HP Pavilion dm1z Review Discussion

I had a M11x for a few days and returned it. It is a bit too chunky to be deemed a netbook, but one thing companies downplay is the size of the PSUs on these things. The M11x ships with the same PSU as many of their bigger laptops and the Dell 90w PSU is pretty chunky and awkward when you're already stretching the, "thin and light category." At 4.5lbs and especially that PSU, it was easily bordering on the E6410 14.1" in weight and chunk. I liked everything about it except the size and weight (unit and PSU). If I want big rigs, I go big and don't mind carting them around (HP Dragon, M-ALX and W90 for example). But if I'm looking for something to toss in my bag along with all my other on the go items well....

What does the PSU look like and what is the size/weight for the dm1z? Hopefully it is something like the wicked small PSUs with Dell's Mini line or Acer's netbooks.

I was waiting to see the results for the Fusion, and I like what I see, but I am probably going to go with an Acer 1830T (i7-680UM) which is a smidge smaller all around with a pretty beastly CPU. I previously used the Core 2 Solo 1.3ghz Acer 1410T and liked everything about it except the subpar CPU performance which made encoding/decoding a nightmare but it did handle WoW better than the Atom powered 1205n in heavily congested areas even with the Intel IGP since WoW is CPU hungry and especially at such a lower resolution.

This is for my daily sojurn to Starbucks to get away for my daily latte and something I can just toss in my bag to take anywhere and to log into WoW just to check the AH and shoot the breeze with guildies / farm when bored. I was able to do this with a ZT-Systems Intel 4500 equipped Core 2 Duo 7250 series laptop (Obviously raiding was out of the question). The M11x was just too chunky and the PSU was out of the question (If you've seen a Dell 90w PSU you know why).

 

BUT would it be better to go up to dm3t with i3 3 gig ram bigger display

 

It is a fine line. The dm3t weighs a pound more, bigger length/width and a slightly bigger PSU from what I've seen with a weaker CPU. It starts to head into the M11x land in regards to size/weight.

 

On the last Dm1, the Power brick was not too big, but the cord was pretty long. I'm talking over 6 feet but I did not measure. But that's a good thing IMO. I'm thinking the brick itself was around 5 inches long and maybe 1.7 inches wide buy maybe 1.5 inches thick and allot of cord. I have a bag that just fits a 11.6 and it carries the PS and a wireless mouse in the extra pockets without a problem.


As for the DM3 AS! Costco has one for 600 dollars. It actually looks similar to the new looks of the DM1. It comes with a 2 year warranty as well.. but, has Intel integrated graphics. Depending on the games you want to play, the dm1 may give better frame rates. Too bad they don't put the fusion in the DM3.

At any rate, the DM1 costs around 470 total including tax if you use the 25 off coupons that are on the net. The DM3 will probably run ya close to 650 after the dust settles. But it will have weaker graphics for games and web 3d content that will be coming in the next year. Its a hard choice. I think you can get a dm3 direct from HP for 530 before taxes. Its just those Intel graphics. I think they used to have better graphics options a while back.. but no more.

 

PSU is rated at 65W so more than likely it's pretty small.
@ HI DesertNM
When are you getting yours?
Mines on the 26th.

 

The processor in the dm3 is not going to be much better than the E-350 and it is going to cost about $150 more for the i3-380um, the dm1z is going to game better, the dm3 does not come with bluetooth standard (don't know if that would be a big deal for you), and the dm3 gets worse battery life. Honestly between the two I don't see why anyone would not get the dm1z

 

Well they gave me an estimated ship date of Jan 19. But I pulled the trigger the first day it hit the site (Jan 9). But still no email that it shipped yet. Usually they ship ahead of estimated shipping times. However, this is a brand new model from top to bottom. I don't think it shares much at all with the last generation. Hopefully they don't have any component shortages or other production issues on the line. I used to work in manufacturing for years.. and I'm wondering what the start-up issues are for this new model.. there are always issues when moving into a new product.

 

think ill stick to dm1z spend exra cash on ext cd rom

 

Don't let the smaller screen scare you. You can always increase the DPI a tad in the display properties and IE and FF have easy tools to increase text size if you need it. On the last generation I found it to be comfortable to use for extended time periods. If you get it, you won't regret it. The last couple of AMD/ATI combos on these smaller form factors have been strong performers. IMO, they are fast in W7.. The last neo system surprised me on the performance end. What I did not like was the keyboard and mouse pad.. which by the way, they completely fixed on the new fusion model.

 

Ok let me put something CLEAR.

The ION2, while faster than HD6310, it its slower on 1215N because of the pci-e bottleneck, 3dmark06 scores are not affected by this bottleneck.

The E-350 is superior than D525+ION2 combo in both CPU and 3d gaming performance, plus lower price, plus better batery life, plus no dealing with optimus, plus better build quality.

is a win-win, there is virtually no competence here.

What i whould like to know about the HP DM1z is:
-Overcloking? is a possibility? it can be done?
-There is a 2nd pci-e slot? with both pci-e and usb connections?
-Why the disk scores are so low??? you can remove the disk and test it out on a desktop, to see if its a disk or sata implementation problem.

BTW, Im not so impressed with Mass Effect 2 results, my U230 could hadle it pretty well on 720x480 when the gpu was overcloked to 700mhz. And it looks OK too, those small lcd screens allow to play at very low resolutions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJltBsSEB0&feature=related

 

These look really nice if I didn't want more gaming power I'd pick one up now.

 

Nice video Shivansps!
I didn't even know you can lower the res that low on games, surprisingly they look pretty darn good too.
I'm with you in wondering if these new APU's can be OC'd, not sure if the traditional OC software would work these( AMD Clock Tools, MSI Afterburner) since the CPU and GPU are on the same die.
I'll give it a go when I get mine.

 

I got 3 videos check the first one

 

Very, very interesting ... nice to see AMD releasing a package that has good heat control, battery life, graphics ability and decent cpu power!

Huzzah for them!

 

What kind of troll are you? Compare Ion2 to AMDs comparable IGP, and the Ion2 barely distinguishes itself over the HD4200/50/70. In fact the HD4270 probably trounces on the Ion2 in real world performance. And let alone the fact that you can hybrid x-fire with a discrete card and increase performance. I dont know if many laptops offered that but it clearly topped the Ion2 and that was with AMD's older setup like I used to have, the HD3200 to an HD3470. Sure it didnt always scale well, but I always had low power IGP until I needed the HD3470 and then I got at least as good as the HD3470 and sometimes much better than the HD3470 alone.

synthetic benchmarks stink, and Nvidia and Intel have always focussed on how to make the numbers go higher, sometimes artificially. The reviewer explained the real world performance difference. AMD offers compelling value and performance.

I just ordered one, Thank You for the great review Jerry! I love that to come up with a con, it was that AMD decieved us and the battery life is only still better than a dual atom or macbook!

 

Because dm1z is too small and the big screen frame is ugly on the bottom. I'll take Fusion in 13'' laptop .

Do not forget to share your experinces with me !

 

wow steady on there. Ion 2 is barely comparable to 4200? Which side of bed did you get out of? the trap door side?

What laptops/netbooks had a 4270? Which 12.1" netbooks specifically had this feature? Hybrid xfire?! you'd be lucky to get flash HD support working on an Ati netbook let alone crossfire the bludger!

You do know we are talking about netbook performance here right? Not a gaming laptop AMD vs Nvidia debate?

And as for Synthetic benchmarks stink? well thats the only comparable benchmark used in the review in terms of GPU performance so, maybe take that issue up with the reviewer, NOT the analyser of the review perhaps?

 

IMO, its pointless to try to compare the new AMD E-350 AMD Radeon HD 6310. This APU has formed a new niche for itself. Its a balance of performance and endurance. It does not share the endurance of the atom (although its approaching that level) and it does not share the performance of higher end ultraportables. What AMD did, was strike what I believe a perfect balance for the average user. It shares very little with the average netbook with its numerous limitations of performance and resolution. The only competition that this level of processor has at this time, is itself (Sorry Intel). For anyone interested in this type of performance/price category its not a question of choosing the Fusion, but rather which manufacturer, eg, Lenovo 120e, or Sony, or DM1 etc..

 

You cannot deny being a troll here, youre just professing your love for Nvidia. I would not consider you an analyser, just biased. You want to compare Nvidias discrete Ion2 w/ 512mb dedicated RAM to AMDs discretes or IGPs? And you show me where the Ion2 does much more than the HD4250, for synthtic comparison notebookcheck has it as 5% better, big deal, and has the Fusion 6310 just over the Ion2. Most of the "netbook" reviews for the DM1z suffer from always using the single core cpu when you can clearly get better. And now its not offered in single core. I had a HD3200 with dedicated sideport RAM hybrid xfire to HD3470 so I know it works and I got great performance on stressing games that wouldnt play on either one alone well. You cannot put it on AMD how OEMs build their laptops, AMD offers the capability and OEMs decide how to build them. AMD is often not fully utilized with lesser speed or quantity RAM, lesser cpu's chosen, sideport not utilized, ect..

 

Well I have to say Im VERY VERY glad this came to fruition. The first gen of these chips is a little lower then what I expected performance wise (making my choice of my m11x easier on my mind), but still a dynamo none the less. If I had missed the m11x deal I probably would have this instead, although the chicklet style keyboard is a HUGE turn off. Either way glad to see this segment pan out. Cant wait to see what else comes along in the coming months.

 

What might be more impressive are Llano based notebooks with hybrid graphics, or at least run off the APU normally and some awesome discrete waiting in the wings. My ideal would be a Llano 13" notebook with XGP!

We will see how Fusion competes on the mainstream then. I will be happy with the DM1z, or at least my GF will, I think she is going to hog it for school and her travelling Avon work. She has been hinting at her DM3z being a little too much, luckily the DM1z will be higher performance too.

 

A few questions please;

1. Does anyone know if the DM1z offers HD password security via BIOS?
2. Will other OS's such as XP or Linux work with this platform without a performance hit such as battery life? Or will I be forced with W7?

 

Nobody really has these yet. I ordered one the first day it hit HP.com and still no email of shipping. Not sure why you need XP or linux. I really did not like Vista but have to admit, that the last generation dm1 ran smooth on W7. W7 will get better battery life, and that's because that is built in on the OS. Seven has superior memory manager and power management. MS knows, they developed both and have control over that.

But one good thing, is you can order the DM1 with W7 PRO which has the XP mode. Good for legacy software stuff.

As for drivers, somebody was saying they don't even have the W7 drivers posted on the support site yet. But it really does not matter, when HP does it will probably be only for W7 64 bit. Unfortunately, the best way to run XP etc.. is to look at business lines of notebooks with intel integrated graphics or buy older hardware. So yeah, they pretty much are forcing it on you.. but I can understand why, they don't want the costs and time to develop drivers for legacy OS's. Its gotten to the point now that nvidia does not even allow open source community to write drivers. I think since MS is building a better OS its not helping the linux community. Things are going backwards in that regard.

 

Thanks for the excellent review! I'm ready to pull the trigger and get this system. Can anybody say (or guess) how well this might handle Minecraft with the 4GB RAM option?

 

It is better than 1215N because:
Longer battery life in performance mode
Can change HDD without removing pretty much the whole netbook
Use full 4GB RAM (only 2.7GB on 1215N even with 64bit OS, consider some app alone use more than 2GB so 2.7GB is not enough)
Very fluid in Windows 7 (Win 7 is a bit laggy in dual core Atom)
Smaller size

I ditched my neo and atom netbook just for this, the perfect netbook for me! (neo too hot and atom too slow)

 

So, I am not fully clear on a few things here. Between Fusion vs the older intel ULV SU9x00, which is faster? I know in synthetic test both were about the same, but I am referring to real world, test and such. I know gpu is going to be marginally better, but I never had a problem playing video with the 4500hd(even 720p mkv files, never tried 1080p mkv).

 

I would say they are a tie, but the Core 2 Duo ULV provides worse gaming and better battery life.

CULV+4500HD play 1080p mkv easily, and with Flash 10.2 Beta plays 1080P flash decently (ranges 17-24 fps on my SU2300, the lowest end C2D ULV) and will probably be smooth by the time 10.2 hits release.

 

eh? the E-350 is slower than a SU2300, it does come close, but still is far from him. In fact, is slower than the Neo X2 L335 on my MSI U230.

Now, the HD6310 as faster than ION1 but slower than ION2, but for gaming, the E-350+HD6310 should be faster than D525+ION2, the ION2 is bottlenecked by both the D525 and the pci-e x1 1.0 bandwidth.

There is no point in 1215N, seriusly.

BTW, the Intel HD is still slower than HD3200 in terms of raw performance, X4500MHD is waaaay inferior, but it should be enoght for HD videos.

 

I dont think so mate. i was hoping for something from these new AMD that would justify my decision to NOT buy a 1215N or even a 1201N with the Atom 330 and Ion 1 but honestly that hasnt really materialised has it?

You wouldnt call me an analyser for simply analysing the numbers in the review? I could just as easily call you bias towards ATi because you seem to promoting this very heavily - and for no apparent reason. Especially given the 4270 comments which bear no semblence of meaning in context of netbook performance in a 12.1 or even a 13.3" form factor.

You want to compare HD4225 vs an Ion 2 now? Okay lets do that:

Review Dell Inspiron M301z Subnotebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

3dmark 06 synthetic benchmark the 4225 gets 1297 marks. The Asus 1215N gets 2409 points. Thats nearly 86% increase in performance. Afterall, you dont get the 4250 chipset in netbooks, they all come with the 4225. And even the 4250 only averages 1500~ points in 3dmark06. The main netbooks offering GPU performance were the Acer Ferrari with HD3200 plus the lenovos Thinkpad edge 13" with the same ATi IGP. That got less than 1000 points in 3dmark06.

So In a direct Netbook comparo, the ION2 solution despite being, inefficiently rendered still performs quite admirably.

Given that this site has provided no direct gaming comparisons, like i said, i cannot deliver any further verdict on actual gaming performance between the 2. And other sites seem only to have tested the desktop platform Fusion APU not the version that appears in the mobile 11.6" form factor like the DM1z and performance does differ between the two.

In terms of battery life, i will grant you that AMD Fusion APU provides better battery life, but at the cost of potentially worse performance in a netbook form factor.

 

The problem I'm seeing with your thoughts and even a few other people's analysis is that you are comparing the GPU to a standard IGP. There is a difference between the APU and the standard IGP setup in a netbook/notebook. I think until real world tests are done by the community it will be impossible to tell how well the dm1z performs.

You do get additional benefits with the fusion platform beyond battery life, like being able to go above 2 gigs of ram. Something intel has locked the atom platform on.

I'm impressed with what I've seen so far from AMD.

 

Did you forget to read this part of Jerry's review, when evaluating the 1215N versus the DM1?

"The closest competing Intel-based netbook is the ASUS Eee PC 1215N ($499) with a dual-core Intel Atom processor and NVIDIA Ion 2 graphics. While the ASUS netbook generates some impressive numbers in our synthetic benchmark tests, our real-world performance evaluation was less than impressive. The dual-core Atom wasn't as "laggy" as single-core Atom processors found in budget netbooks, but it was still slow in a Windows environment and the Nvidia graphics struggled with newer games even at the lowest settings due to the weakness of the Intel processor.."

OR this part?

"The Aspire 1830T was roughly twice as fast as the new 11.6-inch Apple MacBook Air ($999) or the HP Pavilion dm1 according to the wPrime synthetic benchmark, but the Pavilion dm1 substantially out-performed the higher-priced Acer notebook in both synthetic and real-world video/gaming performance tests."

I don't know what your looking for, but honestly, if Jerry is saying the 1215N is laggy and a weak multitasker in W7 when compared to the DM1, then that says volumes. I could give a crap if the 1215N might pull a few more frames on certain games. The fact is, neither are serious gaming machines. You have missed the point of this review which basically supports the DM1 has having incredible value and performance for the money. Its snappy, and runs 1080P without any issues and does it running cooler and longer battery life. Not only that, the build quality is worse on the 1215N with a keyboard with more flex. Speakers are also crap when compared to the DM1.

Now you put the 1215N and DM1 in front of the average Joe and they are going to tell you the 1215N is slow.. that its lags, that it takes longer to switch from applications, that it has too much gloss, and bouncy keyboard. Jerry gave excellent real world examples. And when somebody says that one system can run more fluently in the W7 environment, for the same amount of money or less, why would I go with the Asus? You can deny all you want and still say the 1215N can hold its own against the dm1, but I would wager that 9 times out of 10, most people will choose the DM1 for its real world performance boost in W7 and its top of class build quality. Yes, many people who held and used the dm1 at CES 2011 have claimed that it is indeed, top of class in build quality.

The problem you have, is there is really only one worthy intel ION2 system to compare, and it fails. Once you start comparing with higher priced intel systems, then you have taken that conversation away from this form factor and discussion. Its hard for me to not think that some are just biased or have some agenda against AMD etc. Because most reviewers, including Jerry will flatly say that this APU had found a niche, or a hole that Intel left open. For what this APU was designed for, at its form factor and price, Intel has nothing to throw at it. And if this was not the truth then why are dozens of manufacturers scrambling to get something out ASAP with this new APU? And when Ontario is released, AMD is going to dig further into Intels market share with entry level netbooks with HD capabilities and HDMI.

 

Don't neglect all of the other reviews which have been linked in this forum which unanimously call the dm1 the clear victor when compared with the 1215N. Until ASUS And ThinkPad start using the E350 in their low profile models, it just doesn't look like anything can compete with the dm1 in performance/value.

 

The Lenovo is going to use the E350 in the Thnkpad X120 line.

 

I would like a test with League of Legends at high settings. A fusion killing machine for the road.

 

Finally an appealing netbook

If they can keep the Canadian retail price less than the Acer Timeline's, I'd replace my DV2 with this in a heartbeat

 

I'd like this too! I'm looking for a netbook for April when I will be traveling and I just want enough graphical horsepower to play 1080p movies and League of Legends (even if it's on lower settings).

 

Here is a review of a pre-release Zacate setup against the SU2300 w/ ION, so you can see how the E350 compares to both the SU2300, which it does very well against, besting it at times and showing its GPU power beyond the Ion. Of course that was a pre-release and newer software and drivers may improve the Zacate performance.

PC Perspective - AMD E-350 1.6 GHz APU Brazos Platform Preview - Zacate APU Benchmarked

Additionally 3DMark is not a good synthetic because it does not adequately test AMD APUs and IGPs. They know why, and its just synthetically propping up Nvidia GPUs. I mean part of 3DMark is specifically written to test how Nvidia chose to make its Physx, vs AMD's methods.

NotebookCheck still recognizes the older HD4250 at 5% under the performance of ION2 in graphics, but the Windows experience rates HD4250 at 5% over the ION2, and 13% over the ION2 in gaming graphics.

The HD6310 is rated at 4% over the ION2.

 

Youre grasping, there is plenty of evidence that this DM1z is superior to both of those options. Lets look at other synthetic benchmarks HEREat Notebookcheck.
PCMark Gaming ION2 loses to HD4250 by 17%
CinebenchR10 ION2 loses to HD4250 by 100%
Win7 Experience Gaming ION2 loses to HD4250 by 15%
3DMark06 only has the ION2 at 5% over the HD4250

How much do we rely on these benchmarks

The previous edition of this DM1z came with an HD4250.

I may be biased, but I didnt jump into an Ion2 netbook review bashing the reviewer and praising the competition which makes you a troll.

My previous post includes a review that had some gaming comparison as well.

 

Gonna be a long two weeks. Just ordered my new dm1z w/ 4GB RAM. Got a Kingston 128GB SSD to throw in when it gets here. Very curious to know if these Zacate APU's can be overclocked...

 

CNETS got their review and video up:

HP Pavilion dm1 Review - Laptops - CNET Reviews

 

If you plan to buy kingston V+100, it'll eat your battery for b'fast. Better go with SF/intel based ssd.

 

Look, everyone loves to protect their purchases and self justify them there is no harm in this.

AMD?s Brazos vs. Atom Thermals, Revisited - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

You can read here for anandtechs thoughts on this situation in terms of the comparisons.

"When we drop clock speeds down to 1.0GHz (dual-core C-50) from 1.6GHz (E-350) and compare that to the Atom N550 (1.5GHz)… well, 62.5% of the performance of E-350 compared to 90.4% of the performance of D510 means that in some tests the N550 will probably beat the C-50 for raw CPU potential. Yeah, that’s a concern for me. The GPU is the real difference, so naturally a video decoding test is the best-case scenario. I suspect C-50 will be underpowered for most 3D games, even if the DX11 GPU inside Brazos is fast enough— it will just be the AMD equivalent of Atom + NVIDIA ION, only without as many discrete chips."

Which is what i said, that it has taken quite some time to bring the AMD Fusion to market since the release of ION2. Sure the Intel is a messy solution and not as elegant however it did serve a purpose and has been available for a long time already.

It is a shame that there are no reviews of the DM1 with the 4250 and X2 processor as it makes it very difficult to compare them specifically like for like. Most of the benchmarks on Notebookcheck for the 4250 are either single core or driven by a P320 or similar which is much more powerful than the Neo X2 chips skewing the results somewhat.

So where the averages for the ION2 results are actually getting dragged down by non Atom Dual Core models, the 4250 results are getting pulled up by much more powerful CPU which have had a positive impact upon performance.

Maybe i have been overly critical of the AMD IGP solution - but i have been comparing (at least in my mind) the 4225 vs the ION, as these were the most common combatants in this particular pricepoint and availability.

the DM1 with 4250 seems to be the oddball out and was certainly never available unilaterally or at least not in the UK. And as i mentioned the other competitors such as Lenovo, Samsung etc came with the X2 and 4225.

Im happy to be proven wrong, i want to be proven wrong otherwise i would have already bought an Asus 1215N. Hopefully more reviews will shed some light on practical items, such as HD flash playback, 1080p MKV files as well as absolute gaming performance across the two different platforms...

 

About the lower WOW performance at recomended settings of the DM1z vs 1215N, WOW uses DX11 now, you are completely sure it dindt used DX11 at the "recomended settings"? sub 1215n performance in wow makes no sence at all.

 

Yes, if this quote was referring to the E-350 and not the C-50 your point would be valid. As it stands, you need to read more carefully. This portion of the article you quoted has nothing to do with the E-350 or, by extension, the dm1.

 

With all due respect ballist1x, the link you have from Anandtech has been thoroughly discredited by their readers due to lack of any proper benchmarks to back the author's assumption and or claims. Don't believe me? Look in their comments section.

Look, everything is this world is subjective. You like it you buy it, you don't like ...don't buy it. Please don't come here and tell people:
"Look, everyone loves to protect their purchases and self justify them there is no harm in this"
to back up your own point for the arguments or assumptions you are making.

In reality this community thrives on good user experience and advise. Anyone who has had bad experience with any vendor or products have promptly come in here to report it. Take a look at the forums in here and you will see. Nobody defends a bad product.

What's bothering me the most is that all you are doing is speculating.
You don't even have this machine; never seen it or tested it. Yet you are trying to pass yourself as a definite authority in regards to judging this particular piece of hardware and writing it off completely.

What you fail to realize is that most of the positives on this board is stemming from the reviews on this site and others external sources.
You know by people who actually held this machine and tested it.
If they say it's good....I can't help but believe them over what you have to say.

cheers

A counter to anand's link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asrock-e350m1-amd-brazos-zacate-apu,2840.html

 

The E350 with the HD6310 shouldnt have any issues playing youtube 1080p. Laptopmag has a first look video demonstrating flash HD video playback on the dm1.
YouTube - Hands-On With The HP Pavilion dm1

 

At least the posts are not as troll as they were initially, thats something to be happy for.

I personally am not buying an ultraportable or netbook to game on, but to each his own. If there was one to do it, I think this is it, with all the other benefits, no cons to this setup, other than its not as high performance as some may like, but its better than older stuff.

However, when Llano is released, maybe they will put that in a 12" notebook with an XGP port so you can game in style with it. Running the efficient APU normally, but hopefully an XGP port that allows you to use the units own screen.

 

My DM3z with dual core 1.6Ghz Neo Turion and HD3200 IGP also plays 1080p Blu-ray on my 46" HDTV fine through HDMI. Now use the VGA instead it works but has occasional choppiness, and I didnt even know VGA could do 1080p. The DM1z will be better though.

 

I am very proud of AMD for essentially destroying the pathetic Atom and last generation ULV processors with Zacate.

 

Well, the issue with the TomsHW report is this, they are using the desktop version of these iterations as opposed to the mobile version.

The transition to a mobile form factor usually results in a slowdown in performance.

But not only that, the test systems used are slightly disingenous, as they are comparing the Atom 330 vs Zacate. Which is basically brand new vs pretty old. Does Tom know we now have the Atom D525?

Well yes they do clearly:

Round 1: Synthetic Benchmarks : Efficiency Analysis: Atom D510 Vs. Atom D525/ION2

AND they know it is faster than the 510 and therefore will also be faster than the 330. So why in their review did they not compare the new pinetrail platform? In some of the comparisons vs Zacate it would have made little difference but in others it might have reversed the results, especially where they were within 10-20% of each other.

It would be nice, im still waiting for Acer to release their solution that was inked for the Acer Ferrari One - which gained an XGP at the cost of a HDMI port.. except acer never actually released the XGP product to back up the port?