***The MSI GT72 Dominator Pro (GTX-880M) Owner's Lounge***

wow what a load of crap, i mean they released a new model just a few months ago, and now suddenly there is yet another that changes so many things? i feel ripped off buying the gt70 now

 

In the computer industry there are always new models coming out and so it's fairly common to see this happen. If you always wait for the next thing you'll never have anything.

 

right of course it was just such a big design overhaul from the gt70,

new duel fans which should give lower noise levels

a more seamless modern look with the keyboard, trackpad and speakers + some more lighting effects

usbs organized more rationally , only negative is no vga

bah, wish i waited. i mean, i could sell the gt70, but i'll never get the price i payed for it( if i even manage) and i think i have spent enough on a laptop i only wanted to use while in university.

oh well, atleast it has fixed the flaws with the gt70 and i think it will be the best gaming laptop/ desktop replacement on the market when it comes out.

 

It is wise to keep track of product launches. Then we know that a new model comes about 11-12 months after. Look for the launch date of a new machine it is very wise.

 

Exactly. Those who are disappointed that they didn't find out about the GT72 earlier can always look forward to the next great laptop release. In the next couple of years, something else will come out to one-up the GT72. As enthusiasts let's all just be excited that the technology is improving quickly!

 

Here ya Go! Ken just made this available::

The MSI GT72 Dominator - 047

Enjoy!

 

How are you guys liking the keyboard on this laptop? It looks similar to that of the GS series one with less travel distance than the GT70.

 

Seems to me other than dual fans and the aesthetics this isn't that much better (if at all) than the existing GT70 Dominator 890 and has those M.2 slots instead of mSATA. Last I checked those M.2 SSD drives max out at 256GB. To get 512GB on the high-end $3000 model they go with 4x128GB M.2 SSD drives in Raid 0 so make sure you regularly backup because a single drive failure will lose all the data on the array. Also the the CPU is slower.

I wouldn't be disappointed in buying a $1800 GT70 890 rather than the much more expensive GT72. The extra RAM and Raid array don't make up for the slower CPU and lack of mSATA capability (even though some GT70s don't have the mSATA daughter board).

EDIT: It looks like the GT72 comes standard with the Killer 1525 which is AC compatible (assuming you have an AC compatible Wireless Router/AP)

Cheers,

 

The design is 3 years old now (older if you count its 15.6 inch brother which shares the same layout), it was due a refresh.

You can get 500GB M550 crucial drives.

 

The current GT70 Dominator 890 has components that have only been out since Jan 2014 (CPU - mine came with the 2.8 4810MQ instead on the 2.7 4800 advertised on Newegg) and March 2014 (nvidia 880m) so other than aesthetics it's not 3 year old tech. The design may have been due for a refresh but that shouldn't make people feel like the GT70 is outdated.

Cheers,

 

I want MSI GT72 with amd R9 M295X for $1500.

 

sure i agree, my point was that it came out here in april and i bought it literally right when it came out. If i knew that three months later there would be a version, which doesnt even come with a new generation of gpus, which has a total redesign aesthetically, practically and with the cooling system. then i would have waited. i spent 2400 dollars( prices are higher here in norway on everything) and for them to pull this move makes me feel ripped off

they should have given it a redesign three months back is my point

 

Hmmmm, spoken like a true 2014 GT70 Dominator-890 owner. I really have to wonder if panzer06 has really looked at the redesign, watched all the videos, compared the hardware/cost, read all the post, and looked at the benchmarks. The GT70 at $1,899, would not be at that price, if equally equipped, and I'd be upset too, if my notebook were so quickly superseded. Also, the redesigned GT72 series is in it's infancy, and will soon usher-in the next-gen tech. As to RAID0, backups are a good idea in most any storage configuration, and you only have yourself to blame if you do not practice this. As to M.2 SSD's, this fairly new territory, but single 512GB M.2 SSD's are a reality.

TOSHIBA THNSNH512GDNT SATA M.2 SSD (Article written 8 Oct 2013)

Oh, wait a minute...... the GT72 Dominator Pro is equipped with Toshiba series M.2 SSD's, the Toshiba, THNSNJ128G8NU, 128 GB M.2..... and this series is also available in 512GB.

Anyhow, the one thing I will say for the GT70 Dominator-890, is at $1899., a nice price considering the CPU MSI offers, but that is an exception for the outgoing GT70 series, and not the rule. It does not come with 32GB system ram, nor a SuperRAID 3 configuration. If you want SuperRAID 2 and the memory upgrade, you will have to pay extra..... so the assertion $1899 vs. $3000 is ludicrous. I also like how this guy tries to minimize the complete redesign, simply saying, 'aesthetics'..... C'MON, Please!

(LOL! I expect the thread to be trolled by other brand fans, BUT not MSI GT70 owners!)

 

I don't deny there are improvements but I already had a 1TB mSATA SSD so giving me 4x 128GB M.2 SSDs in Raid0 (which is really fast) isn't a requirement. If I could buy a $1899 G72 with comparable CPU and some of the new stuff perhaps I could understand people feeling upset but as far as I'm concerned it's not a significant boost for most use cases. 20GB of RAM is plenty unless you plan on running a bunch of VMs. Both Newegg GT72 versions come with 128GB M.2 drives (2x and 4x respectively) and in most cases the length of the card necc to achieve single drive high capacity precludes most laptops except those Mac laptops that take the very long versions of the drives.

Benchmarks don't mean much to me. All I really care about is whether I can obtain noticeably better performance with my new system than with the prior one. Moving from the GE60 to this GT70 was a noticeable change and while heavier the GT70 is quieter. I just didn't see spending $600-$1000 more since the boost didn't justify it. I'll keep this one for a year and see if the new Intel platform next year is significantly better.

I don't really care one way or another. I just would hope people would be happy with their purchase since the new system isn't likely to be that much faster in every day use than the GT70 they already own, especially is they already own SSD drives and have updated the RAM on their own.

And of course you are correct it's not a straight comparison. However, how many gamers don't have excess RAM and drives sitting around that could be repurposed? I used to own a Lenovo Y510p with M.2 SSD. Didn't find it any faster than mSATA (most likely Lenovo didn't implement something) and you can't use any mSATA drives you might have on hand.

Cheers,

EDIT: as a Mac owner for years I am particularly unimpressed by changes that are more style than function. I stopped buying new Macs because of the it really looks nice mentality tied to worse specs. In this case (MSI is not Apple) the changes are significant enough to warrant notice but not enough for me to believe people should be disappointed in their 3 month old computers.

 

Is this laptop too heavy to use on your lap (with a cooling pad maybe)? Or ok for say a couple of hours at a time?

 

You do realize you are basing some of your comparison on your personal situation and knowledge, right? Make the comparison Apples to apples, not apples and oranges. Many folks do not have a spare 1TB mSATA SSD lying around, and regardless your thoughts on ram requirements, at $1899, the GT70-890 comes with 12GB, and at $3000, the GT72-007 (SKU you compare with) has 32GB. You keep speaking to Newegg GT70-890 models having M.2, yet I am not seeing this..... not even amongst the authorized custom building resellers, who have the same SKU's. All I am seeing is that it's upgradable, at additional cost, with mSATA SSD's. Can you please send a link?

I am a GT70 owner.... have owned 3, still own 2, so I fully understand your thoughts here, but not everyone has the same perspective, is as frugal, or as tech savvy. Myself, I did not NEED a GT72..... but I really wanted to test it, before later purchasing the upcoming next-gen 9-series, Maxwell, X-treme Edition GT72. On several occasions I have suggested GT70 owners hold-off on the GT72..... least till 9-Series and the next GPU is released. BUT, I only suggest that, based on what that specific individual is telling me. Some folks really don't care, some simply want NEW, IMPROVED, the LASTEST/GREATEST, and the percentage of performance increase or cost really doesn't matter. You say benchmarks really don't matter, but for many folks, BENCHMARKS MATTER!

Anyhow, have you reviewed post #1 and #2 of this thread? If not, I can tell you the GT72 is a definite improvement, which many others will appreciate.

Enjoy!

 

I have the 15.6 inch model (7-8lbs) and it's heavy enough to be uncomfortable within 15 minutes of use on my actual lap with a cooler/stand. So yes it is too heavy. Ideally the GT72 is used as a desktop replacement, not something you want to use too often in bed or on your lap or on a dinner tray.

Don't you wish you could somehow fuse all of your laptops to create a super laptop like RAID 0? LOL

 

LOL! DANG, you may just be on to something there!

Naw, I'm just obsessed with the next new thang.

 

I'm happy after seeing the Dominator, and sad once again after seeing the price.
I mean I dont mind waiting a few seconds on loading screens or boot ups, so I don't really need the SSDs and 16 GB of RAM is definitely an overkill, we all have to agree on that. I need something like the base'iest' version , like the GT70-895 something that would cost me around $1500. I so don't want to wait and go for the 895 but this GT72 sexy body with all the cooling features is really making me delay my purchase.

 

Lot of sour GT70 owners showing up, I guess I'd be pretty made too but that's part of being a laptop owner....there is always something better around the corner.
The GT70 is great but the GT72 is that much greater.

 

I speak of the Newegg GT72 models both having M.2 slots

The only point I really want to make is that in real world use for most people I know $2500-$3000 is not an option and there no significant reason to be disappointed in a prior purchase. There's always something new coming and all of these incremental updates are just placeholders anyway as we wait for the new Intel Chipsets. I just want to encourage recent GT70 owners to enjoy what they have.

And alas yes, I do tend to view everything through my own perspective, character flaw I suppose...

Cheers,

 

yes... the GT72 use an Adapter with 4 Slots for M2.2282 SSD....

 

I can understand why people would be upset regarding their previous laptop but remeber that this is why it is important to keep in mind product announcements and launches. Sometimes the new products are merely small updates to existing devices, others are brand new products.

But still, it doesn't mean your current laptop no longer works or underperforms. While the new design has better cooling, you can still play games just as well Cheer up people, and it all means that the next time you upgrade, you will see a great increase in specs and cooling!

 

ryzeki, how's the cooling on the GT60? Logically I am assuming GT70's larger surface area will provide a bit better cooling than the GT60's chassis: but practically what temperatures do you reach while heavy gaming?
GT60 seems a bit more portable than GT70.

 

GT60's cooling is similar to GT70's. I can tell you as a previous GT780DX and current GT60 owner. After I did repaste both CPU and GPU I'm getting max 88°C GPU and max 83°C CPU no Turbofan and no OC. Under 80% fan speed I get 84 GPU and 79 CPU. With Turbofan it goes to 78-80 GPU and 72-74 CPU. This is with Crysis 3 at max settings. The game is playable at an avarage 34fps
I do own a notebook backpack from Wenger (the swiss knife maker) and my GT60 fits better and feels more confortable than with the GT780DX before. So yes portability is better in respect to the 17.3 model

 

As felix3650 said, cooling is very similar. GT70 could be said has slightly better cooling due to the larger chasis but after using both GT70 and GT60, I feel they are very comparable. It's been a while since I used the stock fan profile, but I remember my temps being as felix. 88 to even 92 degrees depending ambient temps and what I am playing. Demanding games run hotter but typically the GPU maintains its designed core clocks on stock. Since I use my personal fan profile with up to 80% fan speed, I usually game between 78 -80 degrees celsius for demanding games. If you play non demanding games, well temps are quite lower. I typically reach those temps overclocked. On stock they can be lower.

GT60 is quite more portable, not so much for the weight, but the sheer size.

When ambient temps are over 100 F, I need turbofan to avoid geting too hot of a laptop haha

 

Well, that's not so bad. It's almost the same as the GT70. Perhaps because the smaller screen is powered by the same chip compensates for the size of the chassis.
I might be getting the 424 or 895.
Waiting for the base version of GT72 seems a really long wait.

 

Maybe the wait is worth it are you in a hurry to get a new system? If yes, then sure current GTs are awesome laptops with a great deal of power. But if you are going to invest in a new high end gaming laptop, might as well wait a bit more for the new design!

You can always use an older computer or something to wait it out back in college I wanted to upgrade to a new Asus G51J so I bought a netbook Eee pc to endure until it came out. It was painful to use a netbook back then hahaha, even web browsing proved to be a tremendously difficult task for it. But with my G51J I couldn't be happier

 

For the time being the gt72 is being run alongside the gt70 with the g72 as the premium model. It might take a while before it gets a lower sku. This is just my guess, I don't have official word on it.

 

Ahhhhhhhh, so now in your reference to 'NewEgg' versions having M.2, you were talking about the GT72. I could have sworn you were referring to the GT70-890, in you post to Meaker (post #260), but alas, I see you have since edited that post. (DANG, I wish I screen-grabbed that post, LOL! ) I see you also have since edited your reply to me (post #264), but at least I got a 'Quote' prior to your edit.

It matters not, I am nit-picking, because I think it is now agreed, the GT70 has mSATA SuperRAID 2, while the GT72 has M.2 SuperRAID 3.

For everyone's benefit, what improvements does the GT72 bring?

1. Improved chassis design.
2. Larger touchpad, smooth and seamless with the palm rest.
3. A large, cool to the touch, glass-like polymer palm rest.
4. More USB 3.0 ports.
5. A 230W PA.
6. A 1080p webcam
7. Revised Steelseries keyboard, flex-free, with brighter back-lighting.
8. Dual fan cooling solution, with improved chassis vent design, a better fan control profile, ergo.....
9. Better overall temps, with quieter operation.
10. Re-designed chassis, and finally a new model designation.
11. Gone is the problematic capacitance touch bar, replaced with positive touch switches.
12. Gone is finicky Optimus switching, replaced with a simple dedicated GPU switch.
13. mSATA SuperRAID 2, is replaced with M.2 SuperRAID 3, increasing speed, and the capacity of the RAID set. ( M.2 should improve significantly with the Intel 9-Series chipset)
14. Killer Doubleshot Pro, wherein Ethernet and Wireless can be used independently, or simultaneously for improved bandwidth.
15. And finally, due to the overall re-design, a more intuitive gaming experience.

Did I miss anything?

I think panzer06 and myself can agree, with the introduction of the GT72, GT70 owner's have not been magically transformed into the technological dark ages. This industry is continually evolving at rapid pace, and SOON, the GT72 will become even better yet. Stay tuned!

It has begun..... post #256.

The MSI GT72 Dominator-047

 

A new GT72 Dominator-047 was just added. Biggest difference is GTX 870M and 1 m.2 drive installed.

 

Say what? You can´t carry 5kg´s on your lap for more than 15 minutes? I can game hours upon hours on end provided i have a laptop cooler (More for my balls than for the laptop actually).

I didn´t even have a desk for the best part of a year, each and every one of my hour long gaming sessions was either with the PC on my lap or on my stomach.

The weight (or size) of a laptop I find mostly does´t make a big difference as to what you can use your laptop for, but mostly what you will use it for.

Forexample, I often bring my tablet, 11" or 13" inch laptop to the bathroom, but very, very rarely my 17 inch.

It´s not that the 17 inch is chained to my desk. It fits the same table-thingy I use for the small ones as well, so that´s not it either.

My point is, the difference between gaming on your lap on a 2kg Mac or a 5kg Alienware is barely even noticeable, but picking it up with 1 hand and showing something to your friends, that´s where you will feel the extra weight.

 

Similar to the people who regret buying a GT70 now, the people who want to buy a GT60 should be cautious. Who knows if they will release a GT62 with a similar chassis?

This post is an inb4 all the rage from new GT60 owners lol.

Whelp you wanted an opinion so you got it. If you think you can handle a 17 inch desktop replacement notebook with a laptop cooler on your lap for several hours, then go for it. Hell, what do I care what you think? lol

Personally I think a 2kg and 5kg difference on my lap is pretty significant.

 

Ugh..... I feel like I just witnessed an episode of 'testosterone vs. estrogen'.......

 

Ive had a heavy 17 laptop before, but can't remember the model to look up the weight to work out if it was maneagable or not (and they have subsequently gone into administration so cant look on website!) . Appreciate input from all, and value opinions.

 

This notebook weighs 8 lbs., 6 oz., and the power adapter is 1 lb.,11 oz., for a combined weight of 10 lbs., 1 oz.

 

Aye, cheers - got the weight of this one. I think my old one was about 4kg, so about the same... Thanks

 

For those interested, in the lead post of the thread I've updated product images, MSI downloads, news, etc. Also, I see reseller prices are now $100 less than MSRP.

Enjoy!

 

What???? Where ???

Not to go rogue on the MSI community but according to my observation the GT72 with the same specs as the GT70 is $100 more. Which we will be paying for the cooling and the sexy body.
Now, i am thinking of getting the ASUS ROG G750JS- RS71 from ExcaliberPC. (I can already feel hatred raging towards me ).
I mean better cooling minus the sexy look minus the wait time = ASUS.
My inclination towards the ASUS model only drooped a bit lower cause of the 4710 processor instead of the 4800. I mean ASUS already offers 4700, so why not that.
I'm bracing my self for some thrashing now.

 

Strong rumors of new GPUs coming out in october as well as more varied versions/revisions of GT72, as well as possibly Asus G760. You SURE you don't want to wait?

 

No thrashings given here.... but perhaps I can assist you with a little homework.

Most anything you would like to know about the GT72 Dominator Pro, including differences over the GT70, can be found HERE..... and 'Initial thoughts', unboxing photos, and benchmarks can be found HERE.

I am not going to debate the Asus G750, but I'd look into the GPU. Recently, I confirmed it is once again, Asus proprietary, and non-MXM standard.

Best of luck!

I REALLY hope so, but I fear October may be a little optimistic.

 

:cry: :cry: Why ???? Why you do this to me ??? :cry: :cry:

 

LOL! That was better than a 'thrashing, wasn't it?

 

We have broken him

 

Oooooooohhhh....I know how awesome the GT72 is, I do. But it's the waiting that's really killing me.
Also one of my biggest problems is that I don't live in the US. Upgrading my GPU is not as easy as you think here (Dubai). The PC/laptop market rips people off big time. I mean ordering from US and paying for shipping saves me around $1000 for a laptop. Swapping my GPU won't be a walk in the park either. Until I visit the US myself, there's no upgrading.

I don't know. These Maxwell cards are not coming out anytime soon. The desktop versions are rumored to be out in Q4 2014 or Q1 2015. Add some more time for the mobile versions.
BTW just saying, with the maxwell cards, I don't think we would be needing the 230W supply (just pacifying my inner self that GT70 or G750 might do)

 

nVidia is releasing the new desktop GPUs on september or so it seems. And the rumors do suggest an October release for a new GPU for laptops. Supposedly a 980m or something like that I am also cautiosly optimistic, but well, what else is there but to wait!?

It is my duty to provide my fellow laptop-buying mates with the best possible info! Aren't you curious as to what is coming?! Maxwell showed it's prowress with 860m, there are significant gains to be had for the high end :thumbsup:

 

I am thinking an Intel 9-Series, 16-20nm Maxwell, X-treme Dragon Edition GT72, by late Q4, or Q1 of 2015...... but the sooner, the better!

 

Exclusive: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880 to be released in September | VideoCardz.com

 

Hmmm, all that in a single package, yeah most likely 2015. But GT72 with new nvidia GPU, with haswell? Seems like... VERY soon

 

Meh, there is also rumors of initial GM204 releases still having the 28nm process. Either way, for my next GT72 I am holding out until 9-Series, the 16-20nm mobile flagship Maxwell, and an X-treme Core i7. This is where both SuperRAID 3 and Maxwell performance will really shine. A red 'Dragon' edition may be wishful thinking..... I've suggested it, and fingers are crossed, we'll see..... but I am definitely waiting for the GT72 X-treme Edition, and this is why I reserved post #3 of this thread.