The Official MSI GT60/70 970m/980m Upgrade Thread

@samXLR
Yeah FrozenCPU aren't taking any orders because in the news section of their site it says that "all current and future orders are suspended until they finish hiring personel". The only place I could find them was an ebay shop in the UK. It costs 13€ to ship them however..
Right now I'm using ICD7 and Phobya 7W/mK TIM and pads. I don't reccomend those pads as they are a bit on the "dry" side, so they tend to move a bit from their place if you're not careful enough.
Meaker's CPU is a desktop K series. The P570WM he has uses desktop CPUs and desktop chipsets so ofcourse even if you OC at the limit, his score would be higher with the same 980m settings.
You cannot change the VRAM voltage on software (not VBIOS controlled).
I got a pair of NAD Viso HP50 headphones on the way. Read pretty good reviews on them

@Meaker
So you got a good ASIC number. Mine is 67.5%
~1.65v on the VRAM eh?
Let us now how it goes with the Mosfets. I have a feeling the difference would be not as substantial however :/

 

There was quite a story around FrozenCPU, it all got a bit weird.

 

I never got really interested in asic's quality and stuff like that.
What does mean a high asic ? If i understand this correctly it's about electricity leak inside gppu die or something like this.
According to GPU-Z my 970m is 97.5. What does it mean about overclocking ?

@Meaker : you should give a try with nanoxia nano TF1000, simply a beast of liquid metal paste.

 

since i can't purchase the 980m from rjtech because there isn't a way that i can pay the website the money from my country , i contacted HIDevolution because they sell the gt72 upgrade kit
it costs 815 USD for the 980m + heatsink for the gt72 ( which is useless for me because i have the gt70 ) + a tube of ic diamond 7 carat + some thermal pads
http://www.hidevolution.com/parts/nvidia-gtx-980m-8gb-upgrade-kit-for-msi-gt72.html
they assured me it's 100% compatible with my gt70
so .. fingers crossed.please everyone wish me that i can get the card soon . it's been around 3 months now and i haven't got the card yet

 

Good luck man
God will help you.

 

God help you
Good luck man

 

:O surprising results after repasting better my laptop with more thermal paste (I've applied too less before). With no OC firestrke 8115 and (turbo fan on) gpu temps max: 64ºC. CPU max: 62ºC. Those are, by far, my best results with this laptop

 

Nice to hear that.

Can you upload your Vbios please?

 

Look your PMs

 

Hello all, I am new here and I read the first couple of pages, but I wanted to clarify a couple of things.

I currently own the MSI GT72 Dominator Pro 010 with the GTX 880m. I want to upgrade to the GTX 980m and I found a 980m for a decent price, but it is a Sager. from what I understand from reading the guide, the Sager is compatible.

Here are my questions...
If I update the system bios to the most current version, does that mean that I do not have to update the VBIOS so that the MSI will recognize it?

If I can't update the VBIOS, can I just use an altered driver with the correct Device ID to get it to work?

If I were to update the VBIOS, how would I go about doing that?

Thank you so much for your help, I am a newbie when it comes to laptops, but an expert on desktops. Even with my expertise, it is still daunting to think about messing with laptops...

-Floyd

 

The vbios is on the gpu board itself so when you get a new gpu you automatically get a new vbios.

 

Yes, thank you but you got my question completely wrong.

Sager 980m installed in an MSI GT72. Sager has a Sager bios. Currently installed GTX 880m has an MSI Bios.

Do I need to flash the Sager 980m with a MSI Bios?

Or once I update the MSI System bios do I no longer need to flash the Sager, will it just read the card?

If I do not have to flash the Sager with an MSI bios, am I going to have to use altered NVIDIA drivers with the Sager Device ID every time I reinstall?

If I do have to flash the Sager bios with a MSI, will I no longer need to use an altered driver when I am updating drivers?

I hop that clarifies it.

 

The answer is ... maybe.

Try it with the Sager bios. I'm running a Clevo bios in my GT60 with no problems. Just needs a modified INF to install the driver.

 

I have what I think is an MSI GT60 2PC Dominator 3K edition. I tried swapping out the 870M for a 980M (after heatsink mod, of course). But drivers won't install, even if modded, and card is not recognized properly. I then tried flashing the 980M vBIOS provided, and it went through the whole thing without error, even restarted...but no luck. The card is there, listed as Microsoft Basic Display adapter. It has the right hardware ID, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_13D7&SUBSYS_110B1462, but I cannot get the card to work. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Are you installing with a pre-existing Windows installation or have you started afresh? Was the 870M the original card with which your laptop shipped or is it an unsupported upgrade already?

 

Pre-existing. Also, 870m was original card (look at specs online).

 

Have you flashed the EC firmware to the latest version? Their are reports of some chipset Bios working with these upgrades and some that don't.

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Perhaps you may want to wait for someone more knowledgeable to come along.......but if time is of the essence....

Providing you are sure that you have correctly followed the instructions for installing the modded drivers.....then you may want to get a spare hard-drive, or make a partition on your existing hard drive. Then, with your 870M installed, do a fresh Windows installation. Put all the MSI factory drivers on in the precise order recommend by MSI (it tells you on the driver download page), and then when you are happy everything is hunky dory, then install your Clevo GTX 980M flashed with MSI vBios, and then install latest video drivers. If everything functions as it should, then you know that this is what you will have to do for your main OS installation.

The above may seem a bit irrational and long-winded (it is certainly long winded), but it is basically what I had to do to get my GTX 980M installed and working satisfactory. The most reasonable explanation that I can come up with is that the generic drivers released by intel, Nvidia etc, are not tailored to specific machines. Only the drivers provided by MSI for your machine, are tailored specifically for your machine, and perhaps your machine will not function properly without first having had these specific drivers installed at some point, and of course, only MSI provides these specific drivers and they won't install on any 'unsupported' video card, the MSI GTX 980M being amongst them.

If the above does turn out to rememdy your problem, then make damn sure you make an image of your freshly installed 100% functioning Windows installation.

 

What is your current BIOS version? Did you update it before upgrading to GTX 980M?

 

The BIOS is E16F4IMS.50V, and the vBIOS is t 84.04.22.00.0A. The vBIOS was updated; the Bios was not. The card is now being detected by GPUZ, Geforce Experience, etc, but is not functioning.

 

Update your BIOS and EC to the latest E16F4IMS.518 and 16F4EMS1.517 respectively. Your BIOS then should be able to recognise and allocate the correct registers for the 980m
It's not neccessary to update the VBIOS. Just flash back the card's factory one.

 

These are for the GT 60 2QD, right? Whats the easiest way to flash them?

 

Flashed BIOS, and GPU seems to be working: WoT at 3k and 40 fps :O
Is it necessary to flash EC?

 

I seriously need help, I can't find anywhere to order\buy a thermal pad of 11 MK (or higher) at reasonable price.

I found one offer at ebay for the right thing, but its too small so I'll have to order two, and that would be really expensive (~$60) and that's just the 1.5MM, still didn't find any 1MM of reasonable size\price and of 11MK (thermal conductivity)

Can anyone here recommend any place that sells good thermal pads? or maybe have sufficient quantity of left overs from their purchase? I don't mind buying left overs if they are sufficient for one full installation)

I figured that I need about 4.5CM * 6.0CM * 1.5MM + 4.5CM * 6CM * 1.0MM


*also looking to buy Pro-PK-3 30gram, cant find it anywhere either...

 

Any reasonable pad at 5w/mk will do the job. Getting the height down to 0.5mm all over has a larger impact.

 

Yes but acording to another poster here 1.5mm and 1mm were needed? have you seen this picture:


This was posted here by another user and thus I understood that .. this is how you should apply them? are they not of different height(blue and red region), shouldn't I use this sizes?

 

Yes replace them all with 0.5mm for best performance, it's what I used for my 1200mhz 680m runs.

 

Thanks & Hmm I am so confused as to why then the other person (whomever made that picture) used pads either twice or three times the thickness required, if you are confident that everything will touch and that there will be no gap than... sign me up! =)

Now just one issue:
Where do I buy such pads :x ? frozencpu dead, who's next?

 

Loads of people sell standard 0.5mm thermal pads. The original person was likely copying the stock arrangement which is fine but not optimal for tweakers.

 

would this work:
http://www.xoxide.com/thermal-padultra5w.html

like .. 3 of that?

 

Ok I'm being called to cause here

That's the pic I took of my GT60's heatsink during the 980m upgrade.
I used those thermal pads as they were the only ones I had lying around (can't put the previous ones no?).
As stated in my post: "I used those as the 780m heatsink copper core is not completely flat in regards to its surrounding. A slight rising of 1mm can be felt if passed over with a finger."
"I'm keeping this setup until the Fujipoly 11W/mK pads and the Phobya Nanogrease Extreme 16W/mK arrive at my doorstep "

I'm from Europe (Italy). Shipping was 13 euros from the ebay shop. I got the 1mm ones though as the 0.5mm can't be found (looked everyware like you too..)
A friend of mine ordered the 5W/mK too so we split the shipping costs. And yes it got expensive, I spent 30 euros in total...
They can be squeezed quite a bit however. I also don't plan on OCing that far as I mostly use the 980m for OpenCL stuff recently and an OC doesn't give me a substantial boost..
My concerns rely mostly on keeping the card cool
Someone would say a Quadro/FirePro would have been better but it costs a bit much for my budget. Getting the 980m was the best compromise for me.
Anyway, those Phobya 5W/mK should do you fine. They do stick very good on the card and are better to apply and cut than the 7W/mK ones.

@Raulk
If you don't see anything strange with your notebook I'd leave it this way.
If the fan behaves incorrectly, like during very high loads it stays pretty quiet, I'd update the EC too just to iron out every possibility.
I did update both and it works as intended with mine.

 

@felix3650
Thank you!

While you didn't say what thickness are the new ones that you ordered... I am guessing that as Meaker mentioned, 0.5mm would do.

My last remaining question is how much (as in cm*cm) is actually required?

Would 20CM * 1.5CM do? would I need more? is it too much? - its kind of hard to judge by the picture :X

With shipping being what it is, it would be kind of bad if I wait 3 weeks and then find out I have almost enough and one-two chips remains without the pad :S

Assuming the card is 8cm tall and 11CM wide, I figured that the marked area in your picture is:
5*1.5| 1*0.5 | 2*1 | 2*0.5
2*1 | 3*1
1.3*5.5 | 2.5*1.5 | 2*0.5


EDIT:
Found a local store that sells a 0.3mm thick thermal pad, would that fit or will it be to shallow?

 

"I'm from Europe (Italy). Shipping was 13 euros from the ebay shop. I got the 1mm ones though as the 0.5mm can't be found (looked everyware like you too..)
A friend of mine ordered the 6W/mK too so we split the shipping costs. And yes it got expensive, I spent 30 euros in total..."

This is what I wrote on the previous post

Anyway, jokes aside, with 2 strips of 120*20mm (one 1.0mm thick and the other 1.5mm) I got covered:

And what's more, I was able to do the CPU too with the remaining pieces.
The fujipoly 11W/mK thermal pads do compress quite a bit.
0.3mm I think is a bit too shallow and may leave some parts un-evenly covered.

 

Does anyone know how to fix low score in Fire Strike for GTX 980m 8gb? I got 7300
Please help me.
Is it because of the driver? or the vbios ?

Also, Can someone upload svl7 Vbios for GTX 980m 8gb?please
I can't download it because I have to post 5 posts.

Thanks in advance.

 

If the modding is done right all recent drivers should work with Vista/Win7/Win8.

 

@felix3650
Thank, alright, went for a 150*100*0.5 11MK pads and found someplace that still had PK-3 (nabbed the last one in stock...) hopefully everything will go well

Now its just the waiting game, to bad that the heatsink will only arrive at end of April

I'll be back

Thanks all <3

 

Would my gpu fare well with 6w/mk 0.5 mm Fujipoly pads for the whole thing?

 

My understanding is that, yes, it will.

From what people have said, it is my understanding that only 0.5mm is needed, bigger sizes were used due to availability or lack of availability of other thermal pads, and that there is an added advantage to using thinner pads as they preform better.

As for the 6w/mk vs higher values, 6, from what I understand, is a good baseline/standard, and jumping all the way to even 17w/mk would have minimal, if any, effect.

So you should be good.

However as I have not personally attempted on the same system to use both 0.5mm (and then remove it) and 1mm or 1.5mm, I don't actually know which works better by facts, my knowledge, as of now, is only via reading messages here and elsewhere.

 

I'm pretty sure all this thermal pad stress isn't worth it. I just stuck on the pads that came with the clevo heatsink and all seems fine.

 

Basically that.

 

Hi Guys! Well i can finally say in really really happy with my MSI Whitebook ms-1763, the only mod i was afraid to do is update the bios and EC to the retail one, well finally did it, now i can use my 980m with the slv7 vBios without modded inf drivers, so solid machine really happy with it, everything is working fine

 

Nice to see that.

Can you upload svl7 Vbios on mega?

Thanks

 

With this vBios i got better results but higher temps than slv7, i recomend this one:

https://biosmods.wordpress.com/mxm-vbios/comment-page-2/#comment-5184

 

Can you tell how much did you get in Fire strike by using slv7 Vbios?
I just want to find a Vbios gives me the same score as Prema Vbios but with lower temperature.

 

78xx with slv7 vBios, 81xx with Prema vBios

 

Thanks

 

MSI use thicker pads to ensure contact in EVERY machine. Doing it yourself you can use tighter margins.

 

I checked from website , far cry 4 ultra settings with gtx 980m , it show almost 60 fps. But when i play this game , i saw average 30 fps on ultra settings. Why my gpu is not working on 60 fps ?

 

You are the one with the machine in your hands If you want any kind of analysis on your machine you will need to provide data, temperature/usage/clocks charts from a program like MSI afterburner over a period of game play for your GPU and then intel XTU to do the same for the CPU over the same time.

 

Temprature is 86 degree without turbo fan. With fan almost 76-80 degree. But i also played 2 games , i saw same fps ( equal website fps). Justi have problem on far cry 4. I changed setting to low , it show 90 fps. It is not normal. Something can cause , but i dont know

 

hi, i have a question, I do not understand very well in English, please answer this for easier. Q: I have a laptop GT70 0ND, video card and processor GTX675m i7-3630qm (ivy bridge). official BIOS for my laptop version .50x ends and you have written that it is necessary to 51x. moreover, it is for Windows 8, and would like to W7. And anyway, if I buy a graphics card MSI GTX970m and a redesigned radiator with the latest official BIOS, released back in 2013, that if I can use this card? and that all you need to do specifically de me. Please forgive me if the answers were, I can not fully understand all pulling for themselves pieces