MSI's NEW Intel 5th Generation Line-up!

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They have the 965m and 970m versions, both with the i7-5700HQ

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Most resellers will have them I would think, if you are looking for something in particular you can just email around and ask

 

The red or gold with 5th Gen i7 and GTX970M is Global SKU, MSI USA does not carry these two in the US.

 

Do you happen to know if the GE62 with 5th gen i7 AND 965m is carried in the US? It is listed on the global site but not MSI USA.

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Yup, it is a big margin per online benchmarks.
980M = 6376 points
970M = 4800 points
965M = 2340 points
960M = 1636 points

 

Not at the moment, currently only these are available in US :

- GTX970M 3GB GDDR5
- GTX960M 2 GB GDDR5

 

Thanks! What would be the reason for not releasing it in the US if there is already a Haswell version?

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So I would have to order it from say a UK website or something?
Or will it be released anytime soon? Perhaps I should email them. I'm asking you as if you work them xD I apologize.
Thanks for the info man.

 

Good find, thanks for sharing

 

The truth is there are lack of demand for GTX965M. There are many manufactures not going to carrying GTX965M anymore and even they do it's just doesn't sell very well. Sager just killed their GTX965M SKU too.

Most likely yes because they are not planing to bring it to US at the moment and again, it's all about the demand.

 

Anyone know a UK site that sells these SKUs and delivers to US? I can't find one.
I was thinking of just buying the regular GS60 and have xotic paint it that color lol. It cost more but, I can't find anything else.

 

Then you could get a unique color too

 

Is there not going to be a refresh nor successor to the GT60?

Too bad since its a great 15.6" notebook with socketed CPU and MXM graphics but it seems MSI and other notebook manufacturers are moving away from either one or both of those options.

 

Socketed CPU is the death of it really since intel will not be producing a socketed mobile CPU.

 

Is there a GS60 SKU with the 6GB 970M and a 1080p panel anymore? Or do you have to use the crappy 4K 48hz panel if you go with the 6GB card?

 

Yeah. You gotta get the 4K panel for the 6GB. >.>
Still beyond me why they didn't fix that.

 

Grumble...

I would be willing to ditch my AW15 and go back to the GS60 if they weren't such idiots with their panel choice. I would consider the GT72 with Gsync also, but it's just too damn heavy for my use. Oh well, guess i'll wait for Aorus X5.

 

I really want the GS60 but they're very...limited with their presets, and only give the awesome colors outside of US.
If it weren't for the 48hz I would have bought it so fast.

Anyone know if the battery on the broadwell is better than the previous model? If not I might as well wait with you for that Aorus X5.

 

Don't buy the Aorus if battery life is a concern, cause it will not have optimus due to having the G-Sync LCD, so battery life will probably suck. I have two laptops, one for work and one for play, so my gaming laptop doesn't need good battery life as long as the other has it.

 

Well I have my XPS currently so it'll be fine. I still may lean over the GS60, since I'm looking for a laptop that can do both when I need it to.

 

I'm sure a GT62 is on the way at some point in the near future, but it will have a BGA CPU (Intel simply stopped supporting sockets for us) and who knows on the GPU... I could see it being MXM or BGA.

You can still get the Haswell version new... I've been very happy with mine.

 

Do you have the 4K one or?

 

For gaming I really don't see the the newer Broadwell CPU's having big improvement over the Haswell models anyway, you might see it in benchmarks but in games you might see a couple more FPS if any.

 

It depends on the game exactly but yes it's more a tweak, it's mostly the IGP that's faster.

 

I've got the 1080p 6GB vram version, very happy with it.

 

MSI has one like that?

 

Primarily in North America.

 

Is it 100% confirmed that there will be no socketed Broadwell CPUs for laptops? Is it the same for SkyLake?

Forgive me if I'm late to the party, but it sounds like Intel is only going to make soldered chips for mobile PCs moving on forward from Haswell.

It seems my 4900MQ is the last of a dying breed.

 

Well, I am not sure there is a press conference where intel explicitly said so, but there are no broadwell socketed parts, and haswell socketed parts have been discontinued I suppose. It's getting increasingly hard to find socketed laptops, so all in all, everything points to a soldered market.

 

Intel are forcing the use of soldered parts through what they sell yes.

 

This ought to answer some questions about Intel's 5th & 6th Gen lineup:

Broadwell (microarchitecture)

Skylake (microarchitecture)

Enjoy!

 

Besides the reason on soldered parts, it is cheaper than providing a socket so manufacturers can reduce cost and put savings onto consumers.
Additionally, Intel can just force pin change on next gen of mobile processors so no one can upgrade existing ones so there's really lack of need of non-soldered processor on notebook PCs.

 

I just wish Intel released a TDP controllable processor, akin to their extreme ones. This is the major bummer haha.

 

Well fully unlocked, the x9xx have limited TDP play.

 

Or a K-version of mobile processor which allows multiplier modification.

 

It would need TDP unlocking to make use of that. The x9xx series +600 mhz usually let's you push to the thermal limits.

 

They do, it's the manufacturers that apply the limits, at least with MQ series. I never tried the HQ, maybe if I find a second hand one that's cheap enough I will give it a try.

Given voltage scaling this is understandable. For instance a Haswell dual core i7-4600m supports unlocked bins up to 40. With the i7-4600m I have, running XTU bench at 4GHz consumes 46W, unlocking it and running at 4.6GHz consumes 87W. Huge increase for just a small number of bins.

 

As far as I know, only MX CPUs have TDP control. The rest of the MQ series can only adjust the time turbo window they have, for which they can stay above their TDP, but even then, you can't run indefinitely at such speeds. HQs are largely the same but being soldered and technically even more locked, so you can't even adjust the turbo window nor limits.

My 4720HQ usually runs below TDP for most games, on average, but it does spike to 58W when things get demanding. I don't mind the 58W, but if I can't maintain my turbo speeds, it will become a performance loss within minutes.

Now, so far even when TDP regulated, I still see speed fluctuate between 3.4 and 3.5 ghz so its not all bad, but you get the idea, if we had TDP control, we could be full turbo all the time. Obviously not all the CPUs need this, but the choice is not even existent. This is particularly more important for the higher end processors, otherwise most of the HQ line will perform identical regardless of your CPU, when under stress.

 

@ryzeki I already run my MQ's above TDP spec and can do so indefinitely providing thermals are kept in check. To do this I had to modify the laptops embedded controller firmware. FWIW the MSI GE60 firmware seems fairly generic in that values exist for different power SKU's of 37W, 47W and 57W. The values for PL1, PL2, PL3, current and battery operation depend on the SKU. For this laptop using a 47W spec'd CPU uses a 38W limit for PL1 on battery while when using a 37W SKU it's 30W even though the battery, supply and cooling are the same so it seems it was written to be used across different laptops rather than specifically for this one. While running on AC PL1 is set to the SKU power.

So if you want more power you are going to have to modify your firmware. You'll have to work out what works for you. PL1 should be set for the maximum continuous power you can use while still providing enough cooling and working within the capabilities of your external VRM, you don't want to be burning out your power FETs.

As an example only, lets say your laptop can constantly deliver 100W to the CPU without burning up and your cooling is able to handle the CPU running 90W continuous while operating with the worse local ambient temperatures you are going to experience. Then PL1 should not be set to more than 90W. You may find you can run a bit higher than this for short periods and this is what you set your PL1 time to. Default has usually been 28 seconds which means if your laptop has been idle it will be able to use more than 90W set by PL1 for 28 seconds or less time if you have recently used some of that extra power as the level will be a rolling average over time. You might want to limit that extra power with PL2, say 110W for example. That means you'll be able to run up to 110W for 28 seconds before dropping back down to the PL1 level of 90W and also set PL2 time to a few milliseconds to allow for short power spikes above 110W. You can still use the normal MSR control for power limiting provided they are set to less than what is used by the EC firmware.

 

So if we modify the PL numbers on the EC we can make the CPU's run at higher TPD? It's worth a shot for the HQ line. The 4720HQ is not the most power hungry CPU since it can only do up to 36 multiplier, and max TDP recorded is around 58W when fully stressing the CPU. If I can manage to make 58W the max TDP, I could run at max CPU speeds indefinitely. I know higher end CPUs like the 4980HQ can consume 80W or so, so that can be more dangerous haha

Awesome! But I hope it works haha

 

The HQ is more locked by Intel I believe rather than the system firmware.

 

AFAIK the i7-4720HQ supports an extra 2 bins for 3.8GHz. I don't know if the refresh supports fully unlocking, if not then it may still be possible to run all 4 cores at 3.8GHz.

What firmware are you using with your 4720HQ?

You would have to test the saturation point of your cooling, ie while monitoring power and temperature run a heavy load until reaching say 90C then slowly back off your clock until temperature just starts dropping. Once it's dropped a little temperature should stay there pretty much and the power reading at that point will be your max continuous power without thermally throttling. Allow for ambient temperatures as well, for instance if your likely to run somewhere where ambient temperature is going to be 5C higher than what you are testing at then you might want to use 85C as your target instead.

While your cooling is cold you can apply a higher power for sometime as it takes a while to heat up and this is where PL1/2 truly work, taking advantage of that heat latency. For example I've been running XTU benches on a Haswell dual core drawing up to 90W and the reason I have been able to do that on stock is that it takes a few seconds to heat up the cooling system from a cool idle. Using a PL1 time of 5 seconds is enough to get an XTU score at 90W while power throttling down to 45W for the rest of the run. XTU uses the highest score of a number of prime95 runs.

Really the whole PL1/2/3 is a very clever idea when one can appreciate what is going on.

 

Divers are available with support for the 2nd Generation Killer N1535 Wireless-AC but the card has yet to appear.

There's new Windows 7 and 8.1 Bluetooth drivers for the N1535 and it's supported in the newest Killer Performance Suite released June 25,2015

According to Killer support MSI has an exclusive on it.
http://www.killernetworking.com/support/driver-downloads

 

Does this work underwater? (only kidding)

 

For anyone curious, the Broadwell series continue to come with Blu-Ray drives, even though they aren't identified as such in listings. HL-DT-ST BD-RE BU20N on my GT72 1423.

These laptops are overall incredible. Build quality, performance, features, value. Hits all the marks.

 

3.6GHz on 4 cores, 3.7GHz on 2 cores and 3.8GHz on 1 core, with a 3.4GHz 4-core base turbo is the 4720HQ's setup. Generally, for ivy and haswell mobile i7 chips, use this formula:
base clock + 1GHz = 1 core turbo
base clock + 900MHz = 2 core turbo
base clock + 800MHz = 3 and 4 core turbo

as for haswell OC allowances:
47xx = +200MHz
48xx = +400MHz
49xx = +600MHz

should be how it goes.

 

Some chips have different base frequencies but the top single core (usually advertised) will be 200mhz above the 4 core turbo speed, and then you can add the bins as above to each step to get the max set frequencies.