***The MSI GT72 Dominator Pro (GTX-880M) Owner's Lounge***

Maxwell won't impact igp mode battery life though.

 

That 60min battery is running the IGP instead of dedicated GPU?

 

Indeed, my brain is focused on the benefits, and excitement of Maxwell, LOL!

 

yea ~60mins on IGP... we really need more capacity..

 

And why? Do you plan on carrying this notebook everywhere with you? Will you be dependent on this notebook for your mobility needs? Really? Most any other truly mobile device, will do anything you will need to do with this notebook on IGP. Are users really using 17" gaming notebooks for light mobile application? If I were to go to a lan party, hotel, airport, or any hotspot, anywhere with this notebook, etc., etc., etc...... guess what, I am looking for an AC plug-in. Otherwise, I am grabbing a more convenient mobile device. Who really, is going to tote this notebook, backpack, and all accessories, everywhere? Sorry, but it really seems a little impractical to me. Sure, it's nice to have the mobile option, in the off-chance it's needed in an emergency..... and we all want more battery time, but who really is buying a gaming notebook with mobility in mind? Is this really going to be your 'go-to' mobile device, and why is an hour not enough? In general, rarely in my travels do I ever see folks using gaming notebooks, and if I do, it's usually another gamer...... and he/she has found an available AC outlet, showing-off the notebook's performance.

Help me to wrap my head around your thought here........ because I'm not seeing where battery time is really a priority. I'm sure a time will come that we have the best of both worlds here, but unfortunately, I'm not seeing this quite yet. Other gaming notebooks do have more battery time, but even such, still impractical as a mobile device.

 

if you think about it that there are actually notebooks with a stronger CPU and higher battery life then yes, macbook pro f.e. gets over 10 hours with a i7-4960HQ while we only have a i7-4710HQ.

 

Macbook fanlover detected

 

There aré No reasons to do one battery with one hour energy, sorry but i dont believe this joke and i bought this laptop with this battery, 1 hour?sorry but i cant believe that reason

 

Excuses or....

 

Yes, and as I was writing my previous post, I was saying to myself, "I am sure you already realizes everything I am saying, but you probably still 'WANT' the best of both worlds", and I know the feeling. Since the revelation of another battery SKU, it would not surprise me if we don't see a higher capacity battery.

 

1 hour battery is normal? Not for me, gt70, msi information 3 hour 3 1/2 hours
Okay, no gt72 for me

 

No, nex86 is correct, so why the finger-pointing? He owns the GT72..... have you purchased yours yet?

 

Im waiting the next gen of the gt72... Im not hurry like in my desktop i want to change the GPU but im waiting 800 series cant buy a 780ti because 800 series is around the corner

 

Huh? Are you blaming me for the GT72 battery time? What are you really trying to say..... does anyone understand this guy? Obviously he didn't understand my post, and doesn't understand the improvements the GT72 brings over the GT70..... and he is really hung-up on battery time. With these kind of post, I'm glad he has chosen the GT70, LOL! Good luck!

(Uh Oh, my troll sensor is giving a slight reading.....)

 

Ha ha ha ha no msi gt70 no alienware :hi2:

 

Hmmmmm, I thought as much...... another newb, out on the troll......

 

-.- pssssssss

 

Keep it up my friend, and I am sure a Mod will dispatch with you shortly.

 

How odd... maybe despite using a dedicated GPU button, in reality the laptop is fully powering both GPUs? That is quite low battery life for IGP. My GT60 gets 5 hours, my Asus with similar battery capacity gets 4, nearly 5 hours too. Something's up!

 

Here we go again...... Something's Up!

The way I see it, the priority of the GT72 design was not IGP, battery-only operation. We cannot compare the battery time with the GT60/70 series..... different battery, different concept, different design. Optimus is gone, and an internal Li-ion battery w/RCP is now used. My GT70 gets 3 to 31/2 hours on battery, but I never use that notebook for mobile application, making battery time somewhat a moot point. Sorry, but given all the GT72's improvements, I have a difficult time knocking it for lower battery time. It's like what should be of little consequence, has become all anyone can talk about. This is too funny..... all of this began with a misunderstanding of the battery technology, and now has developed to, "Well Dang It, the battery time is not good enough!" I'd love to be a little fly on your walls, seeing just how many of you really lug around your gaming notebooks in your day-to-day business. I bet most are using more efficient, smaller & lighter notebooks, smartphones, or tablets. C'mon, admit it!

 

I have to admit I find this whole debate rather baffling. I've gamed on laptops for nigh on 10 years and at no time have I ever even considered how long the battery will last since it's always associated with some throttling. I use AC power 99.9% of the time. If I want to quickly browse the web or go on YouTube I use a mobile device.

Honestly if my gaming laptop shipped without a battery at all, I would barely notice.

 

In your case, of course. But I also use my laptop for web browsing and on different parts of my house so I like a nice battery life. But for gaming? Nope nope nope, battery life doesn't mattery to me! (well just a tiny bit... because my GT60 uses battery juice to run the gpu at max performance )

 

You and me both........

I knew you wouldn't admit it. I web browse all the time too, but unlike you, I have AC outlets throughout my home, so battery time is of little significance. LOL! If I need to be entirely wireless or mobile, I grab an entirely more convenient device.

 

It is strange as you should be able to optimise things in IGP only mode. I think comparisons are fair to the gt70 as even the 780dxr had a better battery life with no igp at all.

I get 1.5-2 hours with my 4930k desktop cpu and 2 gpus browsing the web. Did not get it in my hands to test yet but I may not bother as I do need some mobility.

I'll get the guys to investigate.

 

I have a need for mobility too, but I have other more convenient devices for this. I have never left the house on a road-trip, saying to myself, "Well, gotta be mobile, so I better grab my gaming notebook!", LOL! On the other hand, I may take the gaming notebook along for it's entertainment value. Sorry, but this battery time issue seems a bit trivial, all things considered. Bottom line, in my opinion, the GT72 is one of the finest single-GPU gaming notebooks I have used, to-date! I also feel the GT72 is only going to get better with future releases, and I have a difficult time pinging this notebook over battery time. If this were my business-book, you bet-cha, but this is a GAMING NOTEBOOK, LOL!

 

Well that's the thing with notebooks, everyone has different requirements.

 

You can have M.2 or mSATA connectivity depending by model, it is interchangeable but since the daughter board is preinstalled depending by system configuration therefore you can't really purchase the daughter board separately.

GT72 Dominator (4x M.2 + SATA + 870M 6GB)
MSI USA GT72 Dominator

GT72 Dominator Pro (4x M.2 + SATA + 880M 8GB)
MSI USA GT72 Dominator Pro

You can use HDD caddy in the ODD bay to create a 3rd bay for HDD/SSD.

 

Of course all the gen 3 SATA lanes are in that connector so you don't want to raid ssds over the 2.5" bays on the no non m.2 version.

 

Does GT72 GPU switch let you disable optimus/dgpu?

 

It is a rather trivial thing, and it wouldn't sway me into NOT buying it, but I can definitely agree that something is up and consuming more power than necessary. The amount of times I use the notebook in battery only are minimal anyways, so I am more surprised rather than annoyed.

And when you go on a trip, you take your gaming notebook!

 

It doesn't use optimus, it is completely separated via the switch. You use either the igpu, or the dgpu.

 

Hey Guys, I've just recieved mine yesterday. I'm having trouble with the SSD Raid. I'm getting low performance. Well, not too low but still low than advertised. Anyone here to help? And also when I've checked the SSD's in bios. They are Kingston not Toshiba like in the review.

 

I wouldn't say you are having a problem, or getting low performance....... that's actually pretty nice, just some CDM scores lower than mine were. Also, it's not uncommon for the manufacturer to switch to equivalent hardware brands, and it's based on supply availability. I ran my benchmarks on the GT72 Dominator Pro-007, configured with 4x M.2 SSD's. Which model are you testing? This can make a difference, because RAID configurations are different amongst the models. For example, if you are testing the GT72 Dominator Pro-010, your RAID0 configuration is only 2x M.2 (SuperRAID), and this would be a little slower than 4x M.2. (SuperRAID 3). If this is the case, I would be happy with the Kingston SSD's, because with those scores, you may actually be faster (in SuperRAID 3) than the Toshiba drives.

As an example, HERE is a benchmark when SuperRAID (2x mSATA SSD's) was first introduced by MSI..... different benchmark, but you get the idea.

 

Thanks for reply!

I got mine from Turkey, so I think it should be a little different than the US. Though I know the specs, 512GB SSD Raid0 and there are 4 of them. I mean 4x128GB. I'm guessing it's 4x M.2? On the box it says "SuperRaid3". I'm not really complaining about my speed. I just thought why am I not getting 1500?

 

You can't really compare a MacBook Pro with a huge non replaceable battery and anemic GPU to a huge gaming powerhouse.

I personally almost never use the system on battery, nor the macs I've owned previously. It's personal preference but on gaming systems I don't expect long battery life.


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I am betting the only difference here is in the SSD brand. SSD speeds and performance will definitely vary amongst the manufacturers. For reference, can you please post the Kingston P/N, and it would also be nice if you could run some of the other SSD benchmarks. Also, for SSD data, no need to go into bios..... just run the IRST, and you can survey your system's storage in the 'Help' section. What does HDTune report on those SSD's, or better yet, a PCMark 8 storage test report?

BTW, Welcome To The Party!

 

who cares about GPU, i was comparing it when dedicated GPU was disabled and both only were running on IGP.
So the Macbook actually runs more powerful hardware than the GT72 when you disable the dedicated GPU.

 

No worries...... I believe your OP was directed at me, and I understood exactly what you were saying. We good.... we cool......



Oh,and BTW, my last correspondence with MSI indicated a concern for end-user battery time, and it was suggested that the next-generation GT72's may be equipped with batteries w/o RCP. I expressed RCP is a good idea in concept, but more battery run time is needed. They will definitely be looking into this, though I do not yet know what the final outcome will be.

 

RCP should not be active in IGP mode really anyway.

 

Just to compare, these are my GT72 Pro 010 Toshiba SSD benchmarks

 

My understanding is that RCP is a part of the battery itself, a new internal technology, which is using a portion of it's capacity, in reserve, to act as a UPS in the event of accidental AC power loss. I think it's a good idea in concept, but the battery needs more overall capacity. So I have suggested a higher-cap RCP battery, or going with a non-RCP battery..... whichever is most feasible,, allowing for extended battery run time.

Very nice Sayro! Those results are almost as good as the -007, still very fast, and clearly shows the difference in SuperRAID vs. SuperRAID 3.

 

The point is there must be something significantly different in the design of these gaming notebooks because the 8,625mAh battery in a MBP tests between 6-10 hours on the 2013 15" (depending on use) and even though the GT72 has a smaller battery Apple must be doing something very different to get that kind of performance (OS and hardware integration etc). Didn't someone earlier say this GT72 had a 7500 battery? Even if the 30% issue is applied there wouldn't be such a large difference in run times if there wasn't some architectural difference between the systems.

I'm not an engineer but there must be more involved than the power draw of the CPU.

 

but it is. It's part of the battery and active anywhere.

 

Yes I know, it should have manual control over it but does not.

Power design is a fundamental part of the system and is influenced from the ground up. Apple has an easier time due to be able to optimise vrm circuitry for lower power operation. You could start thinking about having switchable power phases that let you run the optimum number etc.

 

Hey guys,

I want to ask a few questions as I might be buying the GT72 rather than a Sager NP8298 because it seems like a better deal.

1. I understand that the CPU is soldered in, but is the GPU too? Like 1-2 years down the line if I want to upgrade the GPU is that possible?

2. The GT72 has a 230w charger compared to GT70 180w, what advantages are there to this? And how powerful is the charger for the Sager NP8298?

3. After I receive the laptop, if the temperatures are not desirable, is it possible for me to re paste the GPU and the CPU

4. How's the battery life? The GT70 reviews say that it has around 6 hours on intel gpu. how about the GT72?

Thank you very much!

 

Yes it does, there's a physical quick button on the left side of keyboard which allows you to run on dGPU only.

 

1. No.
2. Overclocking headroom. Heaviest workloads with breathing room.
3.yes
4. Looking like a bit less than half of the gt70 when in igp mode. Though some proper tests need to be run to confirm.

 

so the gpu is soldered on too? If no why couldn't you upgrade the gpu in a few years.

 

No, the GPU is not soldered, and it is MXM standard.

 

So, does this mean that the GPU can be upgraded later on?

Oh and, the GT72 uses M.2 Sata drives, is that totally different interface to M.Sata? Can M.Sata drives be used in this, or is it specifically M.2 sata drives.

I also understand that the battery is inside the laptop, however if there is ever a problem with it, is it possible to remove/replace it?