The Official MSI GT60/70 970m/980m Upgrade Thread

Does this mean you figured out a way to trick your machine into thinking you have a GTX 970 Ti that you CAN overclock?

If so... please explain

 

Wait what? How did you do that? Can you overclock with new drivers?

 

Inquiring minds want to know!

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I think it has something to do with the vbios. You must rename the mobile maxwell to a different name. cos I've read in forums that other mxm cards other than maxwell (keppler,maxwell desktop, etc) can still be overclocked with the latest nvidia drivers. So I think overclocking is still there but Nvidia engineers have locked the mobile maxwell to avoid overclocking this beast's

 

Omega how do you change the name of the card? Can you post your vBios? I am running Prema VBios and overclock 200/200 and it stays under 70C while playing BF4 and gains me around 12-15FPS. It's nowhere near maxed out. Since it's at 0.993v with those clocks.

I think I may bump the clocks up even more. I think at 1.0 I can probably do 250/200 (I don't overclock the mem heavily since I can't monitor the temps of the memory).

 

Changing name there is nothing. The question is if this name was changed in Geforce Experience.

 

Well it depends on changing the hardware ID to something that keeps the chip happy and the system bios.

 

Thinking about upgrading to a 980m in my gt70, it came with a 880m.
The reason I want to upgrade is heat/noise.
Does the 980m run cooler then the 880m? If so by how much?
What temps do you get on your 980m in gt60/70 without using turbofan?

 

Hi Talon,

How do you get 70C?

I have tried Prema Vbios and it hits 90 C without overlocking!

Can you tell me please?

 

Hi estens

I think GTX 980m and GTX 880m makes the same noise it depends on the fan and temperature.

My GTX 980m's temperature is 38 C without running anything like games (Idle)

And the Maximum temperature is 80 C.

This is without using Turbofan

 

guys!!rjtech cancelled my purchase of the 980m and is going to refund the money!
any idea why would they do that ?
is the 980m out of stock there ?

 

ok was tired of fighting with temps and decided to try out another type of thermal paste. Decided on Gelid OC as the reviews were all positive. I also took the liberty of removing the gpu to inspect my thermal pads. The results I achieved have made me much happier. Not sure if replacing some of the thermal pads did the trick or it was the new Thermal Paste. Need to do a gameplay test for a few hours and see what I end up with. The first image is without fan. The second image is with fan. How do these results compare with what you guys are getting ?

 

TribalOne you uploaded 2 of the same images.

 

No idea. I would call them and ask. I just look at their website and it doesn't say out of stock on either the 980m or 970m.

 

Hah will fix out later. Was being dragged away by my 6 year old.

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I found last year when I was using Arctic MX-4 compound that it seemed to be drying out after a few months, esp on the cpu, and performance started to drop.. I looked around and have been using Thermalright Chill Factor 3 since. And so far since last year it has not managed to dry out and had kept its performance up

Mick

 

Firestrike with no fan and temps.
Firestrike with fan and temps.


hopefully I got it right this time!

 

So from what I see, I'll change the thermal paste of my GT70. My 980M keeps at 86ºC! :O. Which one should I go for? mmmm

 

I still need to see what temps will look like after gaming for a few hours to get real results. Just don't have time add I'm dealing with a family crisis for the rest of the week. Will post results as soon as I get the opportunity.

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Oh... I'm sorry about that... Well, I'll be waiting your results!

 

Yeah Ive noticed that benchmarks dont tell the whole story (surprise eh!) about temps. When you play a modern high end game that pushes the cpu, gpu and memory system, thats when you find out how hot things get.

Of my current games, it seems Evil Within does a good job of warming things up

Mick

 

https://www.change.org/p/nvidia-re-enable-overclocking-on-geforce-equipped-notebooks?

Lets get this **** signed guys.

also PC gamer are reporting this issue too

http://www.pcgamer.com/latest-nvidia-gtx-900m-drivers-remove-overclocking-support/

 

That's sad to hear, hopefully it resolves ok for you.

 

so again , i tried purchasing the 980m from my country (egypt ) through wire transfer
there's no freakin' bank in egypt that support the wire transfer through rjtech's bank account!
guys , i can't purchase the card through rjtech . i need a solution
ebay sells the card for about 900 USD . a total rip-off!
i need some website ( doesn't need to be american ) that sells the 980m for 720 USD - 600 EUROS for example
i even contacted nexoc to buy it from them , and they said that there head of shopping department " person " isn't available now and they'll reply back as soon as possible
guys , please give me a hand here . i don't know what to do and i'm getting desperate .

 

I played far cry 4 , 20 min. Temp was 84 degree max. It is normal or not? Anybody have idea ?

 

My 970m runs 10C less than yours while gaming, max fans, stock clocks. If that helps
Im using Phobia pads & Thermalright ChillFactor III

Mick

 

970m with Prema unlocked vBios and at 1.0v overclocked to +200mhz core and memory I played BF4 today for hours and topped out at 68C GPU. CPU usually hits around 75C avg across the cores. Its also freaking cold outside today.

This is WITH TURBO FAN ON.

 

The 970M does stay silly cool, have you done any cooling mods on it like using 0.5mm pads and using IC diamond or other quality paste?

 

Eh guys... Is there an equivalent vbios tuner (freeware) that i can tweak the core and memory speed of 9xxm card? It would be costly if i just test and ask svet to tune it for me.. Thanks guys

 

Nobody even suggested a solution to my problem seems like i am doomed

 

I don't know about the monetary laws in Egypt, but I ordered my 970m here in the UK from RJTech over the pond and paid with PayPal, could you just not do the same? Or is it that RJTech don't ship to your country?

Mick

 

Does anyone know if there are different variations of the same card that are made by the same brand? as in, can it be that there are 4 different variations of the 970M by Clevo? each designed for a different laptop? or is rjtech's reason for allowing you different selection of laptop module is for the sake of the heatsink?

I'm with MS-1762 (937-176262-033), still with .30U bios and GeForce GTX 680M and I wish to upgrade to the 980M, from what I gather after getting a .51X bios, my machine will be compatible in the same manner that the MS-16F3 is compatible and while it haven't been tested (my machine with the 980m) the 16F3 is known to be able to handle the Clevo 970M

I was going to place an order for 980m here:
http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30303
and then I saw that there are 4 different laptop module options, I realize that they are all Clevo and that I actually have an MSI laptop, but maybe it matters?

 

No other cooling mods other than using a combo of 1.0mm and 0.5mm 11wk pads and I uses PK-3 thermal paste. But yes the 970m is one heck of an overclocker and can stay crazy cool. I think around 250/200mhz is where you begin to see diminishing returns/gains in real gaming performance. Benchmarks are difference. But the trade off between overvolting and actual gains seems to not be worth it beyond that value. Further testing may still be needed.

When you see those variations, they are simply variations of of the Clevo heatsink, and have nothing to do with the actual card. You can select any of them.

 

Apart from the heatsink variations mentioned above by Talon (I chose the first in the drop box) the only differences I have noticed have been here, slight variations in vbios version.
Mine is stock and ends in 11, but I think someone here has listed theirs ending in 13, so possibly slightly newer?

Mick

 

After repasting CPU and GPU with arctic MX-4, I get the same 86ºC keeped in my 980M while playing far cry 3 (no turbo fans). It seems that vBios likes this temp and want to keep in that. The laptop is very quiet all time without no stress at all. So, I think that MSI vBios wants this temps to the gpu. Actually, I don't know if those temps are good or not. What do you think guys?

Hi. From what I see, have you tried to buy at a some shop in, for example, Israel? Maybe you can find a shop where you can buy this card in countries around yours and get your desired 980M. Just an idea

 

Hey that Prolimatech PRO-PK3 is actually one of the better thermal pastes out there =) (but you probably already knew that xD), about the pads that you used, are they by chance the Fujipoly Ultra Extreme pads? or which do you use? =)

Oh cool, thanks!

Doesn't have to necessarily be newer, could be same logic as region codes, the better question would be: are they interchangeable? can you flash one over the other, and if so, can you test (even a simple fire strike run) to see if there is any big difference in terms of performance.
But to be honest, my first objective is to get the 980M to actually work in my laptop, after which I'll probably be so happy with the results that I wouldn't even bother trying new vbios =p

Right! so, I know which card and from which store... now just to get my hands on .51X bios for the MS-1762 :X (and then probably validate it with Svet just to be on the safe side)

Which laptop do you have? on my MS-1762 (GT70) with GTX 680M if I dont push the "turbo fan" and play something heavy (like BF:Hard Line Beta a week ago) temps reach ~85ºC at which point I hit the button and it goose down to high 70s (a good delta of 10ºC there), I don't think that 85ºC is cool at all :X
However when playing Hearthstone\Heros Of The Storm .. my gpu never reaches more than 73ºC so I don't bother with the fan turbo mode.

What temps do you get when you hit that turbo mode? (and which laptop do you have)

That would be a terrible idea:
1) I don't actually know of any store selling it in that region, it would almost certainly be the price from another shop at Europe\us + double shipping (like, us>isr = 1, isr>egypt =2) and a fee (lets say another $150), yayiks.
2) But wait, it gets better, on there's two types of taxes that both apply to electronics entering Israel, both are 18%, so lets say you bought the card for $720usd, after first tax its $842.4usd, after second tax its 985.608, but don't forget that you need two different shipments and a middle's man cut (the shop or w\e) ........ yeah its going to be ~$1,250usd for a $720usd card :S
Better luck ordering from Dubai (And yet its possible, as I don't actually know) that the same limitation that you have on electronics coming from U.S. to Egypt will actually also apply to Dubai (but perhaps taxes wont be as bad)
p.s.
That is why everything electronic is more expensive in Israel, entery level MacBook air that costs 1k usd? 1.5k usd. Sony Z3 Compact that costs ~$450? $700 ... $2K alienware 17"? $4.3K

 

Fujipoly / ModRight Premium System Builder Thermal Pad Blister Pack - 1/4 Sheet - 150 x 100 x 0.5 - Thermal Conductivity 6.0 W/mK
Fujipoly / ModRight Extreme System Builder Thermal Pad Blister Pack - 60 x 50 x 1.0 - Thermal Conductivity 11.0 W/mK

Those are the thermal pads I purchased from FrozenCPU. I am not sure how much a difference good thermal pads make over others, but I always error on the safe side?
PK3 is most definitely a very awesome paste. I have found that other pastes seem to break down quicker. MX-4 IMO isn't that great and seems to work fine at first and then performance degrades quickly.
Other ways I keep my system cool are undervolting the snot out of my Hotwell CPU. The 4900MQ runs fairly warm at stock settings. So I undervolt -90mV and set it to 3.7ghz across all the cores. It stays pegged at these settings with ZERO throttling at all. Sometimes I use 3.8ghz across all the cores at -80mV. Again rock stable and never throttles down from those clocks.

But by undervolting the CPU and keeping it cool, it allows my GPU more thermal headroom and also allows it to run cooler. They share the same fan and the heatsink is bridged.

@Txordi those temps are great for a 980m if you're using stock fan and not turbo fan. The turbo fan will probably shave off around 10C max temps. If you did that, you could overclock if you found it necessary some day. I would assume at stock the 980m is a beast and not needed.

 

Oh! I needed to hear that! Great . Tonight I'll play a little with turbo fan on. I think it'll be a considerable difference because as said, my laptop seems to go really solvent without turbo fan on.

 

Good news guys! Take a see in this: https://forums.geforce.com/default/...king-with-347-09-347-25/post/4466443/#4466443

And now I've tried to play with turbo fan on and tachan! 75ºC max. When I turned off, in few minutes it again keeps at 86ºC, so seems that all is working fine

In a couple days we will get back the overclock capabalitie of our laptops! Good

 

Thank god...

 

Thats great news!!!!! btw.. it seems that tweaking our 9xx cards for 347 drivers will only work by changing values thru vbios...



This setting (+150 core, +300 mem) is working on an nvidia 347.52 driver with svl7 vbios. look at gpu settings , just disregard about the name of my gpu

@Talon

Eh bud, what drivers you using now for your 9xx card?

 

What CPU temps are you having? Me (4710mq) 47/55℃ on idle and 86℃ with all cores running at maximum (intel stress test). With turbo fans it reduces to 75℃. Seems normal is that true? Thanks guys

 

My notebook is same. Max 85 , with turbo fan 75

 

upon checking with GPUz. My nb max temp reached 86 degrees c. tweaked specs @+150 (core), +300 (mem) thru vbios

 

Is surprising the robustess of the single-fan dessign of the gt60/70.

 

Agreed

 

It's not the number of fans but a calculation of air flow vs fin area.

 

Actually there are many aspects to this, and its not very precise to say that it is about fin's area or the fin's count, its about total surface area of the heatsink with relation (the synergy) to the system's air flow* (cfm) generated by the fan(s) with further relation to the generated thermal energy (heat) of the system ... or in other words the system's heat removal potential.

* intake and outtake air flow needs to be equal otherwise either negative or positive pressure will be created reducing the efficiency of the cooling due to air being either trapped or otherwise slowed inside the machine.

** different materials have different thermal conductivity, if you could afford recreating exactly the same heatsink that you have now, in pure gold it would be cooling better than your current version, and as a rule of thumb copper beats aluminium, but is heavier and more expensive

*** besides efficient thermal conductivity, and surface area, another thing to consider is long term solution vs best case scnrio: its possible that you could have as many as 100 times more fins, in the same physical space, by reducing their thickness, while this in theory would work great, it would take far less "effort" to dust to get the heatsink clogged up which wouldn't really help you too much.

One thing I would love to see is a cooling pad that have some kind of a huge heatsink in it with special docking mechanic that allows heatpipes to somehow connect directly to the laptop's heatsink thus leading the heat away from the laptop

 

I think the 780m gpu heatsink helps alot in heat dissipation

 

Is there a big difference in the 870m heatsink and the placement of the area that needs the dremel, or is that something I need evaluate by referencing the new card?