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    HD3650 in ifl91

    Discussion in 'Other Manufacturers' started by Ayle, Sep 14, 2008.

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    I was finding it a bit hard to follow too ;)
     
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  2. Ayle

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    We'll never know :D But his card seems to work.
     
    Ayle, Jan 13, 2009
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    I wanted to buy 9600M GT but seller by mistake sent me 9600m GS. I sent card back and received this card wich is Quadro FX 770M. I made screenshot of gpuz and sent it to the seller and after few days he putet card on auction with my screenshot - look at the link from ebay from my previous post. He also checked card with Acer TravelMate 6593, which comes originally with a Mobility HD 3470 and it was perfectly upgraded.
    In the menu start I have submenu /Programs/nvidia corporation/performance drivers. I've never seen this menu with normal Geforces I'm using normal detonators 181.20
    http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menunk1.png
     

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    There are still people using IE6???
     
    Ayle, Jan 14, 2009
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    I use Opera
     
    rado32, Jan 14, 2009
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    rado32

    My IFL90 notebook have 8600M GT and I had overclocked it. Result new skore is highest than your new GPU :D

    Otherwise, my HD3650 GPU flash I think it crashed. I've not seen any picture on my laptop screen after when I flashed my modded vBios dump file. Because I was changed any blanks. I can't see any picture or anymore when windows restart. But fan is running properly so the little blue lamps are blinking up but I can't see any some Windows restarting logos when reset my laptop. Maybe if can I connect to external monitor to my laptop VGA output port, I'm thinking it'll be give me any screen when I restart my notebook from DOSBOOT usb stick and maybe after if I give some DOS post screen than I retry to load orjinal vBios dump file again into my HD3650 flash. :confused:

    So than I replaced my old 8600M GT. :(

    Who can help me?
     

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    Liberty
    Yes core 2 duo has a power, my laptop is very old "Gericom 1st supersonic pci-e" with weak processor -Pentium M [email protected] just one core. I think it's a good card for the future when I'll by new lap. With Acer Aspire 5710G with a T7400 cpu, Quadro FX 770M gets without o/c 10511 points in 3DMark05 and 5769 in 3DMark06.
    You don't need any monitor to flash card back to your oryginal bios just do it blindly. Put on your Dosboot usb disk program for flashing ati cards, oryginal bios and make "autoexec.bat" with correct options for flashing program.
     
    rado32, Jan 17, 2009
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  9. Ayle

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    Ouch. Did you backup your old bios?
     
    Ayle, Jan 23, 2009
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    My 8600gt in fl90 died on me last week, and no video signals... after 1 year and half of use. And, FOR ALL of you who still thinks that nvidia crap 9600gt is good...

    Take a look:

    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...le-macbook-pros-have-nvidia-bad-bump-material

    A company that simply always lies right in our faces, and get our hard earned bucks for crap products that don't last enough and broke...

    With my experience, I never will buy anything from nvidia again!!
     
    alp80, Jan 24, 2009
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  11. Ayle

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    Oh well, sucks for NV I guess. I can't wait for the HD4670 MXM-II to be available for purchase. If the 50% performance increase over the hd3670 is true that would crush the NV next generation chips as NV said the their mid range chips would have a 20% perfs increase over the previous generation(there is only so much you can do with a die shrink yet again...) :D
     
    Ayle, Jan 24, 2009
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    Ayle, hello, are you there? i have some questions and one thing to say for you i know your the last my chance
     
    etiko, Feb 1, 2009
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    hello , i have one idea to dump flash and reflash when vbios are integrated on system bios, i have discovery the method but im speak very bad english, do you see? lol, im from portugal if you can help me please answer-me i need realy help to made a tutorial!
     
    etiko, Feb 1, 2009
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  14. Ayle

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    What is your method?
     
    Ayle, Feb 3, 2009
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    Oh, i know similar way to do that, but only with IFL90 BIOS, and using Phoenix BIOS Editor v2.2

    I replace vBIOS on that, which I edit with Nibitor v4.8, but unfortunely - no success, my video memory, after that, can't work on 510MHz with normal timings, only on 450 - I don't know what i do wrong. I also use anoter firmware, but all are similar, at first, I use the firmware from BIOS(main/System). My aim was to change default clocks/timings.
    Does anybody try to do such replesement of the vBIOS on IFL90?
    my current videocard is 8600m GT, and i want find out all about MXM upgrade on 9600m GT, and improove problems

    PS. Does anyone have still ifl90 and 9600m GT?
    PPS. Sorry for mistakes)
     
    Physics2007, Feb 9, 2009
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  17. Ayle

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    So far only engineering samples seem to work...
     
    Ayle, Feb 10, 2009
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    Why do you think so?
     
    Physics2007, Feb 10, 2009
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  19. Ayle

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    Because jernkar card didn't work, and the only person that got his working here had an engineering sample, and those are not locked to anything since they are made for testing.
     
    Ayle, Feb 10, 2009
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    Who is this person?
    and where can i find an engeneering sample of 9600m GT - dont you know?
     
    Physics2007, Feb 11, 2009
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  21. Ayle

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    Been following this thread for a while. I too am the (not so proud) owner of a Compal barebone, namely the JFL92, with a 8600M GT furnace attached (88°C? Come on!). Already replaced the heat stickers with Arctic Silver thermal paste, to no result... the HD 3650 didn't seem much of an improvement, I was hoping to get a 9600M GT or Quadro 770M, but at 199.99 at its lowest, it was too much for my underpaid and overtaxed self.

    I finally managed to get my hands on a HD2600XT pulled from a Gateway laptop, do you think I might have a chance with it? The size is right, mounting seems OK, but I still have some doubts... how does the stock 8600 work without its own bios? Will this have any impact when I try the new card on? Ayle's reports have made me somewhat optimistic though.
     
    p_mor, Feb 25, 2009
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  23. Ayle

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    It should work as long as it's MXM-II and the bios is not finicky. It's not that the 8600m doesn't have a bios but it doesn't reside on the actual card. They put it in the main system bios. It won't affect the new card as it is tied to the 8600m device ID.
     
    Ayle, Feb 26, 2009
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    That's the reason I'm worried, wouldn't the "resident" video bios conflict with the card bios somehow?

    Already tried editing the bios with Phoenix BIOS Editor, but I can't seem to find that darn video section, I've always been curious about how the video bios is "embedded" in the system bios.

    Thanks for the reply, Ayle.

    EDIT - It's MXM-II alright, the dimensions are exactly the same as the 8600's. I checked and rechecked, that thread about the 9600 heatsink mod due to the memory chips made me tremble, my motor skills are inadequate, to say the least, to try sawing or filing metal...
     
    p_mor, Feb 27, 2009
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  25. Ayle

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    You only need to mod the heatsink if the big grey thing on the card(i still don't know what it is) prevents the heatsink from contacting with the gpu.
     
    Ayle, Feb 27, 2009
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    Ok, so i'm confused...
    If i get a 9600m GT from a MSI 1651, what will i have to do to get it to work?

    EDIT: this is in a JHL92
     
    aan310, Mar 7, 2009
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  27. Ayle

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    Do you already have the card?
     
    Ayle, Mar 7, 2009
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    not yet, i just want to know the steps before hand

    it will be pulled from a MSI 1651
     
    aan310, Mar 8, 2009
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    I'm still waiting for my 2600XT to arrive, and in the meantime have won a Quadro FX 770M on ebay, much to my surprise. I'll update as soon as I get them.

    Would any of you recommend any LCD panels in particular, my Chunghwa just began showing those stuck pixels lines, and the monitor was next in line, it's the last upgradeable item on my JFL92. Any suggestions?
     
    p_mor, Mar 8, 2009
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    so out of all the cards that we know work, which require no heatsink modification?

    Also, can some one lay out the steps for installing a 9600m GT?
     
    aan310, Mar 8, 2009
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  31. Ayle

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    IT will be a pretty safe bet to assume that it will require modification.
     
    Ayle, Mar 10, 2009
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    like bending mods, or like just adding some copper?
    So what cards work w/o a reflash and which work with a flash?
     
    aan310, Mar 10, 2009
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  33. Ayle

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    Nah adding copper is not necessary but you might need to dremel/file the indentation on the heatsink if the capacitor(I think) of the new card is too large.
    My hd3650 worked without flashing. The only flashing needed was because the clocks were incorrect in the original bios. Engineering samples don't need flashing either but they don't work correctly. So you might get lucky with that 770m and don't need any flashing.
     
    Ayle, Mar 10, 2009
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    Alright, i might look into a 3650 (maybe a 4650 :p)
     
    aan310, Mar 10, 2009
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    Good luck.
     
    Ayle, Mar 11, 2009
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    Ok, so basically i'm 90% sure im getting a 9600m GT Gddr3


    So... success rate?
    actual steps/vbios needed?
    Thanks!
     
    aan310, Mar 11, 2009
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    yes the heatsink will be modded slightly. not a huge deal though. but its always a question of if you have to flash it or not to the msi vbios. etc..
     
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  38. Dirt

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    I'm getting 4650 when it comes out, ATI/AMD is known for not cutting their mobile GPU versions and if it performs just like desktop one, than it's a sure win. Small inconveniencies with textures and filtering methods in drivers isn’t as close as nviadia’s hardware failure.
     
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    ^I plan on following the same path. For me, the 8600m has been reliable and a decent performer, but the limited bandwidth is getting annoying, and I'm not quite sure how long it's going to last. Plus, it would be a deceent performance upgrade amongst others I plan on making. I just hope that we can flash the 4650 to work on the IFL90, or better yet, not have to flash at all.
     
    Azone, Mar 13, 2009
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  40. Ayle

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    And where exactly are you planning to find that card?
     
    Ayle, Mar 14, 2009
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    Yes, since NVidia dropped the MXM-II standard, I don't see why ATI wouldn't follow the same path. But I've been mistaken many times before...
     
    p_mor, Mar 16, 2009
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  42. Ayle

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    Did you receive the cards?
     
    Ayle, Mar 21, 2009
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    no i decided not to buy it, because due to how hot the GFX gets already, i'm not really feeling like putting more money into the laptop with a chance of it not even working (the card in the laptop that is)
     
    aan310, Mar 21, 2009
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  44. Ayle

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    Too bad. the 8600m run hot by design, newer cards definitely run much much more cooler, temps wise the difference between my hd3650 and the 8600m is like night and day...
     
    Ayle, Mar 22, 2009
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    ik, but who ever had the thread about the 9600 running at like 70idle and high 80's load is the temps i'm already getting.
    Idk, it's still considered, but the fact that i have to flash the card and it might never work, i might just be tossing money away :(
     
    aan310, Mar 22, 2009
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    Weren't you the one the one who said you also had a hd2600 in hand? I might be confusing you with someone else :p .
     
    Ayle, Mar 22, 2009
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    you are (10char)
     
    aan310, Mar 22, 2009
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    Uh oh... My overclocking fever fried the hd3650...
     
    Ayle, Mar 25, 2009
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    Ah, I'm sorry to hear that Ayle. How did that happened, care to share it with us. I thought that ATI cards don't suffer so much from these temp issues.
     
    grbac, Mar 26, 2009
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    He simply overloaded circuits with constant max OC. It's normal to do that while temps are kept below 65 degrees or so.
    Well, I'm starting to learn my lesson; laptops aren't designed for working, not for gaming and OC world records. You use desktop with some massive cooling for that. :)
     
    Dirt, Mar 26, 2009
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