Ryzeki's MSI GT60 2OD-026US review! Haswell plus 780m :D

Thank you for reading! As far as I know, it does not have independent bypass from the HDMI. I am not sure about the displayport but I shall find info around and investigate the matter! I do remember using 3d vision with an external monitor on my last laptop, the GT70 barebones using the PS3 3D monitor and some tweaking. Maybe it can be done?

The waiting game can be so harsh sometimes haha, but cheer up! Every second that passes is one second closer to your laptop

I will try to record mine later today because I have to go out but mine does not seem to do that. Try blowing with a can of compressed air to ensure nothing is stuck near the fan causing the noise. if it does this constantly yeah you can send the computer so they can change the fan for you.

Awesome! Well it seems even on stock the computer needs the battery for full performance huh? That's odd but kind of makes sense because every now and then I do get a 1% drop in battery faster than usual.

 

The fan noise should not be there at all! I had the same problem and bought one. Make sure you get the T&T one as a replacement. The one you have now in your system is NSTECH which is a piece of sh!t... I guess, you could ask for a replacement of the fan, but as far as it works and does not affect the performance of your notebook, they may not agree to replace it.

 

That's exactly it. I opened and checked the brand : it is a NSTECH one.

Do you know where I can buy a T&T one online ? This noise is making me crazy...

 

Thanks for the awesome review man! I know it had to take some time! Just ordered the same machine, should show up Tuesday. Your review helped with the decision a ton. See you around the boards.

 

Very nice man congrats
It should be a huge improvement over your ASUS G46, tell us what you think once you get it.

 

Hi Ryzeki, I wonder what the differences between GT70 over GT60, for the price of $1999, i can get an additional 128GB SSD, higher RAM capacity on GT60. although screen size is smaller but it shown resolution is the same

 

Thanks for reading and glad I could be of help to your decision! See you around man, I hope you thoroughly enjoy your new toy!

How about you IKAS?

The hardware is practically the same. The GT70 has a bigger chasis which helps a tiny bit more with cooling, but actual inner dimensions are about the same. The screen indeed is the same resolution and same matte type, which personally I believe is a great stock screen!

It boils down to screen size preference. I tend to favor 15.6 inchers so I went with this one, but I have used both and they are great I loved my GT70 when I used it more as a desktop replacement, but once I started to get on the move, the GT60 was the clear choice for me. In this case, for the same price, the GT60 nets you more value so I recommend it!

 

Edit:

Ryzeki ninja'd me


There really is no difference between the GT60 and GT70, hardware is exactly the same with a couple small changes cosmetically, only real difference is the slightly thicker chasis and bigger screen of course, think of the GT60 as the smaller clone of the GT70.

@ryzeki

As for me, should be very soon just have to secure some funds ! It's killing me waiting to order, quick question, how fast did you get your laptop when you ordered?

 

I think i know what to get already, :/ but sadly i can't get it from GentechPC, as my Country got this (Price +Shipping) * 1.07 which i have to pay more :X so i don't think i can get the free IC-Paste, guess need to do it myself. i hope the stock machine itself got no "locust inside fan" issue

 

does the T&T cool better than the NSTECH fan?

 

Cooling performance does not change
Just the fan bearings change (the newer ThermalTake model has less friction ).
That translates to longer sustained work hours and lower noise/rpm ratio

 

Hahaha I know what you mean, I hope you can secure your funds soon! As for me, I got it abour 3 days after ordering it, as far as I remember, using the stock UPS shipping option I took longer to use it because I was away due to work, and came back to receive my awesome laptop

Oh, they charge you that much? Well if worst comes to worst, you will have to repaste yourself. Don't worry, it's not very hard and you will be fine Just get the necessary items and take your time.

It shouldn't since cooling performance, as felix mentioned, should remain the same between fans It is only the sound due to the bearings that change.

 

Actually the NStech fan is rated for a much higher current, twice as much, but it will be interesting to see.

 

Ryzeki, are you running windows 8? If so is Steam causing you problems? I installed Windows 8 on my current laptop and my most my games don't work and I have shard time getting my graphics driver installed properly.

 

Ordered and waiting now

 

Then i can wait for your own review on it, order from?

 

hey guys where can I download the program to adjust the fans rpm?
how you call it??

 

GenTechPC of course!
They had better options that I liked.

 

Yes I am running Windows 8 with the usual windows updates, with the program Classic Shell to make it more like windows 7, and yes I have been able to play my Steam games without issues. I had issues with the games that use Games For Windows Live, but I solved it and posted it on my review

I am using stock graphics driver, haven't updated to any other version yet.

Congrats man! I want to read your impressions when you get it!

I would like to know. Cloudfire posted the thread where it originated, but I forgot where. It seemed to be a program that wrote values to the BIOS? I would like to know more of it to increase fan RPMs myself.

 

yea that one...but where??

 

Is this what your looking for

http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/645070-force-fans-go-faster.html

 

Thanks buddy but it will work with my lap?

 

Not sure, I don't have mine yet to test but if worse comes to worse just enable Turbo Fan

 

Pherein's tool uses EC tables stored in Windows and modifies those. The problem with current GT60s is that the values get replaced more often than with GX660/GT780DX/GT683 so that makes things a bit bothersome having to reapply them everytime. We should ask Pherein if he can make its app run in background and reapply the values once they get overwritten

 

Awesome! I want to report that the tool indeed works. So far I have been playing with it to try to keep my temps under 85 C even if it means kicking fans up! It works and right now I am trying the best balance. Naturally this means a loud notebook compared to stock but sometimes we can forgive loudness for coolness eh? Hahaha

using 75% as max fan I have topped around 84C or so temps with 99% GPU utilization. Current max CPU temps are at 75 C. But as you can imagine, 75% fan speed it's already loud haha.

 

Oh I didn't know that. Perhaps the rewrite of the values occurs when the GPU switches between IGP and dedicated GPU?

 

Curious, from your tinkering around, is turbofan = 100%? I can't imagine it running faster, but curious if 100% in the fan tool is the same as turbo fan on?

 

From what I have heard the fan spin, it does seem that turbofan indeed is 100%. Moreover, I believe the current stock MSI fan speed is around 60-65%! Spinning to 75% does create an audible difference and cooling performance.

 

Nice! Glad you figured it out, great job man.

 

Yeah, turns out it was a matter of patience and just reading. It's very easy to use actually

 

It happens when you switch GPUs (because values change and get inline with those of the CPU package ofcourse) and also when you restart your system. From what it seems MSI programmed the BIOS to re-test and reset EC data at every boot to ensure a reliable system. The only way to permanently store them is by modding the EC rom (svet could help us with that) or having it reapplied at restart with a batch file.

 

I see. If we can detect the switch from the GPU, we can use that as a flag to reapply the profile. That way we will have the correct profile for each switch of GPU to dedicated

 

Alright with my current fan profile, after testing for some hours of gaming, I max at 81C CPU temps and 88C GPU temps with full stable GPU turbo boosting maintaining 850mhz core all the time. Max fan speeds are 70% which I think are loud but not uncomfortable so, and definitely better than using full on turbo. With 75% it does get a bit more audible but you can cool slightly better to around 86C the GPU. This is all, of course, without vsync, forcing the GPU to work its max power. Due to several games having well over 60fps, having vsync will get you better temps.

these are the current profile settings
S1 Fan % S2 Fan %
55 31 55 31
65 40 65 40
70 45 70 45
75 65 75 65
80 70 80 70
87 70 87 70
91 70 91 70

Made it this way to avoid several small increments and constant up/down revs of the fan when it passes a certain threshold. This way you get cool and quite temps normally and the fan kicks in mostly when you are taxing the system.

Also! The laptop didn't feel hot to the touch, it stayed nicely cool

 

Very nice work Ryzeki, definetly going to try this once I get my laptop.

 

Nice info, I will be trying it too once I get my GT60 in about a 1 and 1/2 weeks time. I don't like hair dryer loud fans. Will try tweaking them a little.

 

A repaste and thin thermal pads will help too

 

:/ today i checked the local store, hardly to find any store that sell IC Diamond Paste. so far i only found Arctic MX-4 and Arctic Silver 5, dont know any shop sell Thermal Pad (Singapore). Anywhere i think if no choice i will need to order from frozencpu.

 

Yes, pretty much the good stuff has to be ordered in and wont be found at stores.

 

Hey Meaker, why do you think the .5mm pads are best? When I repasted and replaced the pads on this laptop, it looked like MSI had used 1mm pads for almost everything. The .5mm pads I had were too thin im comparison. Is this just something you have noticed on your own?

Also have you ever used the Fujupoly 11 or 15w/mk pads? I don't want to get something that isn't "sticky" if you know what I mean. I've used other higher rated pads in the past and they were terrible. They move around and are difficult to place. I ended up using my basic EK pads, which always seem to work great and they are very easy to place as they are sticky. Like OEM.

 

Some definitely should be 0.5mm pads, because if you notice, the 1mm pads in some areas are basically crushed thinner than others.

 

mean additional charge on shipping from US/Eur T_T"

 

Ok so where where can I order a new T&T fan, this whine on and off buzz noise on idle is driving me nutts.

NStech is too loud at idle.

 

According to the review at Notebookreview of the GT70 they found out that the new GT70 have improved noise from 36dB to 31db during idle. Was that with the T&T fan?

You can find the fan on ebay btw

 

I haven't opened my GT60 in such a long while so I don't know which fan I have. But mine is silent, or at least I hardly hear it!

I keep reading all these problems with Alienware 780m and Sagers 780m, due to power limits or thermal limits... maybe MSI scored the best so far at least out of the box?

 

I have the NST fan and mine is loud but not like a hairdryer as some described it or rather any hair dryers i have heard over the years. Im sure the new hair dryers of 2013 might be quieter then the old ones though .

 

Maybe my ears are just not hearing anything over the fact I have a GTX670 running inside this thing when I game?!?! hahaha

I think I will prepare a final update for the review to finish it. Adding pics, more performance and most likely 2 new sections--- vbios and multi monitor (I already ordered all the adapters, now I need monitors )

 

The sound system on these things easily drowns out the fan even running full blast. Yeah people around you might not like that though so you wear headphones and in which case they do hear the fan but not the game your playing.

Really this machine needs to be in another room if you have others around who are sensitive to noise or rather your noise lol. I have not owned a loud computer in quite a few years so it has taken some getting used to i wont even lie about that and running the stock fan profile is absolutely not possible for me and my machine . I read where the reviewer of the GT70 said the stock fan profile gave him the same temps in gaming as running the fan full blast but if i depended on the stock fan profile my GPU would be cooking along at 92 playing Crysis 3 so maybe his machine was more agrressive and not as noisy. Dunno.

Guess every machine is a little different or in this case alot different then at least what i have.

 

Yeah I know what you mean but really it's alright even at full blast when you are around other people that are actually doing other things or playing games. I was at a friend's house playing online with full turbofan and they were playing PS3 and Xbox360 and they only noticed it for a bit.

Since I am currently gaming with vsync and overclocked, I get nice temps with my current fan profile which helps reduce the loud noise of turbofan with a more manageable 65%-70% fan speed.

 

I did open mine (I'm from the first batch of GT60s) and checked the fan too. NSTech but I don't get that noise others are reporting. And believe me, I've got very sensitive ears. I'm used to listening with studio monitor headphones and a dedicated DAC (the ones in my sig).
I noticed something with this notebook: when at the public library, where power plugs are not grounded, it picks up static interference. I notice it through my IEMs (the ones I use when away from home). Once I place my palms over the aluminum part of the chasis it disappears (I become the grounding ). Doesn't bother me however

 

My NSTech fan noise is only at idle and to describe it like a cycling on and off buzz or electric type of noise. It sounds almost a ceiling fan on low speed idle. Gets annoying after a while.