***The MSI GT72 Dominator Pro (GTX-880M) Owner's Lounge***

Rough estimate depending on some processor benchmarks is something between 8 - 14 %, in games it might give a couple of fps - not too much a difference.

 

Wow, noise levels without the turbo fan mode seem very well managed and almost makes the turbo mode pointless for temps unless you OC.
I'm extremely impressed with the new dual fan cooling solution and now know I'm 100% sure once the Maxwell based models come out I will be one of the first to order. I just hope it doesn't take forever.

 

One of the first to order, behind me, LOL!

 

What do you mean by the audio going from loud to soft? Uncontrolled volume fluctuation?

 

Wondering what the refresh rate of the screen is ?
60Hz or can you go higher?

 

Which laptop has better cooling? Asus G750JZ or MSI GT72. I returned my asus g750jz because i was not impress with the temperature. When playing crysis 3 on asus i reached 85C on gpu but cpu temp is only 60C.

 

So? 85 + 60 is totally acceptable and common.

 

yes but i seen people with asus g750jz maintain 75C while playing demanding games like crysis 3,bf3. Compare to that temp, it made me wonder what is wrong with my laptop.

 

Wow! the new dual fan design improved noise a lot! I think previous GT versions were high on the 50 decibels when turbofan was on, from the user perspective, but now they are considerably more tolerable!

Everything so far about this new design is a huge plus. I have yet to find a con!

 

I also noticed that despite very similar specs, the GT72 scores 200ish points higher than me. My GPU runs at 980/1375mhz memory but the GT72 still gets .8fps higher than me in a couple of tests hehe

 

Here's a con from a picky audiophile:
The GT60/70 subwoofer was from positioned near the center (allowing sound output to be centered) and in the back (allowing the woofer enclosure to be larger for deeper bass).
The GT72 subwoofer has been pushed off to the side (so I expect lower frequencies to off-center) and near the front (forcing a smaller woofer enclosure to be used).
Woofer location normally would not matter in a sound system, but laptop woofers are so small that bass frequencies are not low enough to allow for an "omnipresent" effect.

But I understand that the subwoofer tends to be lowest in priority for location, which explains why it's pushed out of the way.

A minor con (considering external speakers can be used at home, and Dynaudio is still the prime OEM of laptop speakers) albeit still a con.

But otherwise I agree that everything else looks to be an improvement, and I'm equally excited.

 

Talking about sound... you know, when I still had my GX660R and my new GT60, I noticed something: The GX660R had better sound. Quality was similar, but loudness was considerably higher in GX660R than GT60. I wonder why? I disabled extra effects/software on both, but still happend. This was also the case with GT70 barebones. GX660R still had better overall sound due to loudness.

 

It's possible MSI put a stronger amp into the GX660R, or its amp's voltage gain is set higher, sending more power to the speakers.
Or the GX660R might just have larger speakers.

In any case, the GT60/70's limitation is not necessarily a bad thing. The GT60 was loud enough for me and driving laptop speakers too loud is not always good because they're small and are more prone to getting blown out.

 

Just curious about the temps since FS Extreme is a pretty demanding GPU test.

 

Yeah it's weird, If I'm watching movies on the computer or you tube if I set the volume at 100% it will after a few minutes drop to like 50% but still show that it is at 100%. Not sure what is causing it.

 

Hmm that's never happened with my GT70. But, if I have something playing, and I close the lid, sometimes the volume cuts in half when I open the lid back up.

 

And just as the GT72 lands, we are reminded of the flaws in our GT70/60s haha I wonder why these flaws are more apparent now than ever

 

Hey, not to worry..... you can bet there are those who will be running that benchmark, LOL! Again, I would ask why, and what's the point? Why not run the benchmark appropriate for this application? Or, why run an inappropriate benchmark, with unrealistic results, with scores unworthy of FutureMark submission? The FS-X benchmark isn't intended for notebooks, and is designed for high-end PC's with multiple SLI/CrossFire configurations. For grins, I could run the benchmark, and I am pretty sure all I am going to get an unrealistic conclusion, crap frames, and a super-low score. Conversely, the same can be said for folks who will undoubtedly run Ice Storm. for smartphones and tablets...... an unrealistic conclusion, with exaggerated frames, and a ridiculously high score. So again, what's the point?

!00% load to the system hardware, is still 100% load..... and the benchmarks I've run (Vantage, 3DMark11, and 3DMark Sky Diver) really tell us everything we need to know. Actually, now, 3DMark alone is adequate, but the old-guard still expect to see the older Vantage (DX10) and 3DMark11 (DX11, focusing on tessellation). Heck, I am one of those guys..... I still like to run Vantage & 3DMark11, but now, 3DMark alone, can provide a good measure of system performance. That is why it is designed with multiple benchmarks, for testing all devices and PC's.

Anyhow, sorry to be long-winded here, but I felt you needed to understand my thoughts on this. You be patient, with a smile on your face, because I GUARANTEE, someone here (as meaningless as it is) will run ALL of the benchmarks for you. And besides, haven't I already done enough here? LOL!

 

XoticPC's review is up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei2hAf3U7Iw&list=UUJ9O0vRPsMFk5UtIDimr6hQ

Comments:

- Viewing angles do look quite poor, but I don't recall the GT60/70 being any better.

- Reviewer mentions near the end that the battery is non-removable. Isn't it removable?

 

My GT70 'CMO1720' (N173HGE-L11) screen is actually quite nice, but I definitely have to ping the GT72 screen in regard to viewing angles. With regard to brightness, color, contrast, the GT72 screen is good, and actually quite vivid when gaming. As to the battery, yes, it's internal and replaceable.

 

Thanks for posting the link. It is removable but not easily like the previous GT70, you do have to take apart the bottom to access it.

 

Actually I've never had a hands-on with the GT70, but seeing as how it has the same Chi Mei panel as the GS70 that I have, I can imagine that it's fine because I'm loving the display (brightness, vibrance, color accuracy, viewing angles) on my GS70. The GT60 probably has a different panel because I definitely found it to be worse.

 

And so Xotic's link doesn't get lost in these pages, it was also posted in the thread's lead (#1) post, in the 'Videos' section.



@jmehu.123, that CMO1720 panel is quite nice, isn't it?

 

It's the loveliest matte display I've had on a laptop.

On that line, I have a question that maybe you can address:
The Asus G750, especially the recent model, is actually quite enticing to me for various reasons (not to go rogue on MSI or anything).
However, the main thing holding me back from a serious consideration is that the screen is quite terrible. Despite being 1080p, I find it to be very grainy such that the pixel grid is very obvious. It's color accuracy is also poor, and whites are faded and yellowish. This is not just with the unit that I tested - it's a well known issue actually. My GS70 display has neither of these problems.
However, just now doing a quick google search, it appears the Asus G750 has the CMO1720 (Chi Mei N173HGE-L11) panel as well! So what gives? Is this a software or calibration problem? If the G750 employs the same panel, can it be made to look as good as the GS/GT70? I don't know enough about background configurations to understand this.

If there is no fix for the stock screen, I guess the only other option would be to replace the panel, but I'd prefer not to spend extra if possible.

 

Yes! I thought I was the only one who noticed that. The GX660 definitely had much better/louder sound than my current GT60. Thats not to say the DynAudio on this system isn't good, it just felt like the GX660 packed more of a punch in the sound department.

 

@jmehu.123, I suspect it's simply a matter of screen calibration and ICC profile. Google and YouTube 'monitor calibration', and also check out the Spyder gear. Spyder 4 is the latest, but previous editions can be had for much less, especially from sites like eBay.

Datacolor Spyder 4

Also, if you are going the way of Asus, immediately leave this thread, and get your butt in the appropriate forum. MSI GT72 spoken here, LOL!



Edit: Just had a thought..... where did you see the G750 CMO1720 screen, a retail setting? Is so, someone else could have botched the settings. Generally, the manufacturers will have brightness and white settings amp'ed up to maximize the screens appearance in most environments.

 

Ah I understand what you're saying. I guess there's no point of the tests you ran were 100% load already. Yeah totally get that.

Have you tried gaming for extended amounts of time yet? How warm does the keyboard feel?

 

@HazrD

Gaming? Please read HERE.

 

What kills the G750 is how hard it is to open and maintain for me.

 

Dang..65C! That is crazy.....were you playing in a walk-in freezer?

Anyways, I'm curious why you are planning to buy the Extreme edition later when it comes out?

 

Striker, you've gone wild with GT72! Nice photo shoots. :thumbsup:

 

Thanks Kevin! Wait till you see what I do when the next-gen GT72 is released.

 

Oh it's all very nice work, but as for going wild..... well we will see about that

 

Reverse engineering!

 

The only way it goes back to normal volume is if I don't have any sound playing for awhile. Then it will be fine for like 15 minutes then the volume will drop again.

 

Walk-in freezer? Nope, you didn't read very well, did you? Ambient room temp was 78F. X-treme Edition GT72? As soon as it's released, of course!

Edit: Whoops! Now see, I didn't read very well either, In stead of 'WHY', I read 'WHEN'. The reason 'why' I am planning to buy the X-treme Edition is I expect it will be released with HM97 and Maxwell. I am also hoping it will be an X-treme 'Dragon' Edition. In other words, a socketed x-treme CPU, faster SuperRAID 3, more power efficient GPU, higher overall performance, and better temps (least on the GPU side)...... all packaged the red Dragon Edition theme. It will be awesome, fun to test, and truth is, I will not be able to resist.

Nope, I got wild with this GT72, happy dancing with a beer in my hand. When the X-treme Edition arrives, I will happy dance, after a bottle of Crown Royal, naked in the front yard. Stay tuned YouTuber's!

 

You are the man -=$tR|k3r=-
I'll join you with the Crown Royal but you can dance naked in you're own yard!
I understand your enthusiasm but your neighbors will think your crazy...lol.
Hey -=$tR|k3r=- what is the refresh rate of the screen? Any options to go higher than stock?

 

Nope Talon, you are not the only one! I am sure every GX660 owner that jumped to newer GTs had this itching feeling about it. Since I did have GX660, GT70 and GT60 lying around together, I tested it. To my surprised both GT70 and GT60 were very very similar in performance, but GX660R blew them away.

I wonder how this new GT72 and the most likely inevitable GT62, will handle the sound? I hope it is louder!

Strike does not need any reason other than POWER! to buy the ultimate toy And the Extreme edition that will come later probably has a high chance to use maxwell GPU, so its a bonus win in both CPU and GPU.

 

Thanks for looking out for me ryzeki! :thumbsup:

I just edited my post to HazrD, above.

Here ya go: 60Hz., Product Specifications, and I have no doubt there will be other screen options.

 

I've noticed the same, and I can't explain it. All I know is that the G750 and GT70/GS70 clearly have different screens, regardless of what the Asus' hardware ID states.

The G750 screen is significantly more grainy, and that isn't a calibration issue.

 

I also believe there are several revisions of the CMO1720 screen, those made in China, and those contracted out of Korea. Perhaps the difference lies therein. For comparison, it would be helpful if we had the 'Serial ID#', or the info listed on the 'Module Barcode Label'.

N173HGE-L11 (CMO1720) Product Specifications

 

Within the same model number the revisions can have massive variations. Basically they can be entirely different.

 

I am thinking about upgrading - but I am not too keen on losing my highly loved 3K IPS panel lol - and I would definitely populate all the M.2 slots

 

Yep, that is what I was suggesting, and I am wondering which revision Asus is using. The CMO1720 used in the GT70 is beautiful, yet the Asus folks seem to have a lot of complaints. I'd like to narrow down which revision of this screen is so yellow & grainy.

 

Maybe it's the situation with the older GX660R and other models that used an AuO panel, and version 5 sucked, but version 4 was universally claimed to be the best?

 

Wait a bit then, I am sure MSI will quickly bring out a 3k version

 

Gentech guys....when are you gonna come up with the GT-72 Dominator (Non-Pro version) ????
Waiting so badly for it.....

 

In time, MSI will most likely offer lesser configured SKU's, and possibly even a MSI 1781 Whitebook.

 

I am impressed by the cooling system.
70-76C for the CPU, 78C for the GTX 880M during 3DMark11. And best of all, sub 30dB measurements without turbo fan
A true upgrade over GT70. Nice video GentechPC

MSI GT72 System boot time, IC Diamond, Turbo Fan on/off noise level comparison test - YouTube

 

Is it true that the new MSI gt72 Laptop has been increased wattage of the power supply to only 230W? It's completely idiotic to not increase the power supply higher on the new laptop. If you overclock a powerful graphics card and a processor i7-4940mx this is all too bad. Msi should at least increased psu up to 240-260 watts. With my Alienware17 I use up to 251 watts, with a low overclock on the GPU (default VBIOS) and 4.2ghz processor in 3dmark(skydriver).