The MSI Overclocking Thread! (Stricly For OC)

Just put it in and it works great

how long is the 'run in' time for paste usually? Its running at about 83C when cpu is at 100% and it idles at about 55C. Will this decrease over time?

Blazin

 

Kool !! Now let's try to fry your mobo shall we

Is that temp without your big boy ? How did you applied it ?

 

nah thats temp with it, i know its a bit high for now, but hopefully it will come down

 

Mx-3 doesn't have a curing time but we'll see .. nothing to worry about so far.
So , you like your new upgrade ?

If you press turbo , it will increase it by 4% I know ! lame

 

Using AS5 atm, will probs get some MX3 soon

 

ah ok .. makes sense. curing time is 200hrs something

 

you guys try rmclock or cpugenie to up voltages to get that q9200 higher?

 

Instead of doing all the steps listed on page 1, couldn't you just use AMD GPU tool to set your overclock speeds?

 

For the GPU? yep,

As for CCC overdrive, thats the supported OC interface, all the rest is just baaad

As for the CPU, its normally locked out

 

Why is it possible to OC desktop PC CPUs but not laptop CPUs?

 

It is possible to overclock laptop cpus, but most laptop manufacturers don't want you to do it as the laptops don't have sufficient cooling.. resulting in some melted plastic

 

LOL, where? pics? :O

 

Lol plastic? Melting?

Rarely happens hehe, but people lock the cpus for a couple of reasons,

1) More life time
2) Less calls/email/letter rescource time being used to answer all of this.
3) Less notebooks to fix, every manufacturers dream, if people can't break them then the main company doesnt have to waste money on new components.

Although overclocking older components isn't that bad idea, because they're cheaper, but thats a whole other discussion.

 

You were saying..?

http://crisiscomm.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/laptop.jpg

 

Im certain that wasn't from the heating, probably some guys cell popped or he put it on the cooker,

And besides that looks ancient!

 

Yeh it does look pretty old haha

i'm thinking of getting some Kingston Hyper-X RAM, CL4 with 4-4-4-12 latency.. pretty sweet.. but also pretty pricey

http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KHX6400S2ULK2_4G.pdf

 

That's the one i wanted before decided to go with CL5

 

But you can only overclock your Qx9200 to 3Ghz with that ram?
I want to try and push mine to 3.4 with new ram

 

hi catacylsm, i have a couple question regarding the msi gx640 laptop that will ship to me soon....
do you know what "gaming mode" does? does it oc anything?
how far does ati 5850 go in oc? what is the max temp that i should have? currently i have the old msi gx600-400 with 8600GT oc from 500/400 to 640/475 and max i get for GPU is 76 C, the fan is not even fully loaded . yo and BTW my friend has a rig with 2.8ghz C2D and gtx260, is there any way i could beat his rig lol?( but most likely its "no")

 

Hey emir, i will certainly do my best to answer all your questions.

I dont think gaming mode overclocks it, its possible it does optimise it in some way,

The 5850 should overclock nicely, the current temps vary on ambience alot i find but for gaming your temps at stock will be in the 80s, so hotter then your current machine but much more powerful, fan will also be notably louder.

And i'd say that your laptop will either be on equal footing or better then your friends gaming rig (Not to mention tesselation and dx11 support.)

Hope this helps Emir!

 

The prob is the CPU , I doubt it can run stable over 3ghz.

The ram I'm using is awesome , went over 1000mhz without bsod.

 

The qx9300 is capable of 4ghz, if we had multi access, pushing fsb, its gambling a bit .

 

I heard those numbers but haven't seen any proof yet.

Like you said if only we could change the multi in the bios would have been great ! I had one modded by svet with voltage , multis and crap .. But couldn't bloody use any of them features.

So we called it a day

 

Yeah, we now need some liquid nitrogen!
By the way, Dead, can you send me this BIOS with unlocked options for voltage and everything else. I could make a good use of it.

 

Haha naaa, mandrake did it with his m17, is was beaut to see the m17 doing that.

 

Really? LN2 ?
Link please.

 

Oh dear your not going to ask me to dig around the alienware forum, ill pm him if ya like, but he was at a lovely 4ghz and members told him to go for world record place submission!

 

Finally!!!
I was able to put my HD4850 in my laptop.
After a thousaund of tries (which I didn't wrote about here ) I manage to get it to work. But so far with the good news
Now my temperatures are extreemly high. The card idles at 65-75 degrees celsius and on gaming it goes above 100.
... and I was thinking of overclocking it when I bought it ...
Now .. I have to mention that this is HD 4850 master card from Alienware laptop and it is brand new. I had a lot of troubles to make it to work, because I don't have the exact mounting bracket for my heatsink (heatsink is from GT735). I was searching this forum about what temp you guys get using this card and all the temps stated here were max 80 -85 on heavy loads. So the temperatures I get are more than disturbing.
I assembled the card and heatsink using AS5 thermal paste. Now I'm wondering what could be the reason of getting temperatures that high. These days I'll dissasemble it again and I will check how the card contacts with the heatsink. Meanwhile, if you have any other suggestions, they are much appresiated.

 

Hey genna, nice to see it working!!

Right i think there has to be a certain something thats causing the issue,

Have you got GPU-Z? maybe its worth seing if it can pick up the cards shader/core/memory thermal profiles, it could be having problems touching the HS?

 

GPUz reads everything. Here are two pics of it. First one is at idle and second one is right after one truck race on NFS Shift. Just imagine what happens when I run Crysis
Also what I noticed that the card does not actually control the fan speed. I think Electrosoft did menton that one about an year ago. The air that blows from behind is very hot, so may be the heatsink sits well on the core, but the air flow is not enough to cool it.
If this matters somehow ... GPUz shows that the fan speed is at 30% even at highes temps. Are there any tools to change ATI BIOSes, such as NiBiTOR?

 

Hmm, ok this is odd,

The fan speed cant be change, it can't be read either so dont worry about it, would you say the fan is responding properly genna?

Also, what about the HS, is it the correct one?

 

Well, the heatsink is from GT735, which is the same as one used in GT725, so ... May be is not making good contact with it, because I don't have the right mounting plate for the card (As mentioned before the size of the mounting plate holes differs MXM 2.1 type II - 41mm and MXM 2.1 type III - 45 mm). So what i did - take the screws only of the old heatsink and use it on this card (there is no metal braket at back side now). I'll check this again when I have the time ... but I assume that there will be none of it utill the weekend
And about the fan ... I think that is not responding properly (another reason, more likely ), because it stays at constant speed independent of the load of the card. Can this be because of driver issue? i'm using latest Catalyst 10.4.

 

I'd say its possible, hmm we need...

Get OCCT and run OCCT CPU test (Not linepact, then run something...lol something gpu based but not tooo taxing).

If it sounds like its staying at constant speed there could be more to the msi 4850 then we know, perhaps the fan is controlled off programmed values from the original MSI cards, where as using this alienware, it could possibly be not reading?

Just some noob theory but who knows.

 

Is it safe to flash the Vbios to those of the MSI (Gt729)?

 

Hard to say really, i wonder if the memory controller changes to accomodate more ram?

 

For sure it's not safe to flash it with another BIOS with different memory amount. I've read somewhere in Tech Power Up Forums for that.
Also as I know I'm not the only one with Alienware card in my laptop. ... and since there are no other complains such as mine ... so there is something wrong that I've done ...
catacylsm this is good idea with OCCT. I'll give it a try and will post back what happens.

 

The thing is that I am unable to find the 18 in the last settings

 

Yes, I had the same problem. Try using memset to change it when you login.

Or try flashing your SPD with thaiphoon burner.

 

What BIOS you have ?

 

1.0S

I never upgraded. Too scared to brick it.

 

There's a tool that does all the flashing for you , and 100% safe.

 

catacylsm,
I tested it with OCCT and now I'm sure that my problem is with heatsink. The fan run fast and the temp of the GPU didn't go below 58 degrees.
Now just something to ask - Is it possible for Arctic Silver 5 to go bad? I bought it a year ago and I kept it at room temperature. Also I might be wrong, but I'm not sure for the origin of the thermal paste, since I've bought it from eBay. It looks like AS5, though

 

Its been a while since ive used AS5, but isnt it supposed to be kept cool? I remember putting my one tube of it in the fridge for some reason.

 

@ Retto,
Yeah may be you're right ... that's why I shared this info, so you gyus to tell me how it is supposed to keep it.
@ Silicon chip,
1.0s has the RAM settings you need. You just need to go to your BIOS -> Advanced tab -> then press Alt+Ins for Advanced settings -> Chipset Configuration -> North Bridge Chipset Configuration -> Configure DRAM Timinig by SPD -> set it to Disable. The default value is Enabled. When you change it to Disabled you'll see another 4 row apearing on the screen. And there it is ... the main 4 DRAM timing you're looking for. Have fun!

 

I aint the kind of computer illiterate you think I am

I know that the thing is that for the first 3 timings I can set anywhere between 3-8, but for the 4th one the max possible that I can set is 15.

I tried 6-6-6-15, it screwed up to 6-2-3-15, even though it remained 6-6-6-15 in the BIOS.

I tried memset too, it wont allow me to change the 1st timing itself, though it allows me to change the rest 3.

But I actually think I dont need it, I thought I couldnt push my ram, But it turns out to be CPU thing, the ram hits 960 easily on 20% OC (800 as base) but at 24% the CPU gives away at 2.976 and easily crashes in less than 10 mins.

 

Sorry, Silicon chip, I didn't follow the conversation.
I'm using 1.10 BIOS and here you can set the values between as follows:
1st: 3 to 7; 2nd: 2 to 8; 3rd: 2 to 8; 4th: 4 to 15.
So if you want to set it above 15 you have to use some software under Windows
Hint: May be you know but for max stability the sum of first three timings shoud be your fourth one

 

Sorry for double post, but since i found out this important, I ve decided to go for it.
Now, I fix it! The card is working now in good temperature diapason. What was the cause? - You know that the Alienware cards come with small orange sticker that covers the core without the chip itself, right? So on my card this sticker was covering just a little bit the two of the edges of the chip. Although it is with thickness about 1mm it was just enough not to make a good contact with the heatsink. I removed that 2 parts and now everything is working good.
Still this is just a try, and I didn't put new thermal paste, but now my temperatures are 56 idle and max 90 when gaming. So when I have some more time I will change everything and then ... you know what follows ... if you don't know, well ... just look at the title of the thread.

 

So liking your new HD4850 Master Card. I think its the best possible card in MXM 2.1

 

I'm an ATI fan, and this might have something in common, but ofcourse it is the best card for MXM 2.1

 

The AW card is good for sure, best overclock potential too i believe especially on the memory

Great to hear that its working though!