How to: Replace your broken (8600M GT) graphics card (in the [I]FL90)

Hi Dr.Colossos, :hi2:

it WORKS :thumbsup:

I have baking the the old Card before, but the card was already dead and never wake up again.


So i test it with the new HD3470 Card and it works like a charm.

I have repaird two FL90, all two works well.

Many thanks Dr.Colossos :thumbsup:

best regards from Austria

 

Baaast scho', vü Spass nu mit deine Laptops!

 

Hello again,
regarding to my last post, I have baked my 8600GT and it got worse, before that I had only a white screen, after baking it in the oven for 10minutes@180ºC with pre-heating the oven, the VGA didn't did anything after that... after pressing power button the fan spinned for a second and then stopped, nothing on the screen...

Although not everything is bad, I have ordered the HD3650 512Mb from mokkin in eBay and it's working very well!!!!

The only issue I had was the drivers, I couldn't find a compatible driver for windows XP, so I had to install windows 7 and with propper drivers is working like never before! Surfing in the web I have temperatures of 55ºC and when playing for about 1h I have temperatures of 62-63ºC, mutch less than with 8600GT!!! and I didn't find the performance nothing less than the 8600GT with the games I have tried.

I really have to thank you Dr. Colossos for having this post, I believe that if weren't you my laptop would be dead at this moment!
Later I will post here some pictures of it.

 

@Aerofan PT

use the Mobility Modder for XP :
Mobility Modder - ATI Version, Install the Latest Drivers on your ATI laptop

@Dr.Colossos

Servus, wo bist'n her?
Ich aus Wels Land

 

Great to hear that, congratulations!

And I would prefer Windows 7 over XP anyway, after all, XP is 10 years old by now, so it's really time for a change - and other than Windows Vista, Windows 7 is a solid operating system.

Bin Passauer, Niederbayern - auf da ander'n Seiten vom Inn - aber meine Freundin kommt aus Grieskirchen, d.h. bin scho oft sehr nah an Wööös

Serwas

 

Ok, I done it.

I installed HD3650 512MB (.004 version) and from one year I saw the monitor - this is good news and only one good news.





I can get to BIOS but I can't change anything. After about 30 sec I see bug on the bios screen:



I turn off it. I inpud HDD and DVD - Windows has started. But once again, after 1 min from time I start computer I see bug and again fast turn computer off.



Ow, and I have problem with Broadcom. After first screen I see info that PXE-E61: Media test failure, check cable
PXE- M0F: Exiting Broadcom PXE ROM
Touchpad also doesn't work, finger priint scanner too.

Any ideas what I did wrong?
I don't have much time to check temperatures in Windows (at BIOS I can't do it).
Should I update BIOS, I reffer to not do it (I never done it).
Could this be something with thermal paste (to few?). I suppose I didn't connect everything right or maybe LAN card burned or the antenas from Wi-fi (their are connected).

 

Looks okay!

Looks great!

.
Okay, you cannot change anything on first BIOS screen, hit right (->) key, on that screen you can change stuff - but no need to do so. Here, it looks either like a bad cable or heat problem.

This is just the boot order that is "wrong" - it first tries to boot via LAN, and that does not work, as you do not have a LAN cable connected and no boot image is loaded via LAN - go to BIOS and change boot order so that it boots first from HDD.

Double, triple check your cables and connectors - either that or they are damaged ...

Get GPU-Z - but without drivers, it might not get you a temperature reading ... but try that, maybe. It could be a temperature problem.

You have 1.12, 1.18 is the latest stable . but I would not unless nothing else worked.

Yes, even too much can be a problem - but what I see from your photos, all looks good.

I doubt that, this should not cause any problems (of that kind) - of course, there's always the chance that the new card has a fault, too ...

Double, triple check your connections. Than try to get a temperature reading from your graphics card, using GPU-Z.

If they are okay - after booting, at max. 70° (artifacts like yours would start at around 100°), we can discuss next steps.

Good Luck!

As the problem starts after some time, I think it is a temperature problem.

One more thing, I saw you only assembled it partially:
But be sure to never have the battery in there, when reassembling just partially, it might destroy your mainboard and/or battery!

Good luck!

 

Dr.Colossos
I don't use battery. When everything is ready and plug in power cable.
But what should I do?
The artefacts are shown after some time. There are more and more of them and I always turn off power - I'm scared that the card will burn.
So i suppose I shoud prepade GPU-Z at pendrive and after windows starts fast instak it and check temperatures before the artefacts are on the screen?

 

Dr.Colossos >
As I said artefacts doesn't show after I start laptop. Today their appear about 1 min 30 sec later.



Here is the thing: GPU-Z doesn't see the card:





The card is damaged? The mainboard is damaged? What the hell is going on? :/

 

Hi Alex,

okay, if it takes 90 seconds for the artifacts to show up, I am quite sure it is temperature related.

The reason that you do not see anything on the GPU-Z screen is, that you do not have a driver installed - I see you are using XP.

Unfortunately, this ATI card is not really supported on XP - for it to work, you need modded drivers ... see section 4. in my guide on the first page:

4. Drivers
[...]
For Windows XP, things didn't go so smooth, as you need modded drivers - but again, it's not hard to do!
Go to the Mobility Modder site and scroll down to Installation step by step guide and follow these simple steps.
After that, your system should have the latest drivers.

As alternative, try maybe Windows 7 ... do you have access to Windows 7 - or maybe even try Windows 8, you can download and use it for free at the moment, for one month or so ... you only need it for 1 minute

Good luck

 

I was able to install drivers - and that's one good news This time no artefacts I saw. It was about 4-5 minutes. I have to re-boot laptop after installing and... I saw black screen. The thermal module was hot (CPU and graphic card - the FAN was working). So i suppose heat goes from GPU to thermal module. I'm worried: why the screen is off - because of tepmeratures?

So I'm now waiting for laptop to cool and I'm going to re-run it and finally check GPU-0 temperatures.

Dr. > Thanks for your every comment and support.

EDIT: SCreen is off all the time :/ The card crush? I suppose I have to disassemble all laptop to check it out?

 

Crap - is the screen of from the beginning? Meaning, do you see POST messages (white letters on black screen at start-up), or BIOS logo - or BIOS menu?

Or is all black? Or only when starting to boot Windows?

Can you check via external monitor?

Good luck!

 

Dr.Colossos
Laptop screen is black from the beginning. No bios screen - nothing.
And I don't know that you notice how this happened: I started laptop, I have no(!) artefacts, not at all. I install drivers (that I have from the card seller), the instalation program please to re-boot, I done it, and after re-boot the screen was black and never turn on again to this moment. The driver version is: 8.522-080731a-067975C-ATI

Here is info from ini file:

I check other monitor. The LED at monitor turns green, the screen starts on black color - you know difference between monitor off and monitor on with black screen. But nothing more.

I hate this situation. My pall said that something is wrong with connection, that I should check all connections - maybe some dust get simewere. Or of course card is broken from the beginning. As you said thermal paste "looks good".
I'm tired with this (my wife too ). I really tired with this .

 

Hmmm - all black is bad ...

I can understand that you are tired of this.

One question - do you hear it boot (before)? Meaning, with XP, there is that sound on start up ---- taaaaaddddddaaaa You know what I mean?

Did you hear that before? Do you still hear it, even with the black screen? It might take longer now, when not being shut down properly there is that 30 second count-down before windows starts booting - you may press "enter" once and a while? Does the HDD LED blink? That would mean it is reading from the HDD.

Do you have two RAM slots in there? Remove one, restart, if it fails, remove the first, insert the second. Maybe your RAM went bad.

Other than that, your pal might be right too - recheck each connection.

Finally, tell your wife I said "hi" :hi2:

Godd luck!

 

Yeah. I have a password and fingerprint reader doesn't worked but after 8600M was damaged I didn't hear sound. I press Enter, I type down password and nothing. This time too - there is now sound, but HDD is working, I can hear it.
I didn't connect LED panel so I can't see is it blinking but as I said I hear HDD working.

Yesy, I have two RAM. Great tip, I will check it with my pal after we recheck everythin - dissamble al laptop and put it together one more time.

Thanks a lot

 

Hmm, if HDD is working, your RAM will, too. Because without RAM, or damaged RAM, it would not boot at all.

So, I guess, you have yet another damaged GPU - I even dare to say it was damaged from the very start, because as it looks, you reassembled it very well, with thermal paste and the heat sink sitting perfectly on the card.

Where do you have it from? Can you return it?

At this point, I would really consider selling it for parts. If you sell each part individually, you still could get around 100€ for it ... as a whole, 50-75€, depending on the components you have in there.

Sorry, but at this point, I am out of ideas, other than that you were really unlucky - too bad

Btw, where do you live if I may ask?

Cheers

 

Dr.Colossos
I live in Poland.
Yes, GPU has sellers warranty and he already told me to return it.
If I will have time I disassembly laptop and send him back GPU. If I have no time I will disassembly it on weekend and re-check everything with my pal... and then probably send it back.
I'm pretty sure that the card wasn't good from the beggining... I'm not an expert, noither rookie - I'm dealing with computers from 15 years
This FL90 is for my wife.. and of course for me to play older games (released 2004 - 2009) and that's why I want XP on FL90 .
Thanks a lot for your help.

 

Okay, if you need more help, jut post - i check back here normally every one or two days.

Good luck!

 

I have Asus V1series laptop Cpu intel t5750 duo 2ghz 2mb l2,
2gb memory
and its video card(8600m gt 512mb) is going to end(already oven). So I want to buy a new one maby gf 9600m gt ?
But I am not sure that it will work and will be normaly cool, because it has same GPU and CPU cooler, and Idle cpu temp is about 60C ... Can you tell me which are available video cards for my laptop.
Please recommendations.

 

Sorry, you may want to try to ask this question over at the ASUS forum - this is Compal forum, so people here will probably not be able to help you. I know, I can't - other than say, give it a try if you are keen enough, otherwise, let it be.

Good luck!

 

Hi Dr Colossos

Thanks very much for the guide. Can I just ask, what symptoms did you have when you replaced the GPU? I've got a FL92 with which the screen went blank two years ago. Alas I was in the middle of a serious bit of work at the time and just had to buy a replacement laptop and rip out the hard drive.

To treat myself though, I went through the motions of getting a 50 quid ATI card (the 3400) and have just whacked it in, in place of the old NVidia. Had no trouble doing this, but was dismayed to find that the screen is still a no go (this is on the laptop and the external, just don't get any image at all, though the laptop is making all indications that it's booting, HDD light is going, the CD is polled and suchlike).

Therefore, given this thread is realllllly long now, I just wondered if anything rang any bells, as it's a bit gutting that I've perhaps misdiagnosed the problem!!?!? Tried swapping the RAM out as well, no joy there.

Again, thanks for a wicked guide, I've been tinkering with computers a long time but it's always great to see something put together really nicely to help peeps out, and it's always reassuring knowing that people have had the same or similar problems!

 

Well, black screen both internally and externally sure makes me think the video card is faulty.

Hmmm, you say you think it boots properly after replacing the GPU - do you hear the Windows (or any other OSes) startup sound?

Of course, you can always be damned unlucky, and the replacement card is broken. Also, there could be a fault on the mainboard.

My first step would be to find out, if it is really booting, then go from there.

Sorry for not being much of help.

Ahhh, did you bake the 8600M GT that was in there before? This is always the first step. If you don't know what I mean, re-read my very first post.

Good luck

 

Yeah I thought it indicated that too. I don't hear the windows sound but that's to be expected, I turn all sound off in Windows as a rule (kicking myself now of course)...

I'll give the baking a go, to be honest I just decided to give the replacement a go on a whim as it's been a year and a half since it went kablooey. Will try that out .

Glad to hear it sounds like the GPU in your opinion. Will try a few other things and potentially give up if it doesn't work, it's long since been replaced and it had a good life...

Learnt my lesson about not trying the cheaper option first

Thanks again!

James

 

Yeah, I at least would try baking - good luck!

 

I have asus notebook, with broken 8600m gt (monitor not turning on), and asus mxm ii vga are much more expensive, becouse of difernt reverse slot, so I wonder if I can put an acer video card reversed change its bios and made made special cooler for it. Is it posible to wok?
Sorry if i wrote in the wrong topic. Thanks for your answers.

 

Well, you might want to ask that in the Asus forums. All I know is that Asus cards also are having custom BIOS and even might need some soldering to get that to work - but I do not know that for sure!

Did you try to bake the card, as described in the very first post? That would be the first thing to try. Maybe it is not the video card after all (however, this would be my first guess, too).

Good luck

 

Hello, Recently my 8600m gt broke and I baked it, it worked for a bit but now it's completely broken. I found that ATI 3650 on some auction service but it is from lenovo y730, it looks slightly different (here are pics Photo Album - Imgur) and i just want to be sure if it will fit into my compal before buying.

Thanks

Martin

 

Hard to tell - I would not be surprised if it DOES NOT work - Lenovo/IBM are known to make those thing proprietary.

I'd look for something out of an Acer.

Good luck!

 

So I have other option but this guy is saying that it's not working with his compal because of bios. If i understand well it's something that can be dealt with and should be safe option, right?

Thanks

Martin

 

Ehhm, not sure if I understand you correct ... you say the other guy says it won't work, but you think a BIOS update will make it work?

I would not be too sure, actually, not sure at all, that this is true.

If he says it won't work, I'd rather believe him.

If it is really meant to work in an IBM/Lenovo laptop, chances are very very high that it will not work, even after updating BIOS.

Go with an Acer card, it's the safest choice.

Good Luck!

 

Sorry I didn't specify this. I'm talking about other card which is made by ATI and meant to be used in Acer (imported form China). Am I too paranoid?

Thanks

Martin

 

Yep, Acer cards should work. Of course, there is no guarantee, but it's the best option you have.

May I ask which card it is? ATI 3400/3450/3470 are very compatible, 3650, 4570, too.

Good luck.!

 

It is ATI 3650 256MB. So there shouldn't be any problems with bios that couldn't be dealt with? I think I'll get it anyway, because I will be able to send it back if it won't work.

Thanks

Martin

 

ATI 3650 256MB you say?

That might be 256MB DDR3, then it might be one from a HP laptop, and might, again, not work. Just look around for reports of trying ATI 3650 DDR3 in the FL90 - it worked for some, but not for others.

Do you happen to have a link?

If you can return it, well then nothing to loose.

Good luck!

 

It's in polish, but here your are: 3650.
All I know is this card worked for my friend.

Thanks

Martin

 

Well, if it worked for your friend in an FL90 and you can return it, go for it.

Good luck!

 

Hi Dr Colossos.

I need your help.
My bro have a fujitsu amilo xi 2528 notebook and the graphics card died.
The problem is that the card is not like the other mxm cards.
This card is like this: (1st, 2nd, 3rd photos)

pcb vga nb8p 256mb -

How this connection type called?
What can i do to change/upgrade this card?
I dont wont to use nvidia 8600 again.
Any proposal?

Thanks in advance.

 

Hi,

sorry, I am not the general-purpose-GPU-go-to-guy. It's proprietary, non-standard stuff. You might wanna look at ebay, but changes are high you only get another 8400/8600 NVIDIA chip that will fail sooner or later.

You might wanna try the oven-trick to revive the card for another stint - use that time to test it and make a few shots an put it in parts on ebay.

Worth in total around 200€ I'd say, as one piece around 100€.

I would not try to repair it.

You may wanna try the FJS sub-forum more help.

Good luck

 

Thanks for the reply. I appreciate.

I'll try to revive the card and see the results.

Thanks anyway!

 

Hello again,
After reinstalling my system I have the problem of high temperatures on gpu and cpu resulting in shutting my laptop off. I noticed that this occurs when I have HWMonitor turned on, but I don't know if I'm right. Is there anything I can do? Change bios version, downclock gpu?

http://imgur.com/1pd6K

Thanks

Martin

 

Did you reapply heat paste?

Is it during gaming, or other CPU/GPU intense work?

Log temps to file (there is an option in GPU-Z, also in CoreTemp), and post the temps here after it shut down again.

Good luck

 

Yes I did reapply heat paste. The first time it was during gaming, then it shut off when I was just browsing the internet (each time HWMonitor was on). Today everything seems to work perfectly, during gaming and other activities - without HWMonitor turned on. I will come back with temp log if anything happens again.

Thanks for now

Martin

 

Hi, I own a Computer Repair shop and i have 2 Compal FL90 to fix with damaged GPU.

I'm tempted to get this model:

ATI Mobility Radeon HD4670 1GB DDR3 MXM A

Do you think it will work or should i get a different one to be safe?

Best regards,
Paulo Brinca.

 

This is an MXM-A card you have linked, these will not fit - you need ATI cards with MXM-II connector, like ATI 3400/3450/3470, 4570, 3650, 4650, 4670.

Look here to see the different connectors -> http://forum.notebookreview.com/acer/396320-acer-mxm-models-cards.html#post5044011

For a cheap repair, very reliable but not meant for gaming, get one from the 34XX series.

Good luck

 

Begreat, the FL90 cooling can't handle the heat of the 4670. Unless you hang an extra fan off the computer all the time, I would suggest one of the lower-end cards instead.

 

Okay, one month ago, my 4650 went dead - while idleing.

Got a half-broken 8730G, and pulled its 4650.

Reinserted into the FL90, all went smooth - but temps are real high.

With the old one, I was in 60's while idleing, upper 80's under full load.

With this one, I am already in upper 70's when idleing!

I undervolted and underclocked it to run in 2D and 3D in 300/500 with 0.9 Volts, and I am still in mid 60's.

With my first card, I used a head pad from mxm-upgrade, now I already tried some heat-paste from mxm-upgrade (quite old, was a left-over), a heat pad from ebay, and Zalman STG1 paste. All with pretty much the same outcome.

I am not sure if I actually take it apart once more, but maybe someone has a good pointer on good heat pads/paste, or has another trick to get the temps down ... I am out of ideas.

Thanks

 

Hi, i have instaled a HD3650 512 but only show me in BIOS 256, how can i solve this ?

 

Forget what BIOS tells you - this might be hard coded or wrong.

Check what GPU-Z tells you, if it says 512MB, you are good.

Good Luck

 

Its only working in PCI-E 1.1 ...

 

I could be wrong, but I think it's at x16 (times 16, which is good/normal/okay)

See here -> http://forum.notebookreview.com/com...m-gt-graphics-card-i-fl90-11.html#post7868182

It's PCI link (version?) 1.1 ... as I said, I could be wrong ... don't have a windows laptop here right now to check latest GPU-Z, but why not click on the "?" symbol and see what it tells you.

Anyway, you get 15.8 Gbit/s, which is normal for this card. How's game performance, I mean, does it feel slower? How a FurMark benchmarks? Remember, you are using a card that is 5 years old, don't except wonders.

Good luck