Owners Lounge for the totally configurable MSI 1651 ID2

I set every mode to 0.89V.

EDIT: It is now sitting a 1.0V for the 3d mode with 625/1600/900.

 

If anyone is interested, i might be selling my gt628. It will come with tv tuner, 4gb g.skill ram along with 9 and 6 cell battery + all the little heatsinks if you want them.

 

You moving to the capella platform?? Good luck with it..

 

not really, just found a good price for a better laptop.

If anyone can confirm that the gt628 can accept 75w cards, i would most likely keep it and just buy a 280m. But I doubt it works.

 

I did a little experimenting (260M GTX) and found the heat sink screws of the(1651/gt628) do not fit with a 260M GTX card, the screws are to big from the heat sink to properly fit.
I thought about removing the backplate from the 260M GTX and swapping it out with the 160M GTS backplate but decided not to.
I didn't feel like absolutely destroying both cards just for a chance of them working.
Powered it up with the 260M GTX anyway ( without heatsink) just to see if it would turn on and guess what it did...........but for only about 10 seconds
I didn't plan on leaving on for long just wanted to see if it booted up ( this is all done with a Zalman 2000 cooler underneath just in case).
Not sure if the 260 M GTX card was sucking up too much power or what but decided the risks were too much.
Look someone might be brave enough to actually get everything to fit with the removal of the backplates on both the GPU's to properly install them with the heatsink and all but not me.
I would suggest you NOT go this route to save you some time,money and heartache.
Why you thinking of selling your laptop?
What are you looking to get?

 

What is the tdp of the GTX260m vs the GTS260M?

 

65W vs 38W

the 160m gts is 60W

 

I do believe the GTX 260m will work just not 100% positive.. We need someone to test it out to see if it downclocks or not..

 

Why would you want a downclocked 260M GTX( ASUS G51 )
While it still would be a great GPU in this system it sort of defeats the purpose of adding it in the first place.
The 160M GTS is a pretty good card in itself but it does run a little hot in the MSI.
Don't know for sure if there any other way besides taking the backplates off each card and swapping them to make the heat sink work but I have a gut feeling the MSI stock heatsink is not beefy enough to handle the extra power and heat a 260M GTX/280M GTX would put out making for a even hotter running GPU/laptop.
Now I'm sure there are much smarter people with way more guts than me to actually make them work but it would require more moding than my feeble mind is capable.
I say if you want to upgrade to a better GPU go with a 250M GTS that they are going to put in the MSI GT640 unless of course they are completely different setups.
I gave it my best shot.

 

My OC 160m rarely goes pass 80.

 

What did you use to undervolt your GPU? I used the NBR Undervolting guide for my CPU (dropped my load temps from ~86 to about ~70). Hoping to get similar results with my GPU. Unexpected side effect of undervolting the CPU is my GPU temps are about ~5 cooler under load.

 

GPUZ(for bios acquisition)+Nibitor(for bios edit)+Nvflash(for bios flashing)

 

I just got a msi netbook as a gift and am wondering if these babies are good, or should I just try to get rid of it and change brands? ( I am a web designer so I need to use certain applications and I need them running fast ) Thx for the advice
DJ

 

Netbooks are good as Internet and email companions, but not at all for what you describe regardless of the brand. They don't have much power (speed).

You should probably sell that, or just keep it as a walk around unit, and get something with a Core2 Duo, Quad, or i7 processor for your work unit.

 

Get a GT640...

 

GT640 may well never be brought into the US, it is more for the European market.

The equivalent MSI model will be the new 1656 that should be in the US by late November.

 

does the gt628 support raid?

The gt628 can support 2 hard drives when one takes out the optical drive and gets a hard drive bay.

 

Do tell? What sort of GPU will the 1656 have? Is another 17" slated for the US market as well?

 

holy crap, new bios, anybody want to elaborate what it actually updates?
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=bios&maincat_no=135&prod_no=1881

 

Both the MS-1656 (GT640) and the MS-1727 (GT740) will have the nvidia GTS 250M with 1GB DDR3.

 

How come Toshiba is using the gddr5 version, but MSI is using gddr3? Are they insane?

 

I figured using GDDR5 would drive the price up quite a bit.

 

So has anyone updated to the new bios yet? I'm not touching it until someone tries it out

 

Hi guys, I might be buying this laptop soon and I have a question for you. I'm debating between getting this and a Sager 8662. The thing is the Sager is going to be discontinued soon since a newer model just came out, and I'm not sure if I'll be able to buy it buy then. That's what brought me to look at this one, and I can get pretty much the same configuration except for the GPU.

My question is how does the GTS 160M compare to the GTX 260M? I'm going to be doing some mid-level gaming, so will I really notice a difference here or isn't it something I should really be thinking about?

 

GTX 260M= awesome.2nd best mobile GPU you can find in a 15" laptop and can play every game very well.
GTS 160M=very good.While not quite in the GTX class it still is very good and can play most games very well.
For mid-level gaming a GTS 160M is just fine.

 

Thanks for the input. The thing that bothers me though is that one day I could get the 260M in my price range, and the next day I can't. I don't really know how often manufacturers upgrade their models, but is there any chance that in the coming couple months the 1651 could be configured with a 260M, or is it probably just going to stay the same?

 

It will most likely stay with the 250M for the foreseeable future...but according to benchmark testing there is very little difference between the two.

For example, the 160M scores in the 10-11,000+ range, and the 260M is only a few hundred points higher with stock settings, but once you activate the Turbo OC on the 1656 the gap narrows to about 100 points...certainly nothing you can actually see while gaming.

 

Wow thanks for the speedy answer. So it looks like something I shouldn't really be worrying to much about then, which is great news.

One last question. Is there a difference between the PowerPro 15:3 you have on your site and the Force 3551 version of this notebook, or is that just how it's branded by different stores?

 

The PowerPro P 15:2 is the newer version of the 1651 (called the 1651 ID2) that has the DDR3/1066 system memory and the GeForce GTS 160M w/1GB GDDR3.

It is the same laptop, branded differently by Xoticpc as their Force 3551.

 

Thanks for clearing everything up for me paladin, now it's just a mater of saving the money to buy it.

 

Is there an ETA on when this model will get the 250M? I figure that that should fix my one major concern with the model (limited battery life). Or did you mean 260 and only typo it?

 

The 17" PowerPro I 10:17 (MSI 1727) w/the new Intel i7 processors (Calpella) and the GeForce GTS 250M w/1GB GDDR3 is on our site now for pre-order with shipping to begin in early November.

The 15.4" version (MSI 1656) will be available for pre-order toward the end of October and will begin shipping in late November.

No typo...the 15.4" PowerPro P 15:2 (MSI 1651 ID2) is shipping now with the GeForce GTS 160M w/1GB GDDR3...and it is really an amazing card that costs a bunch less, but its performance is right up there with the 250M and 260M. The benchmark comparisons I was making were between the PowerPro P 15:2 and the Sager NP8662.

 

Nice. I'll be waiting for October to see the pricing on the 1656. The 160M is an amazing card and has more than enough power. I'm just high on the 250M because of its amazingly low power draw (less than half of the 160M) with equal performance, which might allow the rig to hit 3+ hours of battery life (on the 6 cell).

 

You will like the pricing, except for the processors which are more expensive.

The i7-720QM is about the price of the P9700, and the i7-820QM is about the price of the T9900.

 

To bad there probably will not be any "ES" i7 on ebay.

If battery life is of concern, nothing will beat the hp envy (the 15" version), with i7 + 4830 + the battery slice = stupidly long battery life

Anyway, I am starting to mess around with setfsb again, and I decided to disable SpeedStep in the bios, but the funny thing is, it doesn't do anything. The cpu still downclocks. What's the point of having it in the bios then.

 

I installed the bios v1.11 And well, there is nothing new. The changelog was added compatibility for device though the name of that device is not mentioned...

 

Will there be any non-quad option on the 1656 for those of us who don't mind the dual core option for lower power consumption?

 

Sorry, but they will only be using the i7 mobile cpu's, which are all quads atm.

 

did it add anything in the bios? go into the bios, go to the second screen (where the pci legacy timer, achi, speedstep is) and hit "alt" + "inst" to see if they added an advance menu.

 

Here you go:

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Intel-Quad-...96QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCPUs?hash=item3a5368fa38

ES Core i7 Q820 Mobile..

 

No, it is a totally different chipset for the i7 (Calpella) with dramatically different architecture.

There will be another platform of i7 and i5 processors (Arrandale) coming in Q1 of 2010 that will be 2 cores/4 threads.

 

Thanks for the info. I'll keep that in mind.

 

I am sorry but MSI are total idiots for putting in the GTS 250m in there 15 and 17'' laptops considering there the GDDR3 version.. It makes me sick.. Unreal..

 

lol thanks

to bad there are not any i7 barebone laptops.

 

Wait, so MSI probably won't release the GT640 in the US? But they will release the whitebook version? I wonder why MSI doesn't like the US market, as they had the GT627's out here, and also the GX's. Maybe those didn't sell well in the US. Anyways, MSI needs to set some things straight. I guess we will have to wait and see, but their company is really making me upset. I really want to like them as they make great machines, but updating their gaming line w/ DDR3, delaying the GT628 and then canceling it, not releasing the GT640, and I read that they will only offer a 2 year warranty vs 3 for the GT640? I might just pick up a Sager.

 

Is there a reason you wouldn't want a totally configurable whitebox version with a one or three year warranty that can also have a no dead pixel warranty?

 

Yes the barebones are better in some cases.. You can get the built the way you want them.. The preconfigured ones from MSI have the fancy colors and the touch sensor panels though.. I go for preformance..

 

Plus some us enjoy the simpler and calm aesthetics of their barebones over their bold red and black self branded rigs.

 

100% agree with that. The ms-1651 barebones has a touch panel too, with media keys, wireless, bluetooth, etc.

 

The GT628, when it seemed like it was going to hit the market, actually priced out better than a similarly equipped barebones. Of course, maybe that's why it never actually hit the market.