Just upgraded to an Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265

I'd go with the newer ones.

BT is the Bluetooth Driver, install it.

Intel Wireless 8265 - WLAN Driver only - I have only just realised the time (2.10 am!), will update with the separate Bluetooth installer later today once I have slept. Remember to right click and choose update drivers in device manager. This might be slow as it is on my dropbox.... again will move if lots of peeople want it or @Phoenix doesn't come back.

 

Intel WLAN Driver v19.70.0 / BT v19.71.0

To get future driver updates, keep an eye on this thread, I update them there and delete the old ones:
MSI GT73VR 7RF TITAN PRO Drivers

 

The drivers are also always available here without Proset, if you choose:

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/do...reless-Software-and-Drivers-for-IT-Admins?v=t

 

Thank you!

It's better now, 2-4ms ping normally, some spikes to 10-14ms, and very occasional spikes to 100-140ms. Much better than before. I might buy another 8265 or even 8260 and see if those play nicer with this laptop.

Didn't know that, thanks!

 

Can someone make a long story short for me.... Should I go with Killer or Intel?

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If you'll regularly use the Bluetooth, Killer. If not, Intel.

 

Oh wow. I would have thought Intel had the better Bluetooth. Is the Killer Bluetooth that much better?

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He had problems with the Intel bluetooth. Yesterday was my first ever day ever even SEEING bluetooth or using it in my life (I got an Xbox One wireless controller to replace my broken wire Xbox 360 controller). I haven't done much testing with bluetooth on it, because the Intel 8265AC is in my laptop, and I'm using my desktop right now, so i'm using wired mode, but the next time I go out to game, I'll do some more testing with the 8265 bluetooth.

 

My experience with Intel.

 

Have you tried APT driver for bluetooth? W10 based BT drivers rarely worked on Killer/Intel alike, I often used W7 driver to get BT working all the time.

 

Killer has its own Bluetooth driver package, and it works just fine. Further, their WiFi/LAN drivers as a whole have improved by leaps and bounds over the last 6 months or so. There is zero reason for me to try Intel again any time in the foreseeable future.

 

Yeah the driver w/ Killer PHY and DLL layers has improved and stable than Killer Network Manager. On Windows Killer bests Intel w/ Extreme Range, on Linux not so much because Intel is superior. I just fixed it on Linux by disabling Power saver and changed from Channel 1 to 11 in router. So extreme range is working on Killer cards w/ extremely tweaked router config.
All thanks to @judal57 who supplied me the beta for testing and we were testing it and we simply sent a diagnostic report to @Killer_Networking rep and next week they literally made Killer Control Center a public release.

 

Well the 8265 is doing a sterling job in my new MSI GE62VR 7RF Apache pro (mouthful!) - was the first "upgrade" I did as it came with the 3168...

Shortly followed by an SM961NVME M2 SSD

Now I am de-bloating the thing... lol, it makes a difference. I thought Gigabyte were bad for it but MSI seem to weigh their machines down even more.

 

I've been planning on eventually upgrading to the 8260 but now I'm definitely aiming for a 8265. Does anyone know if the china sellers are reliable on Ebay? I know shipping will take a while but $15 savings is $15 savings haha.

 

I'd be worrying about fakes from China. You pays your money and takes your chance

 

I just noticed today that Phoenix actually ordered from the guy I was planning on ordering from so I placed a order. If anything I bet these $30 listings are just resellers making a $15 profit

 

i just changed from killer to the 8265 as an experiment and my speeds seem to have dam near doubled.

 

Which router are you using ?

 

Tp Link Archer 5400

 

So your speeds are around 1 Gb/s?

 

We have spectrum, our line speed is supposed to 60mb, i would normally run around 70mb, when i replaced the wifi card, i was hitting around 130mb, i ran the speed test on 3 different sites all 3 sites were within a couple mb of each other.

my only disappointment with the tp link is the usb 3 performance, on my nighthawk x4s, data transfer speeds from my laptop to the 2tb harddrive through my wifi system were 50 mbs, on the tp link, i get a maximum of 38 mbs.

 

Might be fixed with firmware update.

 

Already have the latest firmware, it was the first thing I did.

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Got my new intel 8265 from the chinese seller in the OP and all my bluetooth problems have been fixed. Killer 1535 is now going in the trash.

$16 and it only took 7 days from china, not bad.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/19195304689...&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true

 

Killer are worse at stock after tweaking it runs like a champ.
Please post the speeds before and after switching to intel

 

Uhhhh damn. I was to excited to fix my bluetooth problems I didn't bother to do a before and after speed test. All I can say is that bluetooth is completely solved with intel and I hit a higher peak in downloading in steam (10MB). Seems more consistent in torrenting as well, the killer used to drop up and down.

Edit: When I took the laptop outside I noticed I was getting full bars whereas the killer 1535 was getting 2. Think my killer card may have been pretty defective because I had read that the intel had inferior range.

 

Indeed, as much a I loved the Intel Card, I had to go back to the Killer AC1535, not because its better overall, but simply because....I would get 1 bar with the Intel where my room is located whereas with the Killer I'd get 2-3 bars of WiFi signal..

 

Did this result in slower speeds or was it just "bars'?

 

Slower speed. I was getting 70mbps with the Intel and 93mbps with the Killer constantly

 

Yes Killer cards have amazing range than Intel and can max out my ISP speed (which is quite low acc. to @Phoenix Etisalat) of 10 Mbps at a corner of my room on both 2.4G and 5G band.

 

802.11r is a fast handoff protocol used to help wireless clients roam in less time. It does so by allowing PSK/PMK reuse, by-passing the negotiation during the roam event. Pre-802.11r, clients would have to perform a full negotiation during each roam event. This meant the client would need to SCAN >> AUTH >> (RE)ASSOC >> PMK >> PTK/GTK >> QoS Admission. 802.11r allows the reuse of PMK which removes the PMK latency from the handoff (SCAN >> AUTH >> RE-ASSOC >> PTK/GTK >> QoS Admission)

802.11k is a protocol used to distribute clients throughout a wireless environment to make better use of the infrastructure. Normally, clients connect to the strongest signal however this can lead to over-utilization of some access points and under-utilization of others in some scenarios. Connecting to an access point with a weak signal but under-utilized would give the user a better experience than connecting to an over-utilized access point with a strong signal. Client egressing cell >> AP informs client of need to roam >> Client requests list of near APs >> AP sends site report >> Client starts roam based on site report

802.11v is a protocol used for wireless network management. Most commonly we see power savings and roaming as areas this protocol helps with. Battery life by allowing the client to sleep for longer periods of time. Roaming by helping load balance and directing poorly connected clients; poorly connected by measuring RF parameters.

All of that said, using all of these protocols in conjunction when one is roaming between multiple different wireless networks adds in other latencies and protocols like DHCP.

I would ask that you educate yourself before explaining something to others something that you obviously know little about.

 

I know little, but not nothing, and I used my own understanding to explain it, but its not wrong, as far as I understood, from memory.
It won't lose the connection, as it connects from one to the other because it bypasses some things as you explained, 802.11K does attempt to use the best connection, even when some are lower signal but not as saturated etc.. anyways, thank you for your specific lingo and technical wording, but no need to be rude to me as some newcomer to this forum, you really didn't say anything that contradicts the way I explained it. I'm sure there is something technical out there that explains all this info, but I have not quoted or cited it, simply explained the way it works as I know it. Been years since I had anything to readup on this stuff, like 3-4 years, so all this was from what I recall, however, if your some technical expert who can cite the lingo and knows more about this stuff, thats great, feel free to share and educate me and others, all sounds very interesting, my experience with these things is from use of touching thousands of laptops and testing them over the years, not from some class room with specifics (least not in the last 20 years) - so I admit I do not know the full terminology.

 

Interesting read. Dual Band Intel 8265 user here.

This article is of no use to me, however, because of the Australian government cutting back on internet costs lol. Still running on copper ADSL here, living far away from the exchange. Paid for 25mbps (megaBITS) but only getting 13 when I'm lucky. On evenings it drops down to 1-2mbps ffs, despite me being in the very same room as the router We have the NBN *COUGH* coming next year, which relies on PayTV cable, THE EXACT SAME TECHNOLOGY IMPLEMENTED DECADES AGO.

Not only that, but we have 10-15 devices to an ISP provided modem router. RIP me

 

Have you tried changing DNS? Same thing happened to me when ISP held back speeds when downloading/uploading while speedtest.net was not throttled.

 

Tried Google, 1.1.1.1, and default. CloudFlare probably is faster but definitely not by much. Probably just the placebo effect.
I believe the slow network is just Australia's issue, compounded by my weak underpowered router. Ethernet reduces ping from 18-35ms to a consistent 17ms. I can't wait until we get a dual band router. All our slow devices can get connected to the slow 2.4ghz whilst the three laptops can connect to 5ghz.

Too much typing on phone. Thank goodness for swipe keyboards.

 

Try Quad9. I'm using it after t456 suggested me.

 

I was not being rude, I was expressing my frustrations with people who attempt to explain technology in ways that are incorrect to a forum of those eager to learn. I think it best not to taint the mind with false information; if you do not know how something works, do not fake it. Others gobble this sort of thing up and run with it, which may have been what you did early on and then repeated it. If you want to learn, read some IEEE documents.
If you want some direct contradictions I will give them to you, however I thought they were pretty self evident.

This is incorrect, the seamless roaming only comes into play when roaming within the same MBSSID. MBSSID meaning more than one AP broadcasting the same SSID, which uses the same backend infrastructure. As I stated in my original post, the reduced latency occurs by way of PMK reuse. If a client connects to a brand new network the PMK (pairwise master key) of the old network cannot be used on the new network, it must be re-negotiated. Not only that, the DORA operation must be completed adding even more latency to the connection initiation.

This is incorrect, 802.11k does not split a client's connection between two different access points. A client can only be associated to one access point at a time.

This is incorrect, 802.11v is a protocol used in management of the RF environment. The backhaul to some website, cloud, or server farm is not taken into account. How exactly do you think this would work, I would love to hear this....from a technical point of view.

 

Thx for the suggestion. No difference here, it's the morning and we are getting the full 13mbps regardless of what DNS. Might have to wait until the network becomes bogged down and then test.

 

welcome to the forums anyways, I thought I understood what it does to improve our connection, but maybe you understand it better and can explain it better than me. Cheers.

 

Yes, I had the same experience when going to different locations. It is much easier to have a good connection with the Intel card and that's why I switched back from the Killer AC1535. It is fast and easy to use when moving around.