Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 (Cyclone Peak 2)/AX201 (Harrison Peak 2)/Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650

1.2 Gbps is HT80 AX max link rate.

HT160 simply means it uses double the channels. It could just be that it’s adjusting link rates based on signal like normal. So it may jump to 1.8/2.1/2.4 Gbps depending on signal quality.

Additionally HT160 on Lower channels (5G-1) you can use a combination of non-DFS (36-48) and DFS (52 and above) channels meaning if a DFS detection event or even a false detection occurs it will drop you to HT80 without issue.

Problem using HT160 on upper channels (5G-2) is that you are stuck with only DFS channels for HT160 so if a similar event occurs the router might drop all clients rather than shift you to the non-DFS channels which are (149-167). Plus also know that regulations say that at least once a day for 60 seconds the router when using DFS channels, should scan for priority use (ie Radar), which can result in dropped connections.

If you really need HT160 keep it enabled only for 1st 5Ghz radio would be my suggestion.

Overall stability and range, latency will usually be better on HT80 as there is less chances of interfering with nearby APs/Routers.

HT160 has been pretty stable (RAX120 & RAX80) for me but I do get the occasional drops due to DFS detection (not sure false or real). Only my laptop drops as it is in HT160, the HT80 clients stay connected.


TLDR- Keep HT160 enabled but if you notice connection drops, the above reason is probably why and so you may be better of disabling it in that scenario.

I attached a channel combination chart below if you are interested.

 

Ultra Male Good Luck with the new Asus AX11000 router.I was about to buy one myself from Newegg before I opted into the Netgear Premier program for a 1 year lease on an RAX120 with update option.Still wondering if I made the right choice.I've never owned an Asus router.

 

Loving it so far. And man, the UI for the Router is the best I've seen in any router. I mean the ASUS UI has always been the easiest to deal with but this one is modernized and looks awesome.

Other than that, the connection has been super fast with no latency and no disconnections and that's with the Trend Micro Antivirus that's built into the router turned on.

Plus, it comes with a 3 year warranty from ASUS.

 

Today I upgraded my Laptop Asus N580VD to Intel AX200. And I can say that it works perfectly.

 

Upgraded my gf's 8 yr old Dell Vostro 3350 with the Intel AX200. She started off with an Intel 1130, which I upgraded to the latest available mini PCIE card Intel 7260 and now to the AX 200.

Had to order a mini PCIE to M.2 adapter, in combination with two adapter cables to make the antennas fit onto the m.2 antenna connectors. Also had to work the chassis a bit, since the m.2 adapter is a bit longer than the mini PCIE variant.

In the end though, it was all worth it: Available bandwidth in our home office more than doubled for her and she was amazed at how fast websites were loading now compared to before

Socketable hardware is nice, isnt it? The likes of the new alienware machines will never know the good feeling of being able to upgrade the wifi adapter!

 

@jaybee83, can't help but notice your signature; you're in Singapore now?

 

been here (and south east asia) for almost two years now

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Nice! We should meet someday.

 

Glorious!

I'll be back with follow up questions on the router in a few weeks.

 

Sure bro, this is one of the most stable routers I've ever had. It's a set it and forget it router!

 

So, what happened to your Netgear AX router?
Isn't 99% of the routers set and forget mechanism?
I usually hear my family members asking for the password (along with some sour words) every time I setup new routers or simply reinstall firmware w/ factory default settings optimised for best performance and zero security. Haha...

 

Killer Wi-Fi 6 AX1650 Review: Ultra Fast, Affordable Next-Gen Wi-Fi Hothardware.com | Oct 01, 20119

 

Decent review. My only gripes are that the reviewer thinks the A7000 should be faster just because its "external", I don't think they realize most laptop's antennas are on either side of the laptop display or in an antenna bar right under the display bezel or both, and aren't tiny by any means compared to the relatively flimsy looking adapter where both antennas so close to each other. Also the entire multi tasking with streaming, downloads and gaming at the same time seems a bit of edge case scenario, that's usually Killer's justification for the usefulness of the QoS suite, though it ironically causes more bandwidth and other issues at various times in "regular" use. Also they could have just tested transfers to USB storage rather than two lan ports to bypass the ethernet limit with two iperf instances. The RAX80 can hit over 140-150 MB/s on USB storage.

 

My HP zBook 15u G6 came with Intel AC-9560.
Logical upgrade should be AX201 card, with CNVio2 interface, but HP website lists AX200 as other WiFi choice.
Not sure which one I should get.
AX200 or AX201?

 

hm, thats a good question. maybe check and see in your machine's owner's lounge here on NBR, if anybody else has tried this upgrade?

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I've seen posts on the web that state an upgrade from a 9560 to an AX200 or Killer AX1650 is a drop in upgrade.
I have an MSI GS75 that came with a 9560 as do most new MSI models that refused to recognize an AX200 or Killer AX1650 no matter what I did even with bios changes.
Killer support was no help.
MSI was no help.
On the resellers sites I do see that they offer an AX upgrade from the stock 9560 but I did not solve the upgrade issue.
My son uses the MSI GS75 up at Texas Tech so I don't have it here to try suggestions.
The AX201 is probably the easiest upgrade path from a 9560.
The notebook makers put in the 9560 as stock to save $$$$ and be able to advertize a lower starting price to keep up with the competition.

 

@WhatsThePoint @somebodyelse @jaybee83 First I would like to Thank you all for your messages, and second we would like to apologize if you felt we were no help to you via our support channel ( @WhatsThePoint ) . Pending on the device you have the Intel 9560NGW (Killer AC1550i if its a Killer model) are the same Module. They are part of the CNVi Technology that Intel has with certain OEM in this case MSI/HP. To replace this technology you normally have to replace it with another Wireless Module that has CNVi technology. There are some cases pending on the OEM where the Killer AX1650 (Intel AX200NGW) will work replacing a CNVi Module. In the case that it does not work then you will need to replace it with the AX201NGW (CNVi version of the AX200) to replace your AC9560NGW. I hope this helped you, and if you have further questions I would be more than happy to help. If you or anyone else reading this are having any issues with your Killer Networking Adapter, we'd like to help! You can reach out to us directly here.

To expedite the ticket process please provide a Diagnostic along with your ticket if possible. You can download it here.

Once you have the application downloaded, please run the application, click Start at the bottom left and then, once it is finished, click Save to save the output file, and attach the output file to your reply. Please do not copy and paste the results into your reply email. Please attatch the output .TXT file to your reply, instead.

Thank you again for your time, and I hope this helps - Nicholas with Killer Networking

Also, any users reading this if you are having problems, see the Killer KB!

 

Thank you Nickolas with Killer Networking for your insight into the wireless card upgrade.

The reason I'm a bit skeptical is because I see on resellers sites that do notebook customizing of models that ship with the 9560 as the stock wireless card offer an upgrade to a Killer 1550(Intel9290) and in some notebooks an upgrade from the 9560 to an AX200/Killer AX1650

Below is a linked example of the model I have but purchased elsewhere that shows the available upgrade..

https://www.gentechpc.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MSI-GS75-Stealth-479B

 

The AX201 and the Killer AX1650i offload some wifi and Bluetooth components to the CPU/PCH. The Intel 9560 and Killer 1550i do likewise. In both cases, these cards require the PCH include these offloaded components. For example, 9th generation Intel platforms have the necessary features for AC wifi but lack the Wifi 6 / AX components. Thus, the use of an AX201 and AX1650i will not work on a previous generation platform and require the built-in features of an Ice Lake or Comet Lake platform.

If you see the AX200 card as an available upgrade for a laptop that originally shipped with an Intel 9560 card, it may mean your machine will support the AX200, but it may also mean there was a hardware revision to the M.2 port. This is unlikely, but possible. Regardless, it's usually easy to check your machine's compatibility. Use HWinfo to investigate your M.2 slot currently populated by the 9560. It needs to support PCIe + USB for an AX200 to function (PCIe for the wifi 6 and USB for Bluetooth...USB should be there regardless because the 9560 similarly uses USB for Bluetooth.)

Either way, 9th generation Intel and older platforms should definitely buy an AX200 (or the equivalent Killer AX1650x) when upgrading and NOT the AX201. For those currently on a 9560, the trade-off is that the 9560 uses the integrated networking of your CPU / PCH and the AX200 will use a PCIe lane off the PCH. For those on a 9260, the AX200 is a no compromise upgrade.

 

Can you recommend the PICe to M.2 adapter and adapter cables?
I have a Sager NP5160 I would like to upgrade to AX200.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/M-2-NGFF-WIFI-WLAN-Card-Module-to-Mini-PCI-E-Express-Adapter-Converter-Antenna/282556857999?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

I use this one for my Ranger.

 

Thanx. I noticed in the link it has a 7260 card on the adapter. Just want to make sure it will work as I have a 7260 in there now, and want to adapt a M2 into my laptop

 

You'll notice in my signature I am running the AX1650, the Killer variant of the AX200. Literally the same card and same drivers work for it.

 

sure thing, both the adapter and the antenna cables worked well and havent given us any issues so far

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I'm using 9260 and my card is acting like the walking dead situation so should i go for 9260 or ax 200 or ax 201

 

Seeing that you are using a Intel 9260 Module, I would recommend the AX200. Reason being the AX201 is one of the CNVi cards and pending on your OEM of your device the CNVi modules may not be compatible with your device. The Killer AX1650 (Intel AX200NGW) would be the best option, but ultimately its up to you as to what you want to use. We also have the Killer AC1550 (Intel 9260NGW) as well both being available on Amazon. If you have any further questions I would be more than happy to help.

 

Has anyone here ever gotten Killer Networking's "Gamefast" feature to work?
Every time I tied turning it on, it would brick my system's startup wherein I couldn't even type in my PIN on logon.

 

This is definitely not normal, we all use this at the office, and at home and have not see this type of issue. Are you leaving it on after turning it on manually? Or are you using the feature to turn on when it detects a game? If you could please submit a ticket to us so we can assist you with this matter. Again, If you are experiencing issues with your Killer Networking adapter, we'd like to help! You can reach out to us directly here - https://support.killernetworking.com/submit-a-ticket/

Thank you again for your time - Nicholas with Killer Networking

Also, if you are having problems, see the Killer KB!

 

Yes, and when its' in effect, the service that had been paused does not recover.

 

Ahh I see, can you please confirm if you know which service is causing the issue, and what game / games you are playing that is causing the issue? I would love to help resolve this issue for your. You can also create a ticket with the link I provided in my last post as well. Either way we can help you get this resolved! You can reach out to us directly here - https://support.killernetworking.com/submit-a-ticket/

 

Hmm, I could if I installed the service.
Last time this mess happened, I had to reset Windows 10 to use my laptop again.
Not sure if I want to go through the same trauma again.

Off my head, the services that could not recover were mostly Windows Input service, Windows update and Windows Local Profile assistant service (which prevented logons).

For games I play: Battlefield 1, Battlefield V, Devil May Cry 5, Sekiro. A list off my head.

 

Thank you again for that feedback and I will notate that for future use if needed. I dont want you to go through a headache again, but generally if you do see issues we ask that you submit a ticket with us so we can help resolve it and move forward so we can assist other users that may run into this issue. We have not had any issues with users reporting those particular games but it is very likely that one of the services you mentioned could have been the issue. All great games btw!

Again if you run into any further issues please let us know so we can assist, and if you wish to try again, I would start by unchecking each of those services from the list and verify where your issue may have been. Thank you again for your time and patience! - Nicholas with Killer Networking.

 

Case in point: I have an Asus GM501GS-XS74 which came with an Intel 9560 WLAN card.
This, based on:

Implies that an upgrade to the aforementioned AX201NGW module would most likely be a brick on that laptop.
I'm seeing some spotty reviews on Amazon mentioning a very different tale of incompatibility with anything older than the 10th gen platforms.

Time to hunt down for an AX200, lets' see how that upgrade goes.

 

@WhatsThePoint @custom90gt


Will the Intel® Wi-Fi 6 AX201 work on my Dell XPS 15 7590 or do I need to purchase the AX200?

I want to replace the Killer card with the Intel one

 

AX201 should work as the CPU has the WiFi chipset built in. However some laptop brands seem to have some sort of bios issue preventing cNVi card use. AX200 is a safe bet.

 

Reply from HIDevolution when I asked them this question after seeing your reply:

 

Just put an AX200 in my new Asus laptop, replacing an awful Broadcom 1x1 unit. While the stock adapter could work at my full ISP speed, the Intel delivers more consistent performance when connected to my network. So far, it's proving to be a great upgrade for just $22.

 

I also replaced mine form aliexpress @14.07


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I put this card in my desktop machine, the AX200 that is. I had the killer AC1535 in there because it gave me better range and throughput compared to the Intel AC9260 that was built into my motherboard. Had to disable the Killer Suite to get proper performance from the killer card. I'm on a 500mbit line with a wall between my desktop and router and was getting ~200mbit with the killer 1535, now I'm getting 280~300mbit with the AX200 and overall much more stable performance. I used to have to use a VPN to play Escape from Tarkov because the connection stability with the killer 1535 and intel 9260 was so bad it would give me an error upon start-up which has now completely disappeared with the AX200.

 

I just replaced my 3 antenna DW1830 with a new AX200, however since installing the card I've noticed sometimes when I'm in the same room as the router my notebook WiFi signal will drop a bar. This never used to happen with my DW1830 so it seems as though the range on the AX200 is worse? I'm using an ASUS AC68U router on 5GHz. Anyone know why this might be?

 

Used to get 3-4 bars and 40-80Mb/s on the Qualcomm N adapter on my Haswell i3 laptop.

With the AX200 it connects at 866Mb/s(maximum my Netgear R7000 can support with AC) floor down and 20 feet away from the router.

 

Why only 866Mbps? The R7000 is rated to 1300Mbps on 5Ghz. Is that because the AX200 is only 2-stream?

 

Even when I was near the router Intel cards show 3 bars instead of 4 full bars. In qualcomm based WLAN, even though you were away from router connection speed and signal quality seemed way better than intel cards.

 

@Vasudev to clarify, you tested with iperf3 / large file copy / some other representative scenario?

I never tried QCA before because their m.2 WLAN cards are typically late to the new wireless standards party, compared to Intel. AX200 still remains the one and only client 802.11ax m.2 card (although there are some router-grade 4x4 minipcie 802.11ax cards, from MTK & QCA). I will be interested to give QCA a try once they appear if their previous cards were indeed better than Intel.

 

I have not bought Ax200.
I did test 3160/3165, 7260/7265 intel cards which performed poorly when they were near Qcomm based ancient chip 9260 or something with 1x1 No MIMO and Killer 1535 on my Alienware.
Usually as test measure, I have all PCs, phones connected to same Wifi and try to use them simultaneously and Intel really lagged a lot due to aggressive interference both on 2.4GHz N band 300Mbps on channel 11 and 5GHz 866Mbps on Channel 161