HD3650 in ifl91

Whats up with your sig: PQI 2x2GB DDR800@667MHz 4-3-3-11

I didn't realize that DDR800 was clocked 667MHz...???

 

Well, all wat I sad doesn't apply to did DIMMs, also I did downcloak on the one side and tigtened the timings on the other.
They were DDR800 SoDIMMs, bus as all modules they have SPD for 3 speed combinations (533,667,800). 667Mhz comes with 4-5-5-15 timings, I just edited them with SPD Tool.
And yes, my RIG doesn't support DDR800, it's DDR667.

 

I don't think the OC is responsible for the card failure. If anything it just made a preexisting probelm reappear. This card was already a troubled child when I got it... It still works but it just keep crashing when switching back to the low power clocks or when it runs for too long. I'll test it again when I buy my MS-1651, having to put the ifl90 apart completely, each time I want to access the card is annoying.

 

Got the 2600 XT yesterday, replaced the 8600 with it, but couldn't get it to work, all I get is sort of beige screen, Vista boots normally. Any thoughts?

Back to the 8600 for now.

 

drivers? <ninja>

 

No, the screen is permanently blank...

 

to make things even worse, I've managed to screw up the 8600

 

How did you manage to do that? What do you mean by screwing up? Are you sure you haven'f forgotten to reconnect something?

 

Oh ok I see... cause if you clocked your DDR to 667 when you could be getting 800 that would be kinda stupid. But if your other hardware can't support it then... its probably a good idea

 

Well, to be completely honest, the seller sent me the 2600 XT w/o the little aluminum frame for the screws (not sure about the name - mount, maybe? I'm not a native speaker), so I came up with the "brilliant" idea of dismantling the 8600's and using it instead. Apparently the little fellow wasn't too fond of the operation. I tried setting it up three times already, cleaning contacts, reapplying glue and so on, but it always ends up with the same results - crazy folded colorful "artifacts", seems the VGA's on acid. Funny thing though, 3dmark results remain exactly the same.

On the other hand, the 770M will be arriving tomorrow, my last hope is to get it to work, otherwise my Compal will be sold for scrap. I've spent more money upgrading it than I would do buying a high-end laptop.

EDIT -

Ayle, I found one of your old posts:

"Probably a vbios incompatibility... You could try dumping the card vbios and including it in the ifl90 with Phoenix Bios Editor but I don't think that would really be worth the risk..."

I reckon IFL90 uses the same BIOS as the JFL92... considering Compal's 8600's vBIOS is "embedded" (lacking a better term) in the system BIOS, how did your IFL recognize the HD 3650? I think the post I quoted might contain the answer to my problem - how can I change the vBIOS in BIOS v. 1.18 w/ Phoenix Bios Editor?

Thanks a lot,

p_mor

 

Basically it's just getting whatever vbios you want to use and adding it as a module in the bios. The problem is that the phoenix bios editor floating on the internet cannot rebuild any of the recent compal bios correctly and if you try to flash it you will end up with a semi-brick like I did...

 

Results so far:
8600M GT dying
HD 2600 XT dead
FX 770M - With this one, I can't even switch the laptop on.

on to the junkyard it seems...

 

What's wrong with the 8600? And what happens when you try to boot with the fx770?

 

I got the laptop to switch on yesterday with the FX, but didn't get pass that. Doesn't boot. External monitor not working either.

The 8600 displays plainly weird, with psychodelic colors and strange shapes. Must have bent a capacitor or something of that sort.

 

Ouch. Don't throw the laptop away I'm receiving my ms1651 next week. I'll test the hd3650 in it. If it works, I might be able to sell you my 8600 for really cheap. In the mean time sell the fx770 on eBay. You should be able to get a good price for it.

 

Thanks for the offer, but as it turns out it's not the VGA I think... I tried an external monitor and it works perfectly. Hope it's just the LCD panel, or maybe (worst case scenario) something on the motherboard.

The 770 and the 2600 are up for auction as we speak, so are the x9000 and 7200 rpm HD I got for it. Guess I'll send it to tech support and sell afterwards. Thinking about buying a Gateway or Asus rig.

Thanks again, Ayle.

 

Hi !
I ordered from eBay again a new condition ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 today.
I bought this card aBay seller http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=350190710226
I hope this time it'll be work. Because this card come to orjinal ATI (1002) subvendor vBios.

Ayle, when I receive a new card, I'll try before you sent me your vBios dump file for the flash.

Thanks..

 

I got mine from that seller too. Good luck.

 

Did you ever get past the 30 sec issue?

 

I've received and installed the AMD ATI HD3650 I ordered from eBay seller osstore001 last Wednesday.
Results:
_The laptop goes through post and the bios reports 256 MB of video memory. But windows Advanced Settings VGA Adapter properties shows 512 MB I don't understand why?
_Windows boot, drivers installed. Doing basic tasks is fairly uneventful.
_vBios upgrade or downgrade no need yet.
_Gaming: Yes full detailed games runnig perfectly. For examples NFS Carbon full detail and x4 AA on 16-22 FPS looking.
_Benchmark: When I start any benchmark program examples 3DMark06 don't response I don't understand why? It's the same problem for 3DMark05-03.
_Default GPU Core Clock:600 MHz and GPU Memory Clock:700 MHz Runnig perfectly.
_GPU Temperature Full load on game at 94C and GPU idling at 52-55C

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I'll be add later any games screenshot picture.
But Why I can't run any benchmark, I don't understand what's the problem?
I open any ideas.
Thanks.

 

I'have a similar problème with my 8600M GT: in vista or seven RC, windows says that i have 767MB of shared memory but normaly my 8600M GT doesn't support nvidia turbo cache technology. And in windows XP,some softwares like rivatuner or the nvidia control panel says me that my 8600M GT has 512Mo of memory. But he bios reports 256 MB of video memory too.

It is hot!

 

Well, a late update... been really busy for the last couple of months. After some testing, I realized I hadn't burned the 8600 after all. Seems the problem is a bad contact on the motherboard/LCD cable interface, I managed to work around this by sticking a piece of plastic above it. I can use the laptop just fine now, as a matter of fact with the newest NVidia drivers there was a 10% increase in 3Dmark05 performance, reaching 6700+ points.

I sold the HD2600XT, still have some hope of making the 770M work though. Do any of you have suggestions on how I could do this? I've come up with some hypotheses:

- DDR2 (8600M) x GDDR3 (Quadro);
- Compal's 8600M GT having no vbios of its own... if this were the issue, wouldn't the 3650 fail to work as well?
- power consumption - 35W for the 770M x 20W for the 8600M.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

p_mor

 

So far I can't even identify where in the system bios the vbios is located when using Phoenix's editor, let alone change its specs..

 

It's in the modules part. It's something.rom...

 

Since I could boot with the 2600XT, which I had just sold, I tried blind flashing it, resulting in a "brick", and now the laptop won't boot even with the 8600. I never tweaked the system bios, only used ATIFlash to try a new vbios. Any thoughts on how I could remedy this will be highly appreciated.

Thank you.

 

CRISIS recovery method probably. Does it at least turn on?

 

Yes, it turns on, the fan spins for about 1 sec and that's it.

 

Then the crisis recovery should work though at this point I'm wondering if something else hasn't died on you....

 

Tried the crisis method today, turning on the laptop pressing Fn+B causes the fan to spin without interruption, but no response from the USB floppy drive so far, although the ports are powered.

 

Which drive do you have? I know that some usb floppy drive don't work when you try to boot from them...

 

It's a NEC... what brand should I use?

oh, and thanks again, Ayle.

 

I used a Bytecc to successfully revive my ifl90 but Sony should work too.

 

It died on me yesterday. I'll order a new BIOS chip, if that doesn't cut it, I think only a new motherboard will solve the problem.

 

I think a new motherboard will cost you as much a buying a new barebone... Might as well get a jhl90 barebone and put your components in it.

 

My 8600M GT 512 DDR2 died in my IFL90 last WE so I ordered a HD 3650. Got the same model as Liberty did, however I had to scratch about 2 mm off the heat sink since the big grey whatever and the small thing just in between that grey object and the screw hole were hindering the perfect application of the heat sink. Also the positions of the memory chips are slightly different so that they do not fully match the heat sink, this can, however, be overcome with the thermal pads.

Windows booted normally and I could install the drivers from Windows without the use of an external monitor. The graphic card is listed correctly everywhere. I have also no problem running Benchmarks such as 3DMark06. However, the card is performing worse than the old 8600M GT in 3DMark06: 3800 points with HD 3650 instead of 4000 with my old overclocked 8600M GT @ 550/1100/478, although the HD 3650 should perform better as it runs at 594/693. All power profiles are working, the card is clocking down and up as gpu power is needed.

In actual gaming the cards superiority can be seen. It performs noticeable better than the 8600M GT. Sadly I cannot play GTA IV (the game that in the end fried my 8600M GT) at the same detail now, since 256 MB vram is too little to set everything on middle, furthermore GTA IV has some minor graphic glitches with ATI video cards.

However, the card performs great, there is only one drawback: the heat. The GPU idles aroud 55°C, just like the 8600M GT did, but goes up to 100°C in games... (100° C beeing peak temperature, average is 90 - 96) thats what Everest tells me. However, I don't really believe that the temperature is really this high, as the laptop is not getting as hot as it did with the 8600M GT were you really could feel the heat altough the 8600M GT never went higher than 87° C. Besides the fan never runs at maximum as it did before.

I'm pretty sure the heat sink fits perfectly now, could it be that the fan needs to be adjusted to the new card or could it be that the GPU diode is delivering false information? After all, if the GPU was at 100° C, the laptop would have gone off automatically or not?

 

I bought some Arctic Cooling MX-2 and new thermal pads this week and applied them to the GPU. The first time I also forgot to install a thermal pad around the GPU itself. While the GPU still idles at around 59°C it peaks out at 89°C under excessive stress testing, gaming temperature is 80°C - 83°C. However the overall cooling seems to have improved greatly, since the fan sometimes stops running when idling in high performance mode.

Ayle, you reached ~40°C idle with a cooling pad, or? Although I only notice a small difference (3°C maybe) when I use a cooling pad with this notebook.

I was wondering whether I could overclock the HD 3650 a bit. The HD 2600 XT is technical almost identical and runs at 700/750 so it should be save to overclock to these values, I guess. Which program did you guys use for overclocking? So far I tried ATI Tool but my card won't take the new clock speeds, any suggestions?

 

I idled in the low 40s, because my dorm room was ice cold. I did a bios overclock because at the time the latest drivers prevented software overclocking, but that has been fixed recently, search through the gaming thread, there is a post about it. The maximum I reached 750/880 and the temps where around 89-90C but I got crashes from times to times. 700/800 was rock solid and the card hovered around 85c at those clocks.

 

Ummm... so I would have to install catalyst 8.10 to software overclock the HD 3650, right? That's bad, since I need the newest ATI drivers otherwise games like GTA IV are just unplayable. How do you bios overclock? Do you have to modify the bios under windows and then flash the card with it? I guess this is no option for me, because I don't now which bios my card has, I bought it in China, dunno if it has a HP bios or whatever.

 

This apparently works with the latest drivers: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1383/mirrors.php

 

It seems to me that this program is still VERY buggy, I can't control it at all, it won't let me set any clock rates by myself but it somehow managed to overclock the core clock to 720 MHz while I only wanted it to be 660 MHz, I also can't change the memory clock at all, everytime I want to increase the memory clock it stay at 700 MHz but increases the core clock instead... very very strange... I'd prefer bios modding anyway, since I use Vista 64 bit neither RMClock nor any other graphic software that alows me to change clock speed will work on autostart. I just want to set the values for the graphics card as low as possible in low energy mode and at something like 650 - 700 / 750 - 800 at high performance mode and I want to set the voltage of the CPU to 1.025 max., because thats all the T7500 needs to run perfectly stable... I know that it's possible to manipulate the GPU bios but it is not possible to set the VCore manuelly through bios modding cause Compal use such strange bios, don't they?

Edit: OK, that tool really seems to work, hopefully the clock rates will stay this way once I restarted the laptop. However, I there any way to set the VCore other than using software tools? As this solution won't work anymore... whether I use RMClock or not the CPU will always run at up to 1.350V ... it's only important to me because the more I can undervolt the CPU the more I can overclock the GPU, because - as you know - both generally share the same cooling system in this laptop.

Edit2: So far so good... GPU temp peaks out at 87°C @ 700/750 with zero artifacts running Guild Wars... did any1 else notice that Guild Wars seems to be the most demanding game for this laptop!? In every other game (even newest like GTA IV) the CPU and GPU run much more cooler... however, Guild Wars is the only game where I make use of high resolutions, it seems like higher resolution than 1280x800 really kill the hardware of this laptop. I used to run Guild Wars @ 1680x1050 on the 8600M GT over month maybe that's what killed the card, although I had graphic issues from the first day with Guild Wars while every other game ran perfectly, maybe Guild Wars is just a perfect indicator whether your hardware works or not.

 

The 8600m Gt failed because Nvidia did a shoddy job with the g86 and g84. It didn't fail because of you.

 

For the CPU undervolting, you can try CPUGenie

 

How about reading one or two posts in here? ;-)
It will work, you just have to adapt the heat shield a bit!

 

Greetings to all,



what about MXM II ATI Mobility HD3650 512MB Video Card?
-This might be a better choice than the 256MB version (this goes to Liberty)

What do you think? Is it possible to install this one? (Since the 256MB version is woking nicely for Ayle).

Well Morthal I have an FL90 (which I bought around October '07) and it has a touch sensitive panel (you know, the one with the blue lights).

I am interested a lot in buying a replacement for my 8600gt since lately, not only it burns my left hand but it also makes some strange noises (they stop if hit it a little bit), and I get BSODs with oblivion.

 

If the 512 MB version only has DDR2 than its considerable slower than the 256 MB Version, Do you have a link to the seller of that card or screenshots maybe?

Anyway, a replacement would work with your laptop.

 

Yes off course, take a look here:
http://cgi.ebay.com.my/AMD-ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-3650-MXM-II-Graphics-Card_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ180389389529,

-When you say slower than the 256 version of the HD 3650 does that mean also slower than the 8600gt?
If not, the stability, cooler temps and the longer life (if we consider the bad design of 8600gt) would still make it a good choice.

I used to play crysis in my 8600 at high everything with 20-22 fps most of the time (if we take out some explosions) with the 181.20 drivers from Nvidia, without overclocking it.

So 512MB do count more even if there is a penalty in speed (in case that 8600 is not a faster card).

 

No, the HD 3650 should be faster than the 8600M GT even with 512 MB DDR2. The card in that link has DDR2, just like every 512 megs version of the HD 3650 (I think). However the difference would be minimal.

The question is: Why not get the HD 3650 with 256 MB DDR3? They are available at ebay everywhere. I was skeptic at first, too, but the size really doesn't matter, unless you play high demanding games at high resolutions which you can't anyway cause these two mobile graphics cards are far too weak for this. An example: I can run GTA IV hat higher details and higher fps with the HD 3650 256MB DDR3 even though GTA IV restricted my settings at first and wouldn't let me take the configs as I took with the 8600M GT 512MB DDR2 (had to circumvent that).

DDR3 is double memory clock compared to DDR2. Also you can hardly overclock DDR2, but you can clock DDR2 very high.

But there is a thing that sucks: Many games are optimized for Nvidia... like GTA IV... it has major glitches with ATI cards, so while it runs faster with the new card, it does not look good. Could be the same with crysis, so I would wait till your 8600M GT dies... maybe it will last a few month more and then you could be able to buy the HD 4670 which would mean a really considerable boost!

 

Unfortunately the HD4670 seems to be MXM III and not MXM II, take a look in this discussion if you like: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=5010146

The only available choice seems to be HD4650 (with DDR2 alas).

 

Just in case you, or anybody else need more info about HD4650 here is the link for the part: http://www.notebook-doctor.com/it-pi-n-Acer_VG_M9606_005_VGA_BD_M96_1GB_DDR2_500MHZ-pId-1881718.html

and here is a link for explaining the "secret" codes of Acer: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=396320

 

Just look at this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=404383



At least in Poland there is a HD 4670 that obviously fits the (I)FL90.