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Just got a reply from Xotic PC Chat:

No more RAM recommendations guys please, I am going with the stock Kingston RAM

 

Good thing you checked with XoticPC

 

Yeah, she is right on the ram speeds. I'm kinda sad I didn't snag your chat.

 

but bro, why are you offering 3000 MHz when it doesn't work at the advertised speeds? that's a bit misleading (no offense) as one has to shell out more for the Corsair RAM
on a side note, during testing, HIDevolution just reported a RAID Hardware failure, first time they've seen this in years, they are swapping the 2TB 960 PRO NVMe SSDs now with 2 new ones and creating a RAID Array with a 128K Data Stripe Size as recommended by MSI

PS: it would've been interesting if you caught my chat

 

I posted the ram tests from @Mr. Fox P870 testing in the thread. Gather the ram test numbers from HID and compare with the tests. What a disappointment Not only will you get lower speed from the processor... Now as well from the ram

 

no more RAM discussions please

 

Yeah, I see your point exactly and I'll bring that up here. The ram is 3000MHz, which allows the computer (which ever model) to run at pretty much the highest speed available.

 

Oh"well Ok my good friend But expect similar Q, when you start to bench it

 

There are a handful of consistently top-rated AV programs, but their exact rankings change from one year to the next. eSet NOD32 has been pretty consistently good. Avira and BitDefender are often times overlooked, but also good.

 

according to HIDevolution, the max RAM speed on this laptop is 2666 MHz and it actually runs at that speed alabeit with higher CAS Timings and a bit lower performance than the stock RAM

 

Hey Brother @syscrusher this might interest you...

 

That is what I do on my Mac for 4 years, and Linux systems for 16 years. It's also what I did on the Windows gaming system until 2015, when a device driver from a hardware company actually installed adware on my machine. (Don't even get me started on how angry I was about that!)

Like you, I'm extremely prudent about my Internet use. I have a password manager and use randomized passwords unique to the site. I have HTML and remote images disabled in my email software unless I manually hit a button in a trusted message. In EMS there's an expression, "You can't fix stupid." No technology can substitute for basic human caution, and social engineering is still a very common mode of attack that can't be stopped by software. If I call you and say I'm from your bank, and please give me your account numbers so I can "recover your lost data", and you actually give me that data by phone -- it's all over but the crying.

That being said, I do believe certain types of security software has a role. I administer systems professionally and also have my own private virtual servers. On every system, I run software that detects attack patterns and blocks the IP address of the intruder. It consumes less than 1% of the CPU on the machine, and every single day each one of my servers blocks anywhere from a few dozen to several thousand crack attempts. When I look at my logs, I can tell you those IP addresses correspond to systems with no legitimate reason to be contacting my systems. So yes, there really is a threat out there.

There is also an argument that not everyone is as technical as those who frequent this forum. I'm not letting nontechnical users off responsibility for their own online safety -- common sense, not software, is the best defense. But well-crafted security software can help a user who is well-intentioned and conscientious, but who is not technically oriented.

My big gripe with security software is when, instead of helping the user improve good security practice, it tries to think for the user. That leads to complacency for novices, placing them more at risk when they use a machine in a public venue such as a library or Internet cafe. For technical users, it leads to frustration and lost productivity as we fight against software that is trying to take charge.

We don't put people behind the wheel of a car without training, because a car is a complicated piece of equipment which can do harm if not used properly. We should not put people on a computer without training, for exactly the same reason.

I'm off my soapbox now. Sorry about the rant, and I apologize to the moderators that I've let this get off-topic. My fault.

 

I can't take time during the workday to watch it all (I'll do that later), but I cheated and skipped to the delid part because I've never actually seen that done. Holy crap, that is so bloody cool!

I was an intern at Intel during the summer of 1984, though I was in a field office and not one of the fab plants. The i286 and the 432 (does anyone even remember that guy) were the hot stuff that year. I am totally blown away by seeing anyone field-delid an Intel CPU like that. (It would have been nearly impossible with the chips of the 1980s, because the lids were brazed in place.)

All of this makes me wonder why Intel doesn't offer a premium CPU that has all this "done right" at the factory.

FWIW, say what you will about Intel's heatsink manufacturing, but when I worked there (albeit briefly), their corporate culture was sterling. They really treated employees well, even lowly interns like me. I haven't corresponded with anyone who works there recently, but I hope they have maintained their great human interactions within the company.

 

because they want your CPU to overheat so you can fry it and go buy a new one. J/K @Papusan

If you are intimidated by delidding or don't have the patience/time like me (even though I've delidded myself and won't waste time and wreck my nerves again), there is a delid tool which does it for you in seconds!

Or be like me, go with a factory delidded CPU by HIDevolution or Silicon Lottery Problem solved

 

That's exactly what I did. They've got the delid tool, the ESD-safe workbench, and the experience. I'm probably going to try the DIY route on my next upgrade of my gaming tower, but the place to learn how is not on the machine I'm buying for my day job.

 

indeed!

 

A very good choice, congratulations on your purchase There is only 4 viable options of decent laptops to buy nowadays. Only 3 Clevo models and this 15 inches little monster. The rest out there is pure trash!!

 

I would have them do a memory test to make sure that's not what crashed the raid.....

 

Yup, with all that memory testing - and crashing - I'd want an OS reinstall on a fresh RAID volume.

 

That would be fine as well. New os installs from a 3.0 flash drive takes about 15 to 30 minutes to fully install and complete. And if the drivers are incorporated in to the windows image then that's even better.

 

Laptop has been sent to FedEx for shipment

They installed CLU on the CPU and IC Diamond I the GPU. Max CPU temps at 4.1 GHz in AIDA64 is 76C

Next is my review when so receive it

 

Hey, that's an interesting thread syscrusher! Question: after all, are you fine with the Samsung panel colors? I saw that you mentionned color gamut tests on the MSI 16L13 thread. I currently have @woodzstack working on switching my Samsung panel for a Sharp one with 100% aRGB gamut (4K as well), but he found out it's a different standard (different eDP connector, and different mounting dimensions), so he's looking for a way to convert it.

Oh, and question: does the Linux version of Blender and GIMP work if you install them via aptitude using the Ubuntu subsystem in Windows? I looked it up and it says it's mostly to run command line tools. I'm only asking out of curiosity, as I pretty much only use Linux anyway.

 

Why not CLLU on both?

 

What's the transit time between California and Dubai?

 

2-5 business days depending on whether priority or economy service was used. In @Phoenix's case, I'm guessing he went with priority.

 

The short answer to that is, "I will learn to be fine with the Samsung panel colors." I've read that it's a pretty good panel once you calibrate it. I do some photo editing and video production, but the video editor I use really craves a two-monitor setup anyway. So I have a second monitor that is color calibrated where I do most of my video work, leaving the laptop screen for the timeline and editing UI (for which color accuracy is not critical).

At home I have accurate external monitors, and on the road I do little or no work that requires high-gamut color. All I need on the laptop screen is color that is "good enough" and pleasant to use day-to-day.

I didn't get a chance to try that while I had the Razer Blade Pro in my hands. I would expect GIMP to work just fine as long as Gtk and other needed prerequisite libs are installed. Blender, at least for basic 3D modeling, should also be fine. I installed Blender on my wife's Ubuntu 16.10 system last week, and I was pleased to note that the version in the Ubuntu repository is actually fairly close to the latest. (It was 2.76, iirc.)

There are also native Windows and Mac ports of both GIMP and Blender, if you do need to run them in Windows.

 

Tech support said LCU is dangerous for the GPU on THIS laptop. Plus, I can always do thee things myself if needed

 

2 Business days, FedEx International Priority

Holidays in Dubai = Friday and Saturday
Holidays in the USA = Staruday and Firday

I am expecting it on Monday

 

FYI guys, when I logged in to my laptop remotely using TeamViewer, I was able to successfully create a spanned drive out of the 1TB m.2 850 EVO + the 2.5" SATA 850 EVO 4TB for a single 5TB partition

whoever said you can't club diff. type of drives?

@Porter @Mr. Fox @Prema @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER @John@OBSIDIAN-PC @Papusan @pat@XOTICPC @syscrusher @bloodhawk @win32asmguy

TRIM working according to Mr. Porter as he checked his, he has the same setup like me.

 

Why the long lead time? Are these not stocked yet?

 

I've used both the windows native GIMP and blender. They both work fine. I think you might be a little let down by the current Ubuntu implementation in Windows. It's great for some tasks but there's quite a bit of things that don't work at all.

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P

 

You do love storage space, don't you!

 

with 4TB of video only, yes I do, and I like having it all locally

 

Two reasons: One, it's a configure-to-order custom rig, including a factory delid and repaste. Two, I am fairly sure I was the first person to order the 4K screen on this model from HIDevolution. @Donald@HIDevolution had just gotten the news that it was available a few minutes before I called in, or maybe even during my call, as I was asking about it.

I'm okay with waiting a bit for the machine. It's faster in the long run for me to be patient during a careful build and burn-in, than to have them rush the machine out the door and risk me having to return it and wait for a repair. This is to be my daily driver for work.

 

Don't rush bro, from my experience in life, anytime we rush someone, we risk getting a worse job than if they took their time to build/delid/configure/stress test the system properly to ensure you get a perfect out of the box experience.

good things come to those who wait

I wait for almost 3 weeks for my MSI laptop just for it to be fully built, part of that is my mistake for changing configurations more than 20 times though but I am finally happy after the tests/temps they did which I've seen. Max CPU temp = 75C in AIDA64 Extreme stress test using Liquid Ultra

 

Same here. I also use the OSX native versions of both, on my current machine (Macbook Pro Retina). The only thing that will bite hard is the file path separator in relative links (such as from model to bitmap texture) in Blender.

No argument, but in my case the only things I care about in the Ubuntu subsystem are the presence of a real Bash command line (you can keep PowerShell, thanks, and don't even get me started on the old DOS prompt), and the ability to use my Bash scripts, command substitution, persistent history, text utilities (sed, awk, grep, tr, cut, find, sort, ...), and Python scripts from Windows. If I really need to do anything advanced in Linux, I'll have a beast of a machine with 32 GB of RAM, plenty of room for virtual machines. (P.S., Yes I know Windows has commands called "find" and "sort", but they don't even come close in functionality to the UNIX/Linux counterparts.)

Many Linux users may not realize that part of the reason Linux runs so well in a virtual machine is that its kernel was adapted to work well in virtual machines on an IBM mainframe, under z/VM hypervisor. Large companies run hundreds or even thousands of Linux guests on a single mainframe under z/VM, and even a slight virtualization overhead multiplied by that many guests can eat a lot of CPU. The elimination of the "jiffie" timer from the Linux kernel was part of that optimization, with some of the code contributed by IBM engineers. (In my day job, I work for a company that provides mainframe Linux engineering services.)

Because of those optimizations, and others developed to make Linux work well in VMware or Hyper-V, Linux makes a fantastic virtual machine guest under Windows, Mac, or Linux host operating system on a personal computer.

I've been testing the Ubuntu subsystem, and while I agree it's still very immature code, I give points to Microsoft for trying to be a good citizen in open source coexistence, and for being uncharacteristically transparent in the tech forum for the Linux subsystem. I'll never be a Microsoft fanboy, but I give credit where credit is due.

 

On time.
On spec.
On budget.

Pick any two.

 

What are all those videos from, are you a master magician?

 

Movies & TV Series library, all high quality

 

Laptop Shipped

 

Cool!

I also have a ton of anime to keep - but I do it with external HDDs - 3TB costs around 150$ or so.

 

I understand, I have a 6TB external Buffalo HDD backup drive, but I like having everything locally always

Just like Mr. @Porter

 

Ah yes HD items to stack up pretty rapidly.

My brother has a GoPro and several other camera equipment, and that within a few years, stacks up with over 6TB, crazy stuff. All 4k and upwards pictures and 2k videos.

Just realized my old desktop which is a home NAS has 3TB of series and bluray movies.... oopsie

 

Same here, it's nice being able to whip out a multitude of tools I'm used to without having to jump on a GCE instance. But truth be told I hardly ever do anything productive on my Blade, I pick up the MacBook to do work, 99% of the time when I'm on my Blade I'm horsing around. I try to leave my MacBook in my backpack when I'm at home if I can help it. I have most tools I need on my Blade, but I usually get frustrated after 30 minutes if it turns out to be an extended task and just end up pushing my code and throwing the Blade aside to get up to get the MacBook. Bash helps but it just ends up prolonging the inevitable if I decide to hunker down and work longer than I anticipated.

EDIT: Sorry realizing this is wildly off-topic i'll shut up about it.

 

Shipment status update: Winter storms are causing unavoidable service delays in the Northwest, Midwest, and Northeast areas.

 

Nooooo!!!

Maybe it made it out ahead of the storm...

 

I have gotten that a lot lately but nothing has been late because of it, so maybe yours wont be delayed.