Official MSI GE60 2013 Owners Lounge

Noticed this as well. Tried forcing the nvidia graphics from the control panel, no luck (as you can see from the screenshots).

 

Has anybody noticed lower screen brightness on the lower third of the screen? On normal use its unnoticeable but on solid background like the windows 8 metro interface ones is a little bit annoying.

 

I got 5.2 graphic score on win 7 I heard that some people get strange results from WEI because it uses some unlogic parameters to test new systems.

I have checked it on various backgrounds but couldn't notice anything on my screen hmm

 

Has anyone tested the 2OC version?
Amazon.com: MSI G Series GE60 2OC-097US 15.6-Inch Laptop (Black/Red): Computers & Accessories

 

What's there to test?
It has a slower GPU and runs windows 7 out of the box.

 

Well for one thing heat under load?
Slower GPUs tend to run cooler and for those of us who will be using this under rendering conditions, this might be useful.
As for the quip about Windows 7, some of us want it that way.

 

Like noobie107 said, what is there to test then? We all know how Windows 7 is, and with a slower GPU it will run cooler while performing less than the 765m. Other than that they're identical.

 

You're right. I guess I just wanted someone with the laptop to give actual numbers of heat etc.
To be fair though, other Haswell laptop families who have even identical internals cn operate very differently on the heat issue so its good to get actual reviews.
Eg. Asus N750JV and N550JV: Same CPU and GPU yet the smaller 15.6" has better cooling than the 17" go figure...

 

Not that the GTX765M runs hot in the first place...

 

That's true. Since it's the same chassis as the other GE60 though, it's safe to assume that it would run cooler. I can't imagine the internal configuration being so different between them.

No that's right it doesn't, especially if you replace the stock thermal paste. I saw a pretty good drop in temps after I did that on my GE60.

 

The 750m also uses roughly 65% the wattage of the 765m (30-40W vs. 50-75W), which would significantly alter the battery life. A lot of people seem to be hung up on the battery life, so that could be significant in addition to heat.

 

What are you guys using to clean the laptop?
The brushed aluminum shows some grease marks, likely from my hands and when I clean with a damp cloth seems to leave a smudge that can be seen under some lighting

Its not too visible but my ocd is kicking in and I'm wondering what you guys use?

Thanks

 

Hello I have received my new ge60 with 750m and I have tested the temperatures with real temp . Could you check if they match yours? The room temperature was 28,5°C.
I think that 85*C(89 has been reached only during the first part of 100% load, soon the temperature dropped to 85-86) is a good max temperature but I think I can reduce it significantly, I'm working on a project to lower it under 80. If all work properly, owners with the 765m model will have the best advantage

 

I aint't an owner but should I get the GE60 with the GTX 765m or should I go with a Surface Pro tablet? Is the GE60 worth getting for note taking at school? Do these high temps pose any problems? Are there any other problems?

 

The integrated GPU is in use on battery...

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/722196-official-msi-ge60-2013-owners-lounge-31.html#post9287568

 

I think that we should check the temperatures with the same method and separate the results between the model with 765m and 750m; otherwise the temps we obtain are not standardized.

 

For note taking you should buy neither. If you just need to take notes and are a student, you should buy the cheapest android tablet you can get, because school is a great place to get things damaged, stolen or otherwise rendered non-usable. If note taking is all you really need, hell you can have my Casio pda from 1998, it can handle that just fine. If you're looking at the GE60, I can only imagine that gaming is a priority, regardless of what you may be telling your family/spouse/grant program. No need to hide it here. If you want a gaming laptop for cheap, you're in the right place. For any other purpose, you are not.

 

You beat me to it. I want to stress how right he is. I have a GE70, for now until my Sager comes in, and I also carry a note 10.1 which i got refurbished for sub 200. That is an amazing machine for taking notes and I would recommend it any day especially at the price I paid. I only use the note while in class unless I have to do some programming then I will use the laptop but the battery life is just not suitable for a full day of note taking where the tablet is perfect for it and will last me multiple days without charge.

I also owned a surface pro. It was not a bad machine but basically a lot of hype. It's battery life due to the I5 was not good enough for a full day for my uses.

 

Don't get a gaming laptop for school, there are better options out there.

As the previous comments have said, there are cheap Android tablets out there that can do the job if you're after note taking capabilities. The Surface Pro actually great for that as it has digital pen support. Pair that with OneNote and it's very powerful. It's somewhat expensive if you need something to just take notes though, and the battery life isn't great either. I have a Surface RT that I use for work. So far it's been great and they're really cheap right now too. Go to a Best Buy (or similar store) and try out the Surface RT/Pro and the Android tablets and see which feels better for you though.

 

It depends, if he needs a catch all device to use in a dorm they can be quite good as a desktop can take up too much space.

 

I have not opened the bottom plate as i don't want to void my warranty YET, but i heard someone say there's a spare slot for a 2nd mSATA? Is this for all GE60 models? Do they all have a RAID controller for that also?

 

There are in fact 2. I'm pretty sure there is a picture somewhere early in the thread. I'm not quite so cool as to open mine right now to duplicate. Yes to all of your questions actually.

 

Hi, I just ordered the laptop. I'm very concerned with the heat issues, I've literally read the whole thread for the past hour or so... This is like the best spec-ed laptop I could find within my buget ($1200). I need a laptop thats portable for University and is powerful enough to run most games in high. Would you guys still recommend this? I was also looking at the Lenovo Y500 dual gpu (Gt 650m) and ASUS ROG G45vw (GTX 660M). Thoughts?

 

I have the i7 4700QM with 750M and the temps are fine. While gaming i leave the fan on max (i don't have a cooler) and max temps for both CPU & GPU are ~80 C. With normal tasks the fan rarely engages, and rarely goes above 55 C. I paid $1,600 AUD for the 120Gb SSD + 750GB drive version & i'm very pleased. Just wish there was a backlit keyboard.

 

I had the same issues, and I bought it about 2 weeks ago. The first thing to mention is that thing stays pretty much silent and very cool when doing normal stuff like surfing the web, school work, watching movies.
When playing games it gets hot with the stock paste, simple as. However, I've undervolted the CPU and the temps stay in the high 80s to mid-90s when gaming. With the turbo fan on it doesn't hit 90C. The touchpad gets pretty warm when gaming (at the highest temps) but not so hot that it ever hurt me. This is with about 35 hours of gameplay in the last 2 weeks (lol).

If I repaste temps would drop even further. Battery life is something to consider. For basic tasks like uni work most people manage 3-4 hours with various settings / tweaking.

Also compared to the 650M SLI and 660M the 765M is much more powerful and will last you longer

Hope this helps

You have a 2013 model with no backlight?
I thought all models this time around had the blue backlight. Guess the 750m version doesn't have it?
Interesting

 

Ah, yes. That's why I was leaning towards this one until I found out about the heating issues. The thing is though, the Asus G46vw is $300 cheaper right now (on sale) with a better battery life, although that is not a main concern since I can always find outlets in uni. So Im not sure if the GE60 is still worth it with all the issues.

 

The performance difference between the 650M and 760/765 is HUGE though.

 

I have a small issue with my new ge60, 750m version. I received it with dos so I have installed win 7 64bit and downloaded the drivers through msi liveupdate. The problem is that the fan is always on, even at the startup and even browsing only. It is not run at 100% load but it is clearly audible. The cpu/gpu temperatures are under 45°C. Are windows 7 drivers the problem ?

That has been a bad surprise for me. Everywhere you can find images of ge60 with backlight keyboard but only 750m version doesn't have it.
I think I could buy a spare part but it costs 80-100 euro, too much for only the backlight feature.

 

I'm loving this laptop with a 120GB mSATA boot/app drive.
The stock paste job is pretty bad (pics on page 31), but a little effort goes a long way.
It's perfect for me and I get compliments on it at the uni where I teach.
The first post of this thread doesn't do the laptop justice and is clearly biased.

 

Is it light enough to carry around campus, walking? Also, how many hours do usually get using it for doing university work? And is it hard to repaste? I've built my own desktop but I've never owned a laptop before. LOL

 

I usually can't hear the fan running at those sort of temps unless there is silence in my room, but I think my fan is running all the time but quiet enough to be drowned out by ambient nose (like my ac for example)
Also if your in europe you may want to email MSI and tell them you expected a backlit keyboard since all advertising for the new GE60 model showed this feature. They might send you a backlit replacement. May be helpful to look into false advertising regulations in your country and throw some leagal jargon into the message if there are laws pertaining to this and the website doesn't mention a non-backlit version anywhere

+1
The SSD makes such a difference (especially as this is my first laptop with one), I haven't done a re=paste yet but based on what others have said (including you noobie) it pretty much mitigates most of the heating issues.
Many of the earlier owners didn't try to fix the issues it seems or decided to go with the alternatives.

It's about 2.6kgs so I've not had issues with it. Uni hasn't started yet but last year I lugged my old laptop to uni daily (walking 1.5km each way) and that weighed more than this so it should be ok.
But each person is different so it is worth finding the weight of the charger and seeing how much the total would be.

For uni related work, I get about 3 hours running wi-fi, working on word documents / matlab work, as well having web pages open at about 30-40% brightness.
I think one of the members reported getting about 4 hours for school work earlier in the year so mine might need more than 2/3 charges to get properly caibrated.

Repasting the laptop isn't too difficult. After removing the backplate, you need to unscrew the fan, then unscrew and remove the heatsink, repaste and put everything back.
You should be fine since you;ve built desktops before and there are step by step guides here and on youtube.

 

If I am alone in my bedroom the fan is clearly audible, I thought that with office tasking the passive dissipation was enough.

I have send a message to msi regarding the keyboard, we wiil see what they reply...

Repasting the cpu and gpu of this notebook is very easy, you should only unscrew 4 screws of the heasink and 3 of the fan. MSI put too much thermal paste.

 

Let me start by saying that those of you who are just now buying these models are at a disadvantage. Those of us who bought them closer to release have already hashed out all of the issues, talked about optimization until we got bored and finally moved on to other topics. The answers to all of your questions exist earlier in this thread, but it takes a lot of patience to catch up on a 50 page thread. That is sadly your best bet though as most of the knowledgeable people have moved on and if you PM them, they will likely just get pissed off and tell you to use forum search. I'll try to help when I can, but I am also in this category.

If your backlighting is not working or cannot be changed, or your fan is always on full blast, you need to download the firmware for your model. The reason this is happening is because that is what those little buttons on the upper left do. Without the firmware, they don't function and are always at their default position, which is off for the backlight and on for the turbo fan.

As for the questions about heat, battery life, repasting etc. I hate to be a jerk like this, but READ UP ON THE THREAD. Those issues are pretty much all we talked about for the first 20 pages, so if you put any effort into research, you will find those answers in very excruciating detail.

 

You are right about repasting and battery life but the other problems are still unsolved. The backlight that doesn't work is not the same problem discussed previously because the model with 750m doesn't have the backlight keyboard, and it is better to say that again because the more popular 765m model has it.

The problem of the fan is still open because if you read the post #212 the user said that the fan is not audible during light work but if you read the post #38 another user has the same problem of mine and he hope in a bios update.SO actually the fan is still an issue.

 

Why are we at a disadvantage if we buy it now?

 

Because there is apparently a lack of reading comprehension.

 

Are you certain you downloaded the firmware? There is a firmware download separate from the BIOS on MSI's website. This is software specifically for the "daughter board" which controls all of the external features, the same as the main BIOS controls the motherboard. Your laptop has one even if there is no backlighting, as it also controls the function keys and any other external buttons. Normally this is pre-configured from the factory, but a few people have had the same problem. MAKE SURE YOU DOWNLOAD THE VERSION THAT CORRESPONDS WITH YOUR WINDOWS VERSION. If you download the windows 8 version on win 7, it is possible to either brick the main BIOS memory, or permanently make your function keys not work. If you're not confident about this, unfortunately the best solution may be to RMA. It's totally MSI's problem as they are supposed to ship with the most current BIOS and firmware.

 

The GT750 version (2OC) doesn't have a backlit keyboard, and I do wish the MSI firmware would turn off the fan when idling.
Maybe there's a way to mod the fan tables in the firmware.

 

I don't know if pherein's fan control tools work on the GE series, you could try.

 

I just tried it.
No fan controllers detected.

 

When I do simple things with my GE60, fan starts to run for 1-2 secs and stops, starts again, runs 1-2 secs and stops, and it keeps going continously (PC is not warm). Do you guys have the same problem?

 

I don't have any problems with mine.
Try updating your BIOS and firmware if you haven't already: MSI Global GE60 2OE

 

Hmm, I have now win 7 installed on my laptop. The bios update files seem to be old in official website for win 7 (I got version 509 installed now, there are versions 110 and 310 for win 7 as I understood). How do I do update? Which file should I download? I have 2oe one.

 

Did anyone do bios update in new MSİ GE60/70 laptop (20e etc.). If yes which download link did you use, what version was it?

 

I did, with the ones i this link:
MSI Global GE60 2OE

Remember to choose the correct file for the controller mode (AHCI or RAID). If you dont know what i'm talking about you're surely using AHCI mode.

 

Thank you for your help. I am confused about the versions. When I check the version of my bios it says the version is 513. There are only 110 one for win 7 AHCI ( I have win 7 installed). Is this something else hmm. Another reason that I wanted to do BIOS update is that I heard that GPU Boast does not work for some people if they don't do bios update.

 

The last two digits are the version number so they are all based off the same code.

 

I had to wipe my HDD and install Win7 instead of Win8 , but my problem right now is, the WLAN drivers are installed but it says it is not enabled, and can't use my wireless adapter , it says to flick a switch or something but I cannot find anything on the keyboard or laptop that enables it, does anyone know the solution ?

 

Is the wireless led off? Try Fn+F10 to disable plane mode.
Otherwise check control panel->system->devices manager