gs 70 stealth pro does this type of laptpp have wifi issues like its brother the gs60 ghost pro?is there any other issues?

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I don`t have any WiFi issues

 

no wifi issues here either on 2.4ghz or 5ghz

 

Thanks guys, so no issues at all for this type? Heat? If not i guesa i will buy this laptop i guess

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Just read the last few sites. There is plenty of Information concerning heat.

 

Can anyone give more details on how they fixed the touchpad drivers and settings. This thing is jumping all over the place, opening up random metro apps in addition to slow trailing and stiff buttons.

As to the WiFi issues, i did have a bit for some reason. I updated the firmware on my router and changed the channels to get the performance back. Just FYI.

 

Go to device-manager. Look for the touch pad. Delete the drivers. Reboot. Reinstall drivers from msi homepage.
That resolved it for me. But I pointed to that already some pages ago.

 

sadly I do have serious wifi issues: the Intel 7260 simply will not move out of wireless A i.e. 54Mbps mode -- I'm reading the thread under networking and will scope out the GS60 thread too but right now I have requests into both Intel and MSI for help -- it clearly is a software conflict as one of the Intel utilities will let me see that the card does see my router broadcasts wireless N -- I just haven't found a way to set up the correct protocol for it to connect

 

I had awful problems connecting the 7260 to my Netgear router: couldn't move beyond 54 Mbps i.e. no wireless N.
Finally found this article 5 Ways To Fix Slow 802.11n Speed - SmallNetBuilder and it had the solution for me which is the QoS setting and ensuring that WMM is enabled in the adpater settings for the 7260 and also under the QoS setting for the router.
Kicked the connection up to 118 Mbps and my actual internet speed doubled -- still not wow, but also not 54 anymore.

Update:
Intel replied by email this morning which was very prompt and also very useful. Did a complete clean install and my speeds are now 300 when close to the router and 120-170 when further away. More importantly for me, my internet connection is now 3-4 times faster, so good result.

 

First of all, thank you all for your posts in this thread which helped me catch up on more than 15 years of tech advancement and finally pull the trigger on the GS70 Pro. Heck, just 2 weeks ago I wasn't even aware of SSD technology.

Now, after 4 boring years with the same Samsung R580 with specs not worth mentioning (it can barely handle Solitaire), I have just ordered the MSI GS70 2PE-010US Stealth Pro with following specs:

Specs:
i7 4700HQ, 16GB DDRL3 1600MHz,
128GB mSATA3 SSD (+2 free slots),
1TB 5400RPM, 17.3in FHD Anti-Glare,
GTX870M 3GB GDDR5, Win8.1

Having read each and every post in the thread up to now, I am hoping to get some clarifications on the following points:

1) The pictures posted by user z10m compare the insides of the GS60 to the GS70, and the ensuing comments mention that the GS60 has 2 heat sinks per fan versus only 1 per fan for the GS70. But I see the contrary (2 copper sinks for each fan of the GS70 vs 1 only per fan for the GS60)?

2) What is the impact of having 3GB vs 6GM memory (Vram?) on the GTX 870m in terms of gaming performance? Any effect on heating?

3) So the old Stealth could handle the heat from the 65W GTX 765m and the Pro seems to struggle with the 100W of the GTX 870m. User BibaButzemann mentions that he's getting by with extensive play and no throttling by enabling V-Sync to cap his FPS to 60, along with newest fan profile by MSI and user sen7inel's -75mV vbios. Are there any risks to using a custom vbios? Does it void the warranty? Does it reduce the max GPU heating or only delay it? What about applying thermal paste/gel, does it only delay the heating or minimize the peak as well?

4) Everyone mentions the warranty sticker on the bottom left of the unit (when facing the bottom), and some mentioned we can add SSDs or replace the HDD by gently lifting the right side of the cover without tearing the left side sticker. Anyone managed to do that? And I couldn't find this sticker clause mentioned anywhere on the warranty fine print on MSI's website, can any one confirm? What about cleaning dust etc from the fans/vents, how are we supposed to maintain the unit without removing the cover?

5) Some users complain about the wireless card capping at 54Mbps etc... back in my college days we used to play Counter-Strike on like 1 or 2 Mbps lan, and today I only have 16Mbps wifi at home, isn't that enough to play the most recent games online?

6) Again about the over-heating GTX 870m, people seem worried on the long term effects of the GPU over heating, but if it does indeed fry, isn't it covered by the warranty? What is an acceptable temperature limit for this GPU we should set for longevity considering daily heavy-gaming?

Thanks in advance and sorry for long post (it's my first one :hi2

PS: I've corrected the typo in the thread title, seems to have gone unnoticed 441 times until now

 

1) What is meant by two heatsinks are in fact two cooler at the end of the sink, which could (but doesn't particular has to) lead to better cooling.
Both have one heat sink per CPU and GPU.

2) Unless you don't drive games on multiple monitors 6GB of memory are never needed. There shouldn't be any (or only minimal) impact on heat or power consumption between both.

3) There might be a risk in flashing, but as long as you're cautious and follow instructions this risk isn't very high. I'm not sure about warranty though.

4) The warranty sticker is above a screw. I ordered additional RAM at the German notebooksbilliger.de and they voided the warranty sticker by themselves. I don't think (and I read that also) that MSI would refuse warranty only because of that sticker.

5) I might need to check if my card caps. I didn't notice so far.

6) Keep in mind, it doesn't "overheat". The card is driven inside its specs (92°C max), though there might be throttling so stay at 92°C, which i experienced only in benchmarks, up to now. Any defect caused by those high temperatures would be covered by warranty, but I think most are concerned about post warranty. This machine should do its duty for more than 2 years, since it's a premium product that isn't that cheap.

 

While trying to flash my 870M gpu (GS70 pro) with the undervolted (-75) GS60 vbios provided by sen7inel, I'm getting a warning about a version mismatch. The message is:

WARNING: Firmware image PCI subsystem ID (1462.10FD)
does not match adapter PCI Subsytem IS (1462.1103).



I do not understand the warning since I've seen nobody mentioning it. What is the reason for the message, and would it be wise to discontinue flashing my vbios?

 

You have to use the GS70 version of that vbios. It is mentioned somewhere in this thread.
Do not continue with the GS60 vbios.

 

it works fine with GS70 which also has been mentioned somewhere in this thread.
tried it myself and flashed no problem
the problem is that some games will crash with that undervolt on my GS70

 

so day 3 with my new GS70 and finally able to fully explore and use the laptop.
Coming from an Alienware M15, my first impressions are:
1. very thin and very light, about half the weight of the M15 and much, much thinner
2. great screen, really pops, size and quality are great
3. fast and the extra mSATA SSD I put in was a good choice -- took me a while to sort out how to keep OS and programs on one drive, put my files I sue most often on the other and use the HDD just for data storage -- know this is old hat for some of you but I have only ever had the one HDD, so the world of SSD's is all new, as is using win8.1 to organize stuff
4. win 8.1 is fast, much more intuitive than win7 and has, to me good looks and is easy to customize -- the layout of programs installed is especially useful
5. build quality for the MSI is great: really impressed with the keyboard, my first time with Steel Series, excellent feel to the keys
6. no comment on the touchpad as I use an external mouse but the little I did use it, seemed fine
7. graphics are good and fast, sound is even better -- good sound from the speakers, great sound on my headphones
8. wifi is not an issue once I got the Intel adapter and my router to talk to each other -- WMM has to be activated on both for anything above 54 Mbps to be achieved -- so not that complicated but also not highlighted often either (on my Netgear router the WMM setting is under the QoS setting)

So one happy customer at this juncture and for anyone contemplating the purchase, nothing but positives!

 

I got the MSI GS70 Pro with 2x 128 GB RAID SSD and I must say I love it.

Playing Watch Dogs in max graphics and no lags at all. Fans get loud but doesnt seem to overheat.

 

I've searched the entire thread and can't find a GS70 version of that vbios. In that case somebody else than Sen7inel should've made it, and I can't find that somebody's post. Would you happen to know where to find it?

 

Here it is http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/747505-msi-gs70-stealth-pro-theard-27.html#post9646892