Ryzeki's MSI GT60 2OD-026US review! Haswell plus 780m :D

That does sound annoying. Maybe you can get it exchanged? I guess I would be bothered too if I had that noise.

Huh, man it sucks when there is no proper grounding! I have had my share of static noise and small discharges due to it.

 

Anyone know how to enable the adaptive vsync feature? I can't find it on the control panel, and I used to use it with my 680m. I need it because some games have weird microstuttering with their regular vsync. Dishonored being one of them. Without vsync I shoot through 130fps, but I don't want my GPU unnecessarily showing those fps haha With vsync I was running the game maxed out and my GPU temp was barely 64 C hahaha.

 

Hey ryzeki,

This fan profile that you have, do yo have to manually run it every time or it one time deal and you don't have to touch it again?
Can you post the instruction of how to set it up and where to download the program? Thank

 

It's been removed. They replaced it with the "Performance management" on the same menu (manage global 3D settings).
Just set it on adaptive and it will switch VSync on and off based on the fps (on for >60 and off for <60). This way it doesn't consume excess energy when there is not needed.

 

Download Nvidia inspector if you don't already have it then limit your frames to 60fps. This is what I do because I don't like the input lag associated with vsync but I don't need more then 60 fps. Of course you can set it too 70,80,90 or what ever you want your minimum frames to be. The other idea of this is to decrease heat and power consumption so its good for more then one thing which I have seen you mention yourself on the card getting unnecessarily hot because of games exceeding 60 fps.

I also believe I saw adaptive vsync in the Inpector menu but never used it.

 

Hmm, I just checked and mine has been set to "adaptive" all along, and I still see framerates well over 60. Would this also require the V-sync setting in the same menu to be set to on? I have always left that at "application controlled", and as others have stated don't usually enable because of input lag. But, it would be nice to have the card not render full power all the time when not needed for noise purposes.

 

Setting the VSync to on will force it no matter what you choose in-game. I leave it this way. So far it has been working. And I don't notice the input lag. You should try forcing the VSync.

 

Different people are sensitive to input lag, it drives me NUTS but others may not notice it. It's best to use the in game version if you can and have triple buffering.

 

Saw this movie when i surfing the net, i wonder that the ntech or T&T fan

 

That is so unrealistic and a very big misrepresentation of the actual loudness of the fan. But I'd be lying if I said I was surprised it was made and put up.

 

To my ears I think that is the nstech one. But without comparing it to something common or with identical microphones it does not mean much.

 

I currently run it manually because I am not 100% content with it yet, I keep tweaking it. But you can run it "automatically" at startup with a batch file. When I get home I can give you a bit more instructions but if you find the comments made by a lot of people including IKAS V, Talon and many others regarding Pherein's fan tool, you will find it. Basically you need R-W Everything (it's a program) and you will run a command that will write parameters to a location that contains the fan control. Pherein made it a quick program and also provided an excel worksheet where you can manually tune the parameters for temps and % of fan speed, to your liking.

My current idea is to limit speed around the following idea under 40 C and up to 60C, the fan spin should be silent. When it reaches 70 the fan kicks in around 60%. In theory, and so far in practice, I reach 70s when I am pushing the system a bit, either the CPU, GPU or both. So with fan spin at 60% even if I continue to push the system, temps climb up slowly. If whatever I did triggered the 60% fan speed, it will quickly cool down temps under 60C thus sorting back to low fan spin. If you put many fan % increases with many temps like the stock file of increments of 5, you end up with a very varied and constantly changing fan, which was annoying to me.

Right now it's something like this to me:

50C 31% fanspeed
60C 40% fanspeed
70C 60% fanspeed
75C 70% fanspeed
90C 80% fanspeed

something along those lines. normally I rarely climb more than 82C so I hardly reach the 90C temp threshold, but I think you need to setup the fan profile with all the slots required.

Damm it! no wonder I couldn't find it haha. I will check what you mean to find the new setting. I need it because games like Dishonored are having a bit of jumpy performance due to in game vsync. As well as skyrimg with it's input lag that it's driving me crazy.

Sounds like a plan, I will check it out because I definitely don't need extra fps, and any extra fps I don't render, means less % load, less temp!

Yeah, input lag definitely drives me crazy, but in some games like Dishonored, the issue is that the 780m can render so many fps in excess, you end up using less than 50% load on the GPU at time, resulting in some microstuttering. At least from the ingame vsync. I want to try adaptive to see if it helps.

I agree, but it's because it's difficult to properly capture the sound of the fan. I tried recording a couple of vids, and in one it was too loud, in the other it was actually too silent. I just couldn't record a proper portrayal of the laptop sound.

 

As a follow up on the adaptive v sync issues, per Quadzilla's recommendation I enabled the frame rate limiter in Inspector and its worked great with no input lag that I can recognize. I have mine currently set to 59fps and it does reduce load on gpu quite a bit in most games.

 

Excellent news! Just what I needed then. We have such a powerful GPU right now that I will use settings that allow me constant 60fps if possible But with some games it was getting on my nerves!

 

You have to be careful with how you set the fan speed table, set it up incorrectly and it may cause the EC to panic and shut the system down.

 

Thanks compa ryzeki for that great review! I've just ordered mine (lapson), hope I can have it as soon as possible

I really hope I don't get a loudy fan, cause I am very sensible to umconfortable noises. Im just wondering, which should be your recommendations with the laptop when it just comes out of the box? I mean, uninstall this, install that (GPU drivers for example).

I am moving from Alienware (which I actually love) to MSI, mainly because in Mexico buying an AW 17 is soooooo expensive and I have friends which are MSI fanatics and would totally recommend MSI (including you :hi2 so I hope GT60 meet all my expectations :thumbsup:

 

If you are coming from alienware and a tweaker, there are a couple of extra steps you will want to look into, things like replacing the thermal pads, getting an unlocked bios and video bios (the last one you likely know anyway).

 

Thanks for reading! Yeah I know what you mean about buying Alienware in México. I hope you get your new toy soon!

Hopefully it won't be a loud fan. As for recommendations, I'd say go install the usual monitoring and overclocking software like MSI Afterburner, GPU z, HWMonitor, Intel XTU etc. That way you can immediately start tweaking and watching temps. Once you are comfortable with the current affairs and feel like playing with your 780m, as Meaker said, you can get the unlocked vBios which are on techinfermo or from users here. I don't remember there being much bloatware to begin with so maybe take a look in control panel for anything you don't particularly care about.

Since México is/can get a bit hot, i'd recommend a laptop cooler. It might help shave off a degree here or there.

IF you do encounter a loud fan, there are some steps you can take to make it more silent, posted by an user. I will look for it. It was about greasing the bearings of the fan to make it less noisy.

 

I hope so :thumbsup:

I actually use a Coolermaster U1 for cooling my AW M14x, I think the GT60 will fit pretty well so I should be using it.

About temps, I don't mind if it run a little warmer than my actual machine (MAX 75°C GPU/79°C CPU) as long as my hands or fingers have to deal with it. I don't want to suffer premature artritis or so because of using laptops too much

 

That was me Yes, if you get the NSTECH fan, its better if you use a drop of oil (the one you get with electrical shaving machine), but not more than that and make sure you do not open anything or meddle with anything, except the sticker on one side in order to enable you to put that drop in. It will reduce the noise by atleast 50%...

 

I just got my NSTECH fan replaced by the T&T fan and I can confirm that its at least 50% quieter. Temps are identical.

 

Is this 50% quieter at idle/slow fan speed or at Cooler Boost enabled Turbo hairdryer speeds?

 

Just during lowest idle speed. The turbo fan on both sounded the same but I actually had it replaced because when just sitting there using the IGP doing nothing at lowest spin setting you could hear the fan. My GF said it kinda sounded like crickets. It wasnt just air moving it was the fan making a constant almost light grinding sound.

Replaced with the T&T, now its dead silent when idle.

 

I don't receive my new toy yet but I was wondering: is there enough room for installing a second SSD (non mSATA) without removing the optical drive?

 

Yes, there are 2 HDD bays.

 

No, there is no way to install 2 hdd 2.5'' unless you use a caddy. Even if you remove the msata slot card, you will not be able to install a second ssd/hdd, because you do not have the sata slot. And it is not compatible with the previous version of gt60 (the sata card). This has already been confirmed by Ken.

 

As Juliant said, there is only one 2.5inch bay, and it's taken by the TB drive. You can remove that one and put an SSD there though.

Otherwise, nope, you would need to add more and more mSata drives!

 

Great review, thanks for writing it! Mine has the 770m in it as I didn't want to pay crazy amounts to upgrade to the 780m. Hopefully it runs (nearly) as well.

 

Thanks for reading! 770m is still a nice GPU and if you ever get into overclocking, it can reach stock 680m without being too aggresive.

Are you waiting to receive it or do you have it already?

 

Same sound I had that caused me to ditch my GT60, glad to hear the T&T one is a fix for the issue. Wonder if the newer manufactured GT60/GT70's ship with the T&T instead?

 

I doubt, because the NSTECH is the 'new' revision / manufacturer who makes the fans for those new models GT60 / GT70. According to everyone's review, once they got both those 2 fans in their hands, they have noticed that the NSTECH is faster at full blast while the T&T is slightly slower. So, you loose a bit of RPM at full speed with the T&T one, you gain the silent noise at idle, but it will still handle our dGPU while gaming...

 

Yeah maybe my NSTECH was faulty then. It was annoying at idle. Again, not just air moving but like a grinding sound at idle. When I removed it, you can even spin the fan with your fingers and hear the grinding so it wasnt anything the motor was causeing. Almost like one of the blades were coming in contact with something.

Either way, TT fan fixed it right up!

 

No, my dear friend. There are bearings, one on each side of the fan that will make it rotate (just like a car wheel it is fixed to the axe with a bearing). Being made of metal, while they rotate, they make a sound. Sometimes grease helps. It has nothing to do with the fan or the spring that holds it into the place. All I can say, leaving a side the noise, it is a long lasting fan and it is very durable...

 

^I know that. But it wasn't like any other ball bearing fan I have ever heard. Maybe a dab of grease would have fixed it but the fact is it when from annoying and audible to 100% silent when ditching that fan.

 

Ryzeki, which notebook model are you using in "fan profile applier by Pherein"? I choose "GT780DX" and it seems to work ok, but I want to know if this is correct. The only options I have are GX640, GX660, GX740 and 16F2-12.

Is there any way to use always my profile? Or should I go to to applier, select my profile and apply manually each time I use my GT60?

 

I downloaded a zip file which included the excel to modify values and the zip file is named GX640. I use RW Everything, and not the actual pherein's tool. With a carefully designed bat file you can autolaunch it so that it writes your profile at every boot.

Otherwise you might have to apply it manually, altho supposedly pherein included also a tool to apply it at every boot. I will mess with it when I return home today. Hopefully I will be able to try the full 3 external monitors too, and I will let you know which one I am using.

Maybe 16F2-12 might be the closest one. Considering we are using a 16F4 system.

 

I believe the included fan profile names are to go along with the models only and once you have edited the values they all are similar.

 

Would make sense, since I am using "GX640" excel, but I think, so far, most MSI computers save the fan profiles on the same address?

 

Someone created a better gui for rw everything. Works on the gt70 and other msi models including the gt60.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/718530-official-msi-gt70-2od-owners-lounge.html
It's under other downloads in the gt70 owners lounge. I've been setting the fan to 70% and the noise and results are great.

 

The difference with our profile is that we have tweaked all the fan speed steps, so we run silent normally and slowly ramp up when gaming without changing a slider My profile goes from 25% to 75% at different temps.

 

Anyone else has had Luck with the multiple monitors when gaming? So far I have connected 2 additional displays, waiting on my third monitor to arrive. Nvidia surround doesn't show anything on the drivers

It will be cool to play across multiplemonitors

 

The only model to support surround would be the 3k edition with its 3 display port outputs all connected to the dGPU.

 

Really? Damm I was looking forward for multi display gaming

 

It sure seems in their advertising and marketing to support "play", which I consider gaming... they do have huge fighting robots in the graphic! Seems like gameplay to me... I'm going to be rather annoyed if it's only for 2D windows desktop, which I'd consider false advertising.

I'm right there with ya! Hoping there's a way, sure seems that way from their advertising... I'm still 2 monitors short though haha so not a super pressing matter at the moment

 

Yeah it was definitely advertised as gaming at least to me. Today my boss will lend me the third 24inch monitor so I will be testing my luck with multimonitor gaming. But so far it does seem that the VGA might be routed through the HD4600.

Worst case I will instance LoL in all 4 monitors and be a team of 4 myself.

 

Can you show me the image where they show gaming across all 3 external displays?

One of the specific advantages of the 3k was the triple display gaming:

 

Yeah upon close inspection, it never really says it can use nvidia surround for regular GT60, only that you can multitask and "extreme gaming" though that last thing is just marketing hype.

Damm, I was looking forward to multidisplay gaming. I will have to wait for 3k edition it seems

 

Wait what? I can't use multiple displays for gaming with this GT602OD? I was under the impression with their advertising this was possible. Which was one of the reasons I actually was kinda excited for it. I planned to get multiple displays after I got my desk/office room setup in my new place.

That is straight from MSI website...

 

Yeah I know but down there it only mentions multitask, and maybe they mean extreme gaming because... I don't know, it sounds hardcore haha. I will see if I can multi instance games

But yeah it's a mayor bummer.

 

I think for sure you cannot do nvidia surround with 780m's. I have been looking at geforce website and feature/spec and it doe not mention about nvidia surround while in the features of desktop parts it does mention.


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