The Official 1727 / GT740 Lounge

Its doubtful you will find a 5870 anytime soon and when you do it wont be worth the price. Better off buying a laptop with a 5870 already installed. Makes more sense.

 

Actually, some are saying that some of the new ati cards, including the 5870, are rated for 60w, but nobody knows for sure.

However, upgrading the 250m to the 5870 would be almost impossible due to finding a heatsink (the 250m's heatsink will not work).

 

Just have some time and save some money, maybe MSI will introduce a new barebone/whitebook with ATI GPU POWER.:wink:

 

That would take at least 3 - 4 months... Cuz they JUST released a barebone like 15 days ago...

 

Hmm....

then what about the 260m and the 280m 's?

do nVidia mobile GPUs share the same heatsink?..

I was just wondering come to think of it.

 

Every heat sink for every card is diffrent. The GTX 280m is 75 watt like the GTX 260m. The GTX 280m might work in the GT740 as long as the MXM slot isnt capped.

 

Reviews are starting to trickle in:

http://www.pcmag-mideast.com/2009/12/31/msi-gt740-review/

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-MSI-GT740-Gaming-Notebook.23977.0.html

Looks like they stuck pretty much with the 1722 chassis down to the original keyboard (love it or hate it. I always loved it), and
the weak power connector prone to breaking. In the end, I'm a huge fan of the 1722 chassis look, feel and build, especially the brushed aluminum chassis (GX720, GT725, GT740)

In addition, in this day and age of better LED screens which was one of my major disappointments in announcing the new 1727/GT740 and MSI sticking to their old screens, the SXGA+ screen gets panned pretty badly.

Performance is about par for the course (~7500 in 06, 3618 in Vantage GPU).

This version definitely runs hotter than the previous with the 820 in it and with the mildly increased heat across the board from the 250M and more importantly the i7's, the single fan/ dual heatsink solution might not be enough for some extreme situations:

"The Core i7 has already proved to be hot-headed in previous tests. Whilst the 820QM's temperature is still completely reasonable in idle mode with around 50°C, a partly alarming high 100°C is reached under full load (several hours of Prime95 + Furmark). Because of this, the processor sometimes clocks down to 1500 - 1600 MHz."

The 1727/GT740 do support the i7 extremes, but I'd be apprehensive to see them under real, sustained load in this chassis with the temps the 820 is already achieving or trying to upgrade the video card from the 250 to something much hotter (5800 series or even potentially a 260) without some serious cooling upgrades.

 

82% ! that's shockingly too high , especially with the 250m on board .... a 4850 or 4870 would have been better

 

With the heat induced throttling of the i7 CPU alone in the GT740 along with throttling of the 4850 in the GT725 under extreme load (confirmed by Tom's Hardware), a 4850 or 4870 in conjunction with the 720/820 in the GT740 would have brought the system to its knees quickly and brutally.

With a 9600M and even a QX9300, the 1722 chassis ran pretty cool, but even with a beefier CPU Heatsink, it's clear a single fan solution can't cut the mustard even with the 820 and a mid range 250M.

 

Notebookreview will have its own review of the PowerPro I 10:17 (MSI 1727) within the next week or so...

 

I don't agree , Heat can always and easily be dealt with , besides the 725 has one tiny fan and the 4850 doesn't exceeds 65+ load , even over 6hrs of crysis all maxed out. You said it yourself that the cpu underclock itself in normal usage (so does all other cpu).. so the tiny msi fan in addition to a 3rd party cooler = cooler machine

 

>.> as long as a laptop is properly tilted from the back there shouldn't be heat issues, or even a need for a cooler. I think somethings rather off about notebookchecks review, I find it hard to believe there is such a huge temperature difference between this laptop and the old 1722 even though the total power draw is pretty similar.

 

I agree that a follow up testing will help, but this is just the initial analysis (which was pretty in-depth though).

The idea is to deal with heat in a usable way. Having to park your laptop on a cooler or elevate it beyond its spec'd rear height, to me, defeats the purpose of a proper design. Even then, taking care of the heat is not guaranteed.

And throwing a 4850 (~55w) in there and a i7 is a potential thermal problem as in a normal usage setting, the system did eventually hit 100 and had to throttle. Imagine addressing the CPU heat and the >2x power consumption of a 4850 or similar (or ~3x with a 260M).

Well, the total comparative power draw would be using a QX9300 or similar, but with a 9600M GT and a QX9300 I was insanely impressed with the cooling of the 1722 and its noise level except under the heaviest of loads. All that in a 7lb package was just super sweet.

Their review does make note of the noise, even at idle along with the increase heat output.

They also are pretty critical of the screen.

The 250M uses GDDR3. Coupled with a 128-bit bus, it still managed to provide a decent improvement over the 9600M.

Being a massive fan (understatement) of the 1722 ID1 and ID2 chassis, here's hoping an equally in depth follow up review somewhat invalidates their results as the first, real, indepth review isn't exactly great.

 

I'm just curious if they limited the power to prevent full power to like a 280m.

Also if you looked at the manual available at msi's product page, the bios options are once again unbelievably limited.

 

>.> but the stock bios was that way for all the msi laptops, it wasn't till later bios updates that the 1651 and 1722 received more options for overclocking and ram tweaking. I don't think they are offering any overclocking feature at all which I believe is the same for all i7 laptops right now.

 

Lol, unfortunately we can't, yet:

http://www.amd.com/uk/products/notebook/graphics/Pages/notebook-graphics.aspx

 

bump.


hey guys can anyone tell me if this GT740 has a power-over-eSATA port?

From the photos.. i think they are- and MSI has put POE ports on GT735, GX620, GX720,, so GT740 should have 'em, but I am not sure.

Can anybody tell me if the eSATA port on this thing ( MS-1727, the whitebook ) is POE?

Thanks!

 

own bump. I got this baby finally and it is, a Power-over-ESATA.

The case is surprisingly light for its size, and the surface is matte finish..

not too many fingerprints. The keyboard is perfect to my liking

In two hours, I'll be down at the university post office to pick up my processor, RAM, wifi5300, and etc.

I'll post benchmarks when I'm done installing everything.

 

Awesome, look forward to your results merak.

 

Congrats, you will love it I'm sure, The GTS 250m has excellent overclocking ponential. Look forward to the review.

 

You Aussie's can already order the GX740 with the Mob. HD5870. :wink:


http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/61575_MSI_GX740_AB__I5_430M__500__17__4.aspx

 

Yeah go AUSSIES!

I think I'm going to sit this out though. I only got my GT725 about 6months to a year ago and I'm still happy

 

Yeah, a 30% boost isn't going to be overkill to be honest, im in love with the 4850 and now an ati happy customer.

Gddr5 + a 128bit bus, i wonder how it'l handle at the higher res', these are coming quite a common combo with some cards these days.

And dx11 support .

 

>.> just me or does it seem like notebookreview is taking longer and longer to get reviews out? They always seem to get the sager/clevo laptop reviews out in a decent amount of time.

 

You mean notebookreview does notebook reviews

 

>.> I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not, but yes they do laptop reviews. On the gaming laptops usually Charles does the review and submits it to the site mods. >.> he said he finished it weeks ago though for one of the new core i7 msi laptops.

 

lol of course I'm being sarcastic.

Has anyone ordered one of these beasts yet?

 

Guys, sorry for being so late -

but it was a hassle!

I had some trouble when I flashed the MSI GT740 EC Firmware onto my barebones MS-1727 ID1..

( The external buttons are different, so my Wifi, P1 button, and webcam were completely unusable- )

the MSI support team did a terrible, terrible job and said that GT740 equals MS-1727 ID1, so there should be no problem..... shame on them...

I was able to get the MS-1727 Firmware back and flashed it..

Saved my function keys

And I managed to OC' my GTS 250m....

You guys could take a look.

Factory GTS 250m in MS-1727 ID1
Core : 450mhz / Mem : 790mhz / Shader : 1080mhz

OC'd GTS 250m
Core : 550mhz / Mem : 810mhz / Shader : 1330mhz

3dmark06 : 8270 Points!!

the temps are really low... the cooling system is remarkable,

as the 250m never goes over 65'c.... during the entire benchmark.

Heat is barely felt over the matte surface, although the fan can be heard even in idle state.

I wasn't able to OC the i7-820qm, but still,

it is hell of a laptop

In the windows index, it shows a 6.6 - the GTS 250m is a bottleneck indeed..

 

we are waiting for a real review >.>.

 

I think merak, if you can push the memory clock higher, your score will go up alot methinks .

 

Yeah.. that's what I had thought,,

but then, even if I raise the mem clock by 10mhz,

the benchmark would experience an error and the graphics test will crash..

should i reduce the core and shader overclocks to assign some to memory clock?

 

You could try that, leave the others at default and push the memory slowly,

Guys charles just got the 1727 up, and its lookin goooooood

 

Wow could I have the link

I can't seem to find it anywhere...

 

Haha, here you go .

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5422

 

!!! MSI NEWS !!!


I know it's not relay great for those that ordered or are waiting for the MS-1727 (GT740) but then again it's just info and nothing more.


MSI GT740, GX740, GT640, GX640, GE700 and GE600 Gaming Notebooks Unveiled

MSI Horse Power Notebook GX640 And GX740 Intel Core i5 Duo Core Processor

MSI Horse Power Notebook GX640 And GX740 Intel Core i5 Duo Core Processor
MSI Horse Power Notebook G-series has some of the most powerful laptops in the world.
Equipped with a new generation of quad-core processors Intel platform, these notebooks the same as those used to the enemies of the world famous game Team Fnatic defeat.
The GX640 and GX740 has an Intel Core i5 Duo. To boast all cards with advanced high-performance 3D graphics and high quality software / hardware serious gamers who want power.
MSI mobile 3D is a new 15.6 inch HD 120Hz 3D model.
GPUs and 120Hz working to create a 3D simultaneous display of 60 images on the right and left eyes .
NVIDIA, 3D-vision goggles, appear realistic 3D images, creating a seamless integration of real and virtual worlds!




http://www.jdmag.com/msi-revamped-its-g-series-notebooks-with-latest-os-and-cpus/#more-12961

 

funny the i5's get a better gpu (ati 5000's).

 

Yeah but think of it darth, msi originally released the gt725 with a dual core, were seing the exact same here, i cant wait for this book!

Is that one of them? it looks 16:9.

 

I got fooled by that article too but Han confirmed at CES that the GX740 will keep using the same old 1727 style chassis. ;/


Hopefully the GX740 will allow the use of dual-core i7 Arrandales.

 

^--^

Yes, it will support all Arrandales.

 

They have really overhauled the chasis. Looks great, a lot more modern.

I just hope it doesn't feel flimsy like other MSIs.

 

The NBR review of the PowerPro I 10:17 (MSI 1727) is on the homepage of NBR right now. See what the reviewer says about the build quality...it certainly isn't flimsy

 

What about switchable graphics?

 

Thats good then. Maybe its just me, but when you tap either side of the touchpad on numerous MSIs I've used (GT725, CX600, EX620), it just seems to flex and make a plasticky noise...

 

No, it will have high end discrete graphics. When you get switchable graphics you get integrated, and a low end discrete card.

 

That doesn't make much sense. If anything the higher end cards also have higher power consumption and would gain more benefit with the use of switching to the Arrandale's low power IGP.

 

Well, with any luck I am wrong, but we won't know for sure until we see the final specifications of what actually comes into the US market.

 

Odds are the MSI won't support switchable graphics...I just don't agree it's for the reason you gave.

If you said it was because MSI didn't want to put in the extra work to support switchable graphics then that'd be the standard option that other notebook manufacturers are taking and I wouldn't have questioned you.

Since I've only seen mention of Arrandale CPUs being used in the GX models I thought I'd inquire about the option.

 

No worries...

I just haven't seen any models offered by anyone yet that uses switchable graphics with high end discrete video cards.

I agree that it makes more sense doing so, I just haven't seen anyone do it yet...have you?

 

One thing that looks interesting is the updated keyboard in the review. Is it the same as in the 1722 just with different color coding on the keys, or is it a new keyboard overall with different feel?

 

It's still up in the air whether the HP Envy 15 with Arrandales will support switchable graphics. HPs answer to that question depends on which customer service rep you talk to and how the Heavens are aligned at that particular moment.