Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 vs Ultimate-N 6300

Now im trying to look for a 6300 I found one seller on ebay, but im a tad iffy.

Intel IBM 6300 Wifi Wireless Card 410 410S X201i x201 - eBay (item 220714905869 end time Jan-23-11 00:47:13 PST)

Plus its in Honk Kong for crying out loud. . anyone support this buy?

 

EDIT:

So, I finally got the info I needed:

Intel Wireless-N 1000:
D P/N: V830R
Price: $7.99

Intel Advanced-N 6200:
D P/N: 2GGYM
Price: $27.99

Intel Advanced-N 6250 + WiMax:
D P/N: MW04C
Price: $74.99

Intel Ultimate-N 6300:
D P/N: 4W00N
Price: $47.99

Amazon.com has the (legit) 6300 for cheap (if you add in tax and shipping charges to the Dell prices):

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Ultimate-633ANHMW-802-11n-Adapter/dp/B0038A9HSK

Do you guys have any recommendations?

Thanks!
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I just got a Dell L501X and I wanted to upgrade my wireless card; Dell Tech was having problems locating the specific part number and I was wondering if anyone could shed some light; I need Dell Part Numbers for:

Intel Advanced-N 6200

Intel Advanced-N 6250 + WiMax

Intel Ultimate-N 6300

As I am debating between the three, price will be the main factor unless someone has a strong opinion on one.

Thanks!

 

hello how is everyone just trying to figure out if my laptop will be plug in with the high speed time Warner cable internet dose it matter what card i have ??? dose faster bandwidth mean faster surfing the net ??? if i due use a router ??? is these a good router ?? TRENDnet TEW-691GR 450Mbps Wireless N Gigabit Router ( sorry if these are dumb question , not that smart when it comes to these stuff-- sorry)

 

Your internet speeds are based on your ISP (Time Warner) but if your router is slower than your ISP then obviously that's as fast as you can go. If you get a 30Mbps package or more then might as well get a 802.11N router to take advantage of the speeds.

As for the card, well any of the ones mentioned here will be good enough. The Intel 5100 and Higher (including the 1000) would be more than enough to handle your ISP as long as you have a capable router.

 

what if my timerwarner package is only a 7mps package ... what if I 'm not directly hooked to the cable and I'm going wireless then dose the card make a differences and router ???

 

There would be 3 links in your network, and your speed would be dependent on the slowest one of those 3; the ISP, the router, and the card in your notebook. With a 7 Mbps package, pretty much any modern router and card will run faster than your ISP, and thus the limit on your speed is your ISP.

 

fudge... going full circle to OP's question, did anyone ever find out the power consumption between the 6300 and 6200? The 3rd antenna on the 6300 I like, but not if the battery suffers more... maybe due to the extra antenna?

Plan to pick up two of either and a mini PCIe to PCIe adapter from fleabay such as http://cgi.ebay.com/mini-PCI-E-PCI-...58?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b9dcf63a; one in the desktop, one in the laptop as standard PCIe cards for desktop for the most part, suck and they are overpriced. I have an Asus PCE N13 I'm about to return. I'm hoping these two (and the 5ghz) network will allow for more fluid transfers between desktop and laptop on LAN.

 

Before buying the mpcie adapter with 3x antenna, you need to check if they can operate between 2.4 and 5.8 Ghz.

Cause buying analog stuff in small amounts are pretty expensive, if they don't.

This is what I used ... of course you can find it on ebay for much cheaper

MP2W (Mini PCI-E to PCI-E adapter ver 2.13a)

You could use this ... this didn't exist when i purchased.
MP2H (mPCIe to PCIe adapter ver 2.2)

 

Thanks Falco, that's exactly the kind of info i was looking for. I guess it's folly to thing any 3 antenna apparatus (or 2 antenna if the intel 6200) would support both frequencies, but honestly, I thought of it as more of a relay, and that the that's entirely to do w/ the mini PCIe itself...

So you are saying the design of the converter, specifically one of the antennas must explicitly support 5/5.8 ghz frequency? I didn't think this was dependent upon a type of antenna, rather that any antenna would do so long as it was connected to 5.8 band on mini PCIe card

I came across the MP2W yesterday, but was hoping for something cheaper to get the same job done. The ones in my price range are ~$12-15.

 

The antenna has to support the frequency range where 2.4+ Ghz and 5.0+ ghz of 802.11 abgn standard operate in, then these are directly connected to the dual band wifi card.

The seller don't really advertise because they assume that the buyer is uninformed but they can mostly get away since they are most likely use the 2.4 Ghz spectrum so they never noticed.

The buyer only cares if it works or not, not the technical reason.
When they do care for the technical reason, I would call it 'buyer's remorse'

 

Yes, classic shuck and jive. I wouldn't even purchase an adapter were it not for the fact that many existing solutions (whether USB or full size PCI Express either suck, are cost prohibitive, or both). The best seem to be these two babies! Anyway, thanks for heads up. I asked a couple of sellers and will be buying 2 6300 or 6200s shortly.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's just the antenna portion right? Looking at teh MP2H, there are different configurations: one sells w/ 3 paddle antennas that do both frequencies, and the 6200 version just 2.4 ghz ANT2400Q2P which seems queer since the 6200 also does both bands. Neverthless (and going back to question, I could buy any adapter and just get the right antenna no? Speaking of which, alibaba has the rubber duck dual band antennas for a dollar ea.

Any idea on the battery consumption on these; one is going into a ULV lappy.

 

Yes, all you need to worry about the antenna that meet your specification with the correct form factor of the connection jack on the bracket for the adapter.

 

Sweet. I reached out on Alibaba as I'm only interested in the MP2H only pkg, and it doesn't appear to come w/ antennas.

The person I inquired with on Alibaba claims to be the "master distributor" for Ubiquiti's network product. Lanbowan Communications Ltd..

The nicer paddle antennas sell (at least in bulk) for $1. They offered me $25 inc. S&H for 'my test'. That doesn't sound cheap at all compared to their site; who else sells it and how much?

At the very least, I plan to up-sell the 'test' notion a bit... maybe I can achieve a discount on the shipping to make it worthwhile w/ some word play.
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They are not budging on the ridiculous shipping fee. Anybody know where to find some good, but cheap dual band antennas?

MP2H base simply doesn't come with it, and linking to a dual band antenna product simply takes one to a spec page... wth.

MP2H ( mPCIe to PCIe adapter ver 2.2 )

 

Hey guys, just bought a 6200 and it seems that it is running slower than the atheros card I changed it for. Before, I would get 144Mbps at home and 54Mbps and now, the Intel card fluctuates (a lot) and only goes to a max 130Mbps and 48Mbps. I understand this doesn't mean much, but also using speed test I get lower d/l then before I changed the card. Are there any settings I'm missing or something like that? Installed PROSet 14 as drivers. Any help is appreciated. Rest of the specs for my laptop are in my sig.

 

well, i just realized what a crock the mp2h is, s&h is more than the unit itself! therefore, might just aim for the mp2h off eBay... what is the difference between it and mp2w, if any... Falco?

Edit: eBay s&h prices on the mp32 are also similarly ridiculous.

Since neither 'base' pkg comes w/ antenna. Regarding your previous point on advetisement of dual band on these cards... isn't the point moot?

I mean to say, the base mp2h/mp2w, by virtue of not inc. any antennas, also does not support dual band or 5ghz. If I were to buy what I consider a much more reasonably priced adapter ($12 or so + minimal shipping) and add dual band antennas, isn't this achieving the same thing?

Thanks in advance!

 

case in point: Mini PCI-E to PCI-E Wireless Adapter w/ 3 Antenna WiFi | eBay

Seems it would support the 6300. and if i wanted to add dual band, I could just buy the paddle dual band antennas, yes?

Seem way more reasonable at ~$7 (after s&h), then $30-$45 for something that probably cost cents to manufacture. unless i'm missing something in your explanation? Also, do you know if the 6200/6300 is 3.3V?

 

Hey flipfire,

same situation with this one I believe:

Mini PCI-E to PCI-E Wireless Adapter w/ 3 Antenna WiFi | eBay

And this would mitigate this yes?
Mini PCI-E half-height to full-height Frame relay new | eBay

OR...

could one not just double stick tape it?


You know... looking more at the link of adapter to which you initially responded... why does it matter if the card has the proper metal relay bracket? I mean, it slides into the connector on the end right? as light as these cards are, that should make a secure enough connection, right? Though OPs is twice as much as the one I'm looking at, and the pics on mine seem unclear on the end there, it should be similar. Then, just grab a 5ghz antenna somewhere, maybe Frys has 'em.

 

Not much difference between the mp2w and mp2h. It just mp2h is smaller than the mp2w. However mp2h, can only fit half height mini cards while mp2w can fit full height and half height mini cards.

The card adapter are inexpensive but the antenna's are not. Like I posted before analog radio parts are not cheap in small quantities. If you buy like 1000's of them, they are like a buck each, but just 3, they go like 10-15 bucks each (typical price for quality 2.4~5.8Ghz in the USA).

As for the total price;
Just think of these are long term investments, these adapters are good and reusable until they radically change the current standards. Laptop's wireless cards are much cheaper, better supported, and better hardware than their desktop counterparts.

 

So you would concur or... does it make more sense to buy cheaper adapter on eBay then buy 5ghz antenna separately (I found a bunch of US outlets online, and will also try Frys on that one)?

I'm all about spending more if their is a difference in the product that warrants the additional cost, but insofar as I can tell, the mp2h and mp2w are the same product selling for $7 on eBay. I can... simply buy the product mentioned (1st link, my last post) and add 5ghz antennas yes? Do you seen any reason why this would not work? The base mp2h and mp2w don't even include antennas so they seem rather pointless over their cheaper, but similarly Chinese counterparts.

 

mp2h and mp2w are just card adapters, are Chinese products, and a suggestion by me .

Anyways as I said before, you can buy any mpcie to pcie adapter and stick some 2.4~5.8 antennas for dual band action. Good luck.

 

thanks mang! i didn't realize you said any mpcie to pcie would work, just the cursory note on antennas (much thanks), but in retrospect it makes sense why noone would advertise it on fleabay, since nobody is really bundling 5ghz antennas anyway (w/o charging an arm and a leg at least). I found some here in CONUS for $10. What do you think of the 1/2 height to full height adapter... optional w/ some ingenuity?

I am buying adapter now, and returning ASUS PCE-N13 tomorrow. Using an Airline 101 USB N Mini Adapter (300Mbps) that I scored for $10 in the meantime, which actually performs surprisingly good, as far as USB adapters go.

Think I will pass on the 6300 in favor of the 6200 as my WNDR3700 doesn't support the extra speed nor would any other device on my network even if it did; seems folly to chuck the extra $10 away on an unlikely series of what-ifs.

 

found this very excellent deal (finally) on a 5.8ghz antenna:
New Dual Band 2.4/5.8Ghz 6dBi RP-SMA High Gain Antenna | eBay

can you tell me real quick; is it just 1 that i need or do both antennas (in a 6200 configuration) need to be 5.8ghz compatible?

c'mon mang! i'd pm you, but this thread hasn't been on topic since page 1 1/4 so no sense railing that train now!

1 ante-ner copasetic? 2?3? I just want functioning 5ghz, but if >1 improves it, I'd also be interested in that.

Hard to find this info online. TYTYTY!

 

I didn't get a pm ...
You need 2 for the 6200

 

Three antenna can provide better reception. But in a laptop is hard to get good signal diversity because the antennas are very close to each other.
Transmission is a different story. Three antennas make more noise. The interference can create problems to other connected users, specially if they have older wi-fi hardware.

If money is a problem, I would stick with a 6200 and invest in a dual-band router.
The 5 GHz band is much better for speed as it has 12 non-overlapping separated by 40 MHz channels. The 2.4 GHz hand has only two of these channels. The range through walls is better in 2.4GHz band. The 450 Mbps can be achieved only with 3 wide channels.

Wireless Networking — What is channel bonding?

 

Things I've learned in this endeavor:

1. '5ghz' antennas are not necessary. I am still able to get 'antenna' signal w/ I can only assume are standard 2.4ghz antennas that came w/ the ~$7 Mini PCI-E to PCI-E Wireless Adapter w/ 3 Antennai I purchased from eBay.

2. Incidentally, this product works great, and does not require a relay bracket for as there are screw holes in the PCB at both half height mark and full height. That being said, after finding a screw that would fit the half height slot, I realized that I had no matching nut so just decided to to use a tiny piece of double adhesive along the bottom which seems to work great, and put the cheapish aluminum casing/shell it came w/ back on for safe measure.

3. Using the supposed dual band, large, 2.4/5.8Ghz 6dBi RP-SMA High Gain Antennas' I purchased from eBay for $5 each seems a rip off in hind sight since I see them not there as as a set for $7 but also because signal is only marginally improved. My 6200 likes to stay around 108Mbps and occasionally hops to 121Mbps on Ch 36. Note that I've tried 36-161 and 36-48 seem to give my the best consistency.

4.The antenna in my itty bitty Acer 1410 (i.e. supposed hard to get good signal) are exceptional, because with my 2nd 6200 hooked up, there's not a spot in my place that gets short of Excellent Signal (full bars) w/ 300Mbps posted speed.

So... the quest continues for a better antenna. I see the dlink DAP-2590 comes w/ the paddle variants I'm after, but just cannot find these antennas for a reasonable price online. In fact, they are hard to find at all (less the aforementioned Chinese vendor). Though, w/ the performance (or lack thereof) of these current 2 brutish sized antennas screwed in now, I'm very skeptical at any antenna.

Are any of you using the paddle style and can you speak toward paddle design and perhaps inherent better signal/transmission speeds?

I suppose it's possible the adapter could be causing the signal loss, though that doesn't seem likely does it? Maybe I'll try removing the aluminum covering the card itself, though it was such a pain to get slotted into my PCIe 1x port (for some strange reason) and it just seems unlikely.

Anyway, it's nice to finally use the 5ghz net on my WNDR3700.

 

Unfortunately the first thing you learned isn't consistently true. This depends on the material that made it.
But a good observation.

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Since analog signals cannot achieve perfect cutoff but we can get pretty close.

The closer, we get a much cleaner and easier to identify signal in a sense. Better efficiency in throughput but at the cost of higher price.

Decent antennas are expensive. when purchasing in small quantities.


Just too bad the desktop counterparts card doesn't reflect the price for that reason. The other reason is the amount they plan to sell cards which is less than few hundred thousands.

 

I tried another cheapie antenna that came w/ a single band G wlan nic, still gets adequate signal albeit not the best. Seems pretty consistent to me in terms of antennas that support the higher freq range!

Anyway, I took the unit back out and fought to get it back in (tight fit, and very difficult to align in the metal bracketed slot adjacent to the backplane. I now get excellent to very good coverage but still nothing higher than 150Mbps. I decided to switch one of the 3 antenna wires, and the the SMA input on this one is missing the gold pin on the center (the center of the piece that you screw the antenna into)... wonder if that's not connecting and thus the issue. Probably not an issue because ironically, I'm still doing better now than before w/ the two solid connectors that were right next to each other. Edit: Confirmed not as disconnecting one or the other has creates serious degradation of link. Also, the only way I can achieve 135-150Mbps are if the two antennas are touching (or near touching). I may attempt to get some of those D-Link DAP-2590 paddles to further test.

Then, you have a laptop which gets exceptional signal w/ a supposed inferior antenna subject to higher chance of interference.

Ahhhh... wireless: two parts science, one part artistry and mysticism. :/

BTW, what speeds do you get w/ the paddles?

 

Did you set channel width to 40MHz?

 

On my 6300s mp2w, link rates: 450 on clear line of sight .
270 behind 4 walls.

 

Ditched the chinese antennas I picked up (what a waste of $10) and tried a pair of rubber ducks that came w/ cisco pci dual band adapter, assuming they must support higher freqencies.

in 6200 for channel width, I have 20mhz and auto. I flipped to auto. Wireless mode is 802.11a. 802.11n is flipped on. I had Ad Hoc WMM on before but now off; CTS-to-Self, etc.

Now (with these antennas) I get a constant 150Mbps, a marked improvement over the other antennas; signal shows 'very good'. Still can't go beyond 150Mbps. I wonder what the limiting factor is... could it possibly be the adapter? the PCIex1 bus?

Strange that the laptop required no adjustment and is golden at 300Mbps.

 

WMM should be on.
It can't be PCI-ex as it's fast enough. It's always the settings.

 

checked, rechecked, and triple checked. tried different 6200 thinking it was 1 of 2 cards. same thing only speeds are back down to 120mbps on ch. 36. Maybe it's the adapter. but it's tiresome at this point. my only guess left is the adapter pins are the limiting factor. posted a pic of the adapter below. perhaps i will purchase from the posted website... but their price on s&h is just asinine. Is it possible this is what's limiting me? It would suck if I ordered the mp2w and same story.

 

Ad hoc WMM is pretty useless if not using Ad hoc mode, which i seriously hope he not using it.

My settings is similar to yours but i didnt mess with ad hoc but my wireless mode is 6.

Try switching channel ie 153+149, i dunno that helps.

 

Yes- you're right. I've omitted this part somehow- WMM has to be on (on a router) but ad-hoc WMM is not the same thing and shouldn't make any difference whatsoever.

 

what do you mean 153+149? There are 8 individual channels to pick from (according to the wndr3700. They are: 36,40,44,48,149,153,157,161. I have tried them all. However, we know this can't be a router issue if my laptop connects at 300Mbps. It can only be (afaict), the antennas (less likely at this point), or this passive adapter.

Just finished watching Inception again; maybe I am in my own computer limbo, but I may never know!

 

Hi All,
I have HP laptop dv6t with Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 1000. I need to update wifi card. Can somebody tell me then
Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 6300 is fit into this laptop.
Thx

 

It will fit- you need to check if your current card and slot are full height or half height though.
Another thing- if you don't have a third antenna and a 450mbps router there's no point in buying 6300 as it will work like 6200 would (2 antennas and up to 300mbps)

 

I recently replaced the Broadcom card in my laptop with a 6200. The Intel card is much better! Signal strength is stronger throughout my old flat with really thick brick walls. I can even get a signal in my flatmates room, where he can't. Might have to get him to buy one and an adapter card to put in his desktop so we can get rid of the wire down the hall.

A good buy and I'd recommend everyone get one, as they are pretty cheap.

 

Dose anyone know anything about the 6205? is it better than 6200?

 

I've checked that a while ago. 6205 is more of a newer revision than anything else- some minor changes- at least from what I've seen in Wi-Fi alliance certification papers.
Still if you have a choice and both are similarly priced go for 6205.

 

I'm waiting for my adepter to come in and will try the 6205 for my desktop the 6300 seems expensive to me if you also add the 3rd antenna. Did anyone find good antennas anywhere at a reasonable price? There is an expensive Dlink router with rubber ducks anyone try the dlink ones?

 

hi guys, is it just me or is the download centre for intel down?
I spent all night upgrading and reformating my laptop and when i get to work guess what, i forget to install the drivers for my 6200 which means i have to use a WYSE workstation instead ARRGH! (and no, i am not able to hardwire in to the network her

Anyways its a long shot here, but does anyone know of a trusted website to download the intel drivers from? ( or nice enough to upload for me?)

+rep to any who help me get back to work (well....enjoyable work that is

thanks in advance!

never mind, i got intel tech support to send me the file link directly

 

Can somebody please take a look at my link and tell if it is a genuine 6300 or not Intel 633ANHMW Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 half WiFi | eBay ? It is noticeably cheaper than other 6300's from Germany.

 

Identical to the one in my sager laptop right now, yet it is not working anymore. Laptop cant find it, reinstalled drivers, nothing...

 

So which is the best Intel wireless card nowadays?

 

Depending on what router do you have or plan to buy either a 6200 for 300mbps connection or 6300 for 450mbps wireless connection.

You would see no benefits of 6300 when using it with a two stream (300mbps) router.

 

But it was working? For how long?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Dell-WLAN-In...MCIA_Cards&hash=item45fded6f4f#ht_1479wt_1270
Here's also an 6205 model, but it says that card is compatible only with Dell E and M-series laptops. Why? These cards look identical to other photos of 6205 on the internet.

 

Well, I use a WRT610N dual-band router and I think the 6300 is more appropriate for me then? Also, is there a 6305 model that serves a counterpart for the 6205?

 

You're using a dual band router but a two stream router- these are two different things.
Each stream is 150mbps. Two stream router is capable of 300mbps (like Intel 6200 is) and three stream router is capable of 450mbps (like Intel 6300 is).

Your router is capable of 300mbps on both 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands at the same time but your notebook can connect to only one band at a time- so you'll be always working with two streams wither on 2.4 or on 5GHz.

So 6300 is no better than 6200 from your point of view.

 

What router is a non-two stream router (capable of 450Mbps)?