Official MSI GE60 & GE70 2012 Owners' Lounge

So, update for those interested in these kinds of things.

GE60 0ND-042US (660M version for anyone who might not know the difference)

Got everything up and running on the OCZ Nocti 128GB mSATA drive, then wiping the original 750GB HDD to use as a data drive. No noticeable issues, everything is running great.

Installed the 301.24 drivers off of laptopvideo2go. Did not take time to compare any differences off the originally installed drivers, but the games I've tested so far (Witcher 2 and Dragon Age II running in DX11 mode) haven't shown any problems.

Pushing settings higher then I would normally play at to get a feel for the systems power. GPU temp is generally stabilizing for me at 80c. Fan is somewhat noticeable when you're playing off the speakers, don't notice at all when using headphones.

 

Thanks Krandor311, please keep us updated.
Could you post a screenshot of GPU-Z (latest version v0.6.2)?
I've read in other reviews of the MSI GE60/70 650M version that there is no disabling of Intel Turbo Boost when the dGPU is active? Can you confirm this with the 660M? A couple of the mid-range Clevo's (W110ER & W150ER) have this issue, and is one of the reasons I didn't get the W110ER.
Notice any severe throttling when temps reach 80C?
And as far as nVidia drivers, have they stopped releasing drivers every month or so for mobile GPUs (to give better gaming performance)? Last I owned was 280M, and never had any major issues with their official drivers.

Edit: Actually I now recall experiencing many problems with drivers for the m17x R1, but never had any issues with the official drivers for the 260M in my old Asus ROG.

Thanks!

 

Looks like it doesn't fully recognize everything while I'm sitting in Integrated mode.

Not sure on the Intel Turbo Boost, how exactly would I check (unless I'm being stupid and the Turbo button up top is an indicator of that)?

 

I believe that when designing the GE-series, MSI tried to make the thinnest, lightest mid-range gaming laptop available, so it's understandable if the chassis flexs more than a heavier (sturdier) laptop. As far as the SteelSeries keyboard, other reviewers have said that it is outstanding, so the notebookcheck review is confusing.

The Lenovo Y580 dimensions are: 15.14x10x1.4; 6.17lbs.
The MSI GE60 dimensions are: 15.09x9.83x1.27-1.46; 5.28lbs

Looking at photos of both notebooks, the MSI is clearly thinner than the Lenovo, but the MSI has much higher feet.

Looks like everything checks out. Thanks.

If you're up to it you could run Prime95 (CPU test) and Furmark (GPU test) simultaneously, and see if the Intel Turbo Boost is disabled. There's really no need to though, as there's at least one review that says it doesn't happen. Or you could play a game with HWiNFO64 running in the background.

I'll probably test it with Prime and Furmark later this week.

Any opinions on the build quality? SteelSeries keyboard any good? Touchpad? Audio quality through headphones? You happy with it?

Thanks!

 

That's as motivated as I'll go for now, time to enjoy it for awhile. That's running off 301.24, no overclocking, no laptop cooler, etc

Build quality seems solid, haven't had any complaints except a little stupidity about initially getting the system to boot off the Windows USB key. Seems like the BIOS might be grumpy about assigning boot order. I eventually just had to delete every option in the BIOS so it could only choose the USB.

Edit: No noticeable throttling, seems like the fans kick in to highest gear around 80c and the system will stabilize there.

 

I believe that's a good score.
Review of the Asus G55VW-S1020V on notebookcheck gets 2543 (3DMark 11 - Performance 1280x720).
It has the same CPU & GPU as the GE60-0ND. i7-3610QM & GTX 660M.
Looking good.

 

Update as I mess around. Diablo III with all settings on High (AA enabled) pushes it past 80c, leveled out at 83c while I was fighting Zulton Kulle. FPS averages 55-60

 

Any reason you chose to use the SATA II OCZ Nochi mSATA SSD instead of a SATA III mSATA SSD?

 

Because Newegg was out of stock of 128GB SATAIII, and I'm leaving the country for 3 months (military) end of the week and didn't want to wait.

SATAII is more then fast enough for me anyways.

 

Do you remember your ambient temps? If you had those temperatures while in the arctic, that would be terrible. If you had them in Death Valley, that would be fantastic.

Of course, you're probably somewhere in the middle of those extremes, haha.

 

Cuz GE60 ran out - just go the GE70 - and i'm really liking the responses so far

No mSATA though cuz I had to invest on a backpack first but hey the mSATA can wait for Windows 8

any thermal issues/consistent keyboard issues?

 

In games, the temperatures seem pretty good, though it's only for games and nothing like Furmark.

I'd actually like to see some IBT and Furmark torture tests.

 

Probably something in the 20c range, my apartment is usually in the high to mid 60s Fahrenheit. System is generally idling in the mid 40s for both CPU and GPU

They are a fairly high but it's not a level that really bothers me. I'm gonna keep running the system for a few days and see if I want to use the tube of IC Diamond I have lying around.

I'm retarded and drank the Amp I had lying on the coffee table so I'm not sleeping for awhile. I'll let Furmark run for awhile while I play around on the PS3.

 

Idling in the mid 40s is pretty darn low in my experience. But your room seems pretty cool too. Thin (but powerful) laptop too.

Thanks Krandor311 for all the input so far.

Best wishes on your deployment!

 

30 minute Furmark Burn-In peaked out at 88c, at which point I realized it was sitting on top of a magazine. Moved that out of the way for proper air flow and it settled into 82-83 for the remaining 20 minutes.

Fans kick into Max @ 80c, which is obviously why all the temps settle into that range. I hit the Cooler Booster button a few times while it was doing the burn in and noticed no change in fan noise or temp

Here's a negative for people to mull around with.

Transferring media over from my external hard drive using the USB 3.0 ports (which are next to the audio ports) causes interference in my ear buds. Now granted, they are Sennheiser IE8s which are quite sensitive and it's not something you would notice unless it was completely silent like it is in my apartment right now, but worth noting.

 

Not bad temps at all. Lots of room for overclocking. Also, probably at the 80C mark the fans go to full blast, so that's probably why the turbo fan didn't sound different. I think that's about the same threshold as my GX660R.

This notebook (specifically the 660m version) is looking more and more attractive. Either this or the more powerful/expensive Sager 9150.

 

Anyone with a Core i7 and 650m have a wattage meter? I am curious to know how much power it consumes when idle and screen on/off. Some gaming or full load readings would be nice too.

 

I just received my brand new MSI GE60 and I have problems with the keyboard.

My keyboard isn't working correctly, it's layout is strange. For example if I press S it types 5. Over half of the keys don't type anything.

I have checked windows 7 options and it says that layout is fine and everything is working correctly. I tried to check the BIOS but keyboard doesn't have the key I need to press to enter.

Sorry for my english, I wrote this in a hurry.
Thanks for the help in advance.

 

Try reseating the keyboard cable. You could do that by removing the keyboard screws, removing the keyboard and reconnecting the cable.

You could also try to reinstall windows.

Let us know what happens.

 

aw man don't reinstall windows, that's got to be the keyboard cable getting jiggled in transport

 

I left for an hour to go make lunch, made sure the screen / hdd didn't shut off.

It was very light browsing (no videos, music, etc). It did last 4 hours however.

 

I don't see any screws near the keyboard and I really don't want to harm the computer so I don't lose warranty or anything.. Is there any guides for reconnecting the cable for this laptop?

I searched internet for solutions and they didn't help.

EDIT: There seems to be a plastic cover over the keyboard which hides the screws. Is it possible to take it off with out breaking it?

 

Not really sure of how the GE series is structured, maybe someone with the laptop can elaborate.

 

update on MSI support

Someone from [email protected] contacted me about my case. However, they did not provide any information except he wanted to know what my issue was. I provided a copy of my newegg review, and that the keyboard sometimes doesn't register keystrokes as well. He didn't respond for most of the day, but then wanted my shipping address... not sure if that means they're going to provide an RMA, but its been 1 day so far, and radio silence again :/

Also, newegg was supposed to get more mushkin msata 128 drives but they're OOS again... WTH!? did I totally screw myself by posting this info in this forum?

we'll see if they get any more in the near future...

they just got some in stock in for one... 150 (including tax) + free 2 day shipping with shop running

 

So, figured that given the layout of vents on the bottom (mostly centered) the laptop would respond well to a laptop cooler, and that seems to be the case.

Grabbed a Thermaltake Massive 23T while at a Fry's picking up a few other things (mostly cosmetic reasons, the other laptop cooler I have is designed for 17" so looked ridiculous paired with the GE60). Got home and ran another 30 minute Furmark.

As to be expected with most coolers, it dropped the temp down a few degrees c (averaged out to 79-80c for Furmark, so a 3c drop roughly), but the nice part was that with the temp not going over 80, it kept the fan from maxing out.

CPU idle temp with the cooler is roughly the same (mid 40s), but GPU idle temp is down all the way to 35, which is very nice.

 

NewEgg? Looks like the Mushkin is $140 for the 120GB, $355 for the 240GB. And thessdreview.com has a review of the MyDigitalSSD mSATAIII drive. I'm going to wait for the Samsung or Crucial mSATAIII drives. Or not, if the GE60 has the issues that several owners are experiencing with the keyboard/trackpad. I'm going to keep it stock for a while to check everything. It'll be delivered today so we'll see.

 

since i live in CA, theres tax

yea i'm hoping mine is a defect and not the norm... hopefully msi can either fix the issue, or send me a replacement..

 

Good thing about non-backlit keyboards -- should be super cheap (and easy) to replace

 

Just to confirm, there's no power connecter for a backlit keyboard anyway, am I right?

 

i believe someone said that since this is hm76 and not 77, it doesn't have power for the keyboard...but if you tell me how to check, I can try to check later tonight

 

Thanks! But unfortunately neither of the three methods described there works and turning on unofficial overclocking in a config file of msi afterburner also does not work :/

On a brighter side I learned how to mod the .inf file of NVIDIAs official drivers to make them work with this notebook 304.48 beta drivers works like a charm (to install, in game performance need to be tested)!

I could post a guide how to mod the .inf file if anyone is interested, it is very easy (notepad and copy and paste easy)

 

The laptop was delivered today. MSI GE60 0ND-042US. I hope that at least one potential buyer finds this review helpful.

MSI Website for the MSI GE60 0ND-042US:
MSI Product Page

Chipset: Intel HM76 (Panther Point). RAID and Intel Smart Response Technology aren't supported on this particular chipset.
Stock Intel i7-3610QM - 2.3GHz Base Clock across all 4 cores; Up to 3.3GHz on 1 core.
Stock nVidia GTX 660M - 835MHz Core Clock (GPU Boost up to 950MHz); Memory Clock 1250MHz.
Stock Elixir 8Gb 1600MHz Memory (2x4GB DIMMS) (Max. 16 GB).
Stock Hitachi 750GB 7200RPM HDD.
Stock Intel Centrino Wireless-N 135, Single Band WLAN Card with Bluetooth 4.0 (1x1 2.4GHz Wifi - Max Speed 150Mbps).

There are 3 internal SATA ports:
ODD (Optical Disc Drive) port is SATA II.
Primary HDD/SSD port is SATA III (a 9.5mm 2.5" HDD/SSD will fit).
mSATA port is SATA III.

Warranty (USA Only):
Warranty is 2 Years from the date of purchase. If you register the notebook online and mail the form in along with the Proof of purchase, you'll get one year of ADC Protection (Accidental Damage Coverage).

MSI Product Registration
MSI Notebook 2 Year Limited Warranty Information
ADC Protection (Accidental Damage Coverage)

First impressions:
It's light-weight (5.28 lbs with battery according to MSI). The relatively thin case is a very glossy black plastic with a simulated brushed aluminum design. It is a bit 'cheap' looking. The design on the lid is very subtle, not garish; I'll be taking it into the office. Flex in the case is minimal, not bad at all, but not as solid as the more expensive gaming notebooks. Battery is small. Power Supply is 120W.

First boot:
Initial bootup for the Windows installation took around 10 minutes. Prior to that, you're presented with the option to install Magix A/V software. Bloatware is average. Around 77 processes at bootup.

Here are the stock programs that are factory installed:

Spoiler

It may be optimal to do a fresh install of Windows, and just install the drivers and a few of the utilities from the included MSI DVD.

S-Bar and the hardware buttons above the keyboard:
Turbo button only lights up when a program is using the dedicated GPU (GTX660M). It can only be configured to launch a program - it cannot provide one-touch overclocking.

Update: S-Bar needs to be running for the on-screen pop-ups when you use the FN keys to adjust the volume, enable the webcam, etc. The FN keys work without S-bar running though. S-Bar also needs to be running for 2 of the buttons above the keyboard to work (DVD-eject, LCD Off). Turbo-fan and Wifi buttons work without S-Bar running. Same on AC & battery.

Keyboard (SteelSeries-Not backlit):
Keyboard is not spongy, there's practically no give, but the space bar is too far to the left, due to the relocation of the Windows key. It's easy to miss the spacebar. Touch typist won't like this keyboard since you really have to apply more pressure than usual. The keyboard has a decent feel, with it's slightly concaved keys and short throw, but using it is a chore - the keys require extra pressure and the relocated space bar was a bad design since it throws off your fingers' 'perspective' of the other keys. Still getting used to it.
The numeric keypad has extra large numbers, which I like.

Trackpad (Elan Smart-Pad):
The Elan Smart-Pad Trackpad works great - I don't notice any erratic movements, though several other owners have mentioned this. With the Elan drivers, I'm able to use multi-finger gestures for scrolling, zooming, rotating, and swiping.

Stock Hitachi 750GB 7200RPM HDD (Hitachi HTS727575A9E364):
Stock HDD is divided into 2 partitions (412GB & 275GB), plus the 11GB hidden recovery partition. I'm used to SSDs, so this HDD feels slow. May try an mSATA SSD later.

Update: Ran CrystalDiskMark (5x1000mb), Sequential Read=110.4mb/s; Write=111.0mb/s.

LCD: Matte 1920x1080 (LG Philips LP156WF1-TLF3 (LGD0259)):
I noticed that the icons seemed too large and fuzzy for 1920x1080, and discovered that the size was set to 125% in Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Display. Changed it to 100%. Screen is good, not great, color gamut isn't as wide as some of the more expensive LCDs, though brightness and contrast is very good.

Audio (Realtek-D/A converters are excellent for a laptop):
The 4 speakers sound really good, I was really impressed considering that it's a laptop.
Headphone jacks are powerful and clear with wide dynamic range. Better than any of the other laptops I've owned. I don't need to use an external audio interface to listen to music any longer. I don't notice any interference when an external HDD is used, or when the stock HDD is spinning. I'm using Audio Technica ATH-M50s headphones.

Intel Turbo Boost and nVidia GPU Boost:
nVidia GPU Boost works simultaneously with Intel Turbo Boost. And it's automatic. Excellent. And the clocks look right.

Update: Unigine Heaven 3.0: While running Unigine Heaven, the GTX 660m's core clock auto-OC'd to and stayed steady at 950.2MHz, the memory clock was steady at 1249.7MHz. The i7-3610QM auto-OC'd to and stayed steady at 3.1 to 3.2GHz. Peak Turbo Boost on a single core is 3.3GHz, but we won't see that when running multi-threaded apps.

Intel Turbo Boost did peak at a steady 3.3GHz while running only Super-Pi, which is a single-threaded benchmark.

Update: There was a bit of CPU + GPU throttling while running Furmark + Prime95 simultaneously (GPU + CPU Torture Test) in a warm room, so ambient temperatures do play a big role here. Screenshots are near the end of the review.

Screenshot of Intel Turbo Boost and nVidia GPU Boost running simultaneously; plus temperatures:

Spoiler

Temperatures (Stock Thermal Compound; No Laptop Cooler):
In a 82 F (27 C room), CPU idles at around 50C, nVidia GPU at under 40 C.
Running Unigine Heaven windowed with Super-Pi-Mod, CPU-Z, GPU-Z, Intel Turbo Boost Monitor, and HWMonitor running, the CPU temps reached 90 C, GPU 81 C.

Update: In a 82 F (28 C) room, while running Furmark + Prime95 simultaneously, Max GPU temp was 95 C; Max CPU Temp was 97 C.

Battery (NEC PC-VP-BP77 48840 mWh):
Update: Today I tested the battery life using the 'Power Saver' Windows Power Plan. All settings were at their defaults, except I disabled the "Hibernate After" & "Sleep After" settings and changed the Critical Battery action to 'Sleep' rather than 'Hibernate'. Critical Battery level was changed to 1% from the default 5%. Wifi was on, as well as Bluetooth, for my Orochi mouse. Most of the time was spent working in MS Office. Also surfing the web, listening to music, and watching a few YouTube videos. Also uninstalled some more bloatware using Revo. Continuous typical office work - no breaks. Bluetooth mouse was auto-disconnected by Windows at 9% battery life remaining. Trackpad still worked.
Battery drained to 1% after 3 hours 47 minutes, after which the laptop went to sleep as expected.

Update: Unigine Heaven + FutureMark 3DMark benchmarking results are here: (Using Stock Drivers at Stock Clocks + OC'd)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/8639903-post448.html

Update: GPU + CPU Torture Test - Furmark + Prime95 results are here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/8650187-post527.html
http://forum.notebookreview.com/8653349-post553.html

Update: GPU Torture Test - Furmark results are here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/8650377-post534.html

Here is the stock WEI: (By the way, this is not a very accurate assessment tool)

Spoiler

Everything seems to work properly - no build quality issues, all of the ports work, the buttons work, no dead pixels, but the keyboard is a bit of a let-down. Hopefully I'll get used to it soon.

Performance is good, battery life is decent, nVidia Optimus works well, and at a bit over 5 lbs, it's easily carried with 1 hand. I'll be using this laptop for office work and for light gaming.

I was waiting for a 13" or 14" laptop with a 1920x1080 LCD and at least a GT 650M but it looks like that's not going to happen any time soon. HP DV4t with 35W i7-3612QM and GT 650 2GB GDDR5 comes closest but the 1366x768 LCD is a deal-breaker for me. Plus it weighs only a bit less than this MSI GE60.

 

I checked and there is no power connector for backlit keyboard.

Our video review for GE70 with GTX660M :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcXIJCB8rUw

 

Ah bummer. Oh well, I've lived without backlit for nearly two years now, so it's not exactly a deal breaker.

Ken, have you experimented with some overclocking? It looks like GTX 660M has some serious overclocking potential.

I don't know if this still holds true, but a roughly 20% overclock gave me a roughly a 20% GPU score increase in Vantage for my 5870. If there's similar clock-to-score scaling for nVidia, a 15%-20% increase should get me close to 670m performance. (Although I do have to wonder if the scores from NoteBookCheck are with the turboboost thingamajig enabled; if so, things are going to get complicated.)

 

Is there an alternative keyboard that might fit this (GE60) laptop? Perhaps something I could buy off ebay and stick in myself? Unlikely huh.

I could adapt to an unusually placed space bar, but having to apply much more pressure to type would risk tendonitis for me.

 

lh6kean, it'd be great if you can do a guide about modding that .inf file for installing the drivers from nvidia and not waiting for the manufacturer drivers
also is optimus still working after the install?

Sequencer1, could you tell me what are the clocks in turbo for the gpu and cpu???

tks!

 

I had assumed this was something I missed when I did a reformat, but after sending an e-mail to MSI tech support they confirmed that it's just there to launch whatever. For the sake of making the button feel logical I'll hotkey it to Gamebooster or something.

Also, about changing the drivers. Optimus is a part of the Nvidia drivers, so it will function no matter what driver you're using. Installing the 301.42 drivers was as simple as downloading the driver and modified inf off of Laptopvideo2go.com. The links to both are on the same page.

 

Any word on those beta drivers nVidia posted yesterday? They say they support the 660M but when I tried to install it wouldnt work.

 

BenWah,
Last years MSI GE620 looks like it has the same chassis/case as this year's GE60. Maybe a reseller could confirm that the GE620's keyboard will work?
And as far as the extra pressure that's required to type, it's not bad, and I'm not going to replace it, but it does require a bit more pressure than the keyboard on the Clevo P150HM and my Acer 3820TG. Maybe it's because the MSI is still new? I work with MS Word daily, so I'll have to get used to this keyboard.

spaceraulx,
While running Unigine Heaven, the GTX 660m's core clock OC'd to and stayed steady at 950.2MHz, the memory clock was at 1249.7MHz.
The i7-3610QM OC'd to and stayed steady at 3.1 to 3.2GHz. Peak should be 3.3GHz, but it didn't get that high for me when running the GPU benchmark.
Power supply is only 120W, I'm not sure if that's the reason, or maybe some hidden BIOS setting to deal with power and heat. I'm just satisfied that Intel Turbo Boost works at the same time as nVidia GPU Boost.

Running the stock nVidia drivers (8.17.12.9631 aka 296.31) and benching with Unigine Heaven 3.0 (DX11, 1280x1024, defaults except tessellation off), the GTX 660m scores FPS:47.6, Scores:1200, Min FPS:25.8, Max FPS:95.1.

Running Unigine Heaven 3.0 with settings the same as above, except tessellation on normal, the GTX 660m scores FPS:33.3, Scores:838, Min FPS:8.0, Max FPS:77.4.

Scores look normal compared to other notebooks with the same CPU & GPU. CPU temp was 89C, GPU 85C.

 

How to mod *.inf file of NVIDIA official drivers to install on a system with a NVIDIA 650m


Short instructions (works for me and possibly all MSI GE60/GE70 with NVIDIA 650m)

1. Download and unpack the official drivers to be moded

2. Search for and open NVMI.inf in the folder of the official drivers (open with notepad)

3. Go to section
[NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6.0]
paste the line
%NVIDIA_DEV.0FD1.10C7.1462% = Section025, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0FD1&SUBSYS_10C71462

4. Go to section
[NVIDIA_SetA_Devices.NTamd64.6.1]
paste the line (same line as in 3.)
%NVIDIA_DEV.0FD1.10C7.1462% = Section025, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0FD1&SUBSYS_10C71462

5. Go to section
[Strings]
paste the lines
NVIDIA_DEV.0FD1.10C7.1462 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M "
NVIDIA_DEV.0FD1.10CD.1462 = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M "

6. Run setup.exe


Advanced notes (use if the Short instructions does not work for you)

NVMI.inf is found in C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\Installer*\Display.Driver.*\,
the stars are numbers, open the folders with the highest number.
The naming convention of this file is NV**.inf, the stars are capital letters, this
is the only file named with four capital letters in that folder
(In the MSI graphic drivers there are only one NV**.inf file but in NVIDIAs official
drivers there are several such files).

Lines to be pasted are copied from the NVMI.inf of the MSI graphic drivers.

PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0FD1&SUBSYS_10C71462 is the hardware id of the GPU and can be found
in Windows Device Manager.


In case of nonedesirable outcome

If you cannot solve the problem reinstall the latest working graphic drivers.



Update: coolguy enlightened me that this guide is missing some very important parts but I will try to update the guide to includes them

 

Yeah, scores look congruous with what I see on Notebookcheck. Which, with your data on clock speeds, means that for all intents and purposes the true core clocks are 950MHz.

And thermal performance reminds me a bit of my old G51VX. I wonder what Moar Holez™ and Moar Coppah™ would do for that.

 

Thanks, great little review, looking forward to read your gaming experiences. +rep

 

MSI has agreed to replace the keyboard and the trackpad, but newegg offered to replace the whole laptop. I'm not sure which option is better, but I think i'll return it to newegg and hope that mine old one was just a terrible defect. If that doesn't work, then I'll have to get msi to fix the "new" one... i guess i'll have to hold off on installing that msata drive....

 

I'd say go with MSI. Newegg will probably give you a refurbished one, which means more problems.

Just my opinion

 

I really want to buy a GE60/70 just because of the price and the portability of it. But i cant stand a keyboard especially a gaming one without a backlit keyboard. Has any resellers tried to install one? Is is missing the extra port for one?

Thanks.

 

Ken confirmed that there's no power connector for a backlit keyboard.

 

i would also just get a new trackpad/keyboard, they're so easy to install yourself too if they send the parts

 

Hey guys,

I got my GE60 a few days ago, loving it. I bought myself an mSATA SSD to pop into it but I was wondering. If I use the recovery partition, can I make it so that it installs Windows+Software..etc, ON the SSD and NOT the HDD...?

Might save me time installing Windows manually with drivers. Thanks!

 

Read here before any HDD cloning,Backup Partition or Recovery migration to an SSD.

SSD Migration or Fresh System Installation - An SSD Primer - The SSD Review

 

Thanks for that. So I guess the best solution would be to do a fresh install of Windows...