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    *OFFICIAL* Gateway Creator Series Model: GWTN156-3 i5-10300H W/ RTX 2060

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    GWTN156-3 | Gateway USA | Laptops | Ultra Slim | Gateway

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    15.6" FHD Performance Notebook
    Model: GWTN156-3

    The Gateway Creator Series 15.6" Performance Notebook is a powerhouse equipped with 10th Gen Intel i5 and an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 allowing you to game with ease or breeze through you daily tasks. The Tuned by THX display screens provide rich, vibrant colors and better contrast and are paired with the Tuned by THX Audio which lets you experience the theater level quality while in the convenience of your home. During gaming, you will feel like you are in the center of the action with the THX Spatial audio software which provides stereo and spatial surround sound through headphones by simulating a 7.1 surround sound.

    • Windows 10 Home
    • 10th Gen Intel® Core™ i5-10300H Processor (2.5GHz, Up to 4.5GHz, 8M Cache)
    • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB vRAM
    • Tuned by THX™ Audio & Display
    • 256 GB Solid State Drive
    • 8 GB Onboard RAM
    Available Colors

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    Inside Box


    Product Dimensions

    Length: 14.8”

    Height: 9.6”

    Width: 0.8"

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    Gateway Laptop

    Laptop Charger

    Warranty Book

    Quick Start Guide

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    Product Specs
    Processor

    10th Gen Intel® Core™ i5-10300H Processor (2.5GHz, Up to 4.5GHz, 8M Cache)

    Display

    15.6” LCD IPS Display, (1920 x 1080), 120Hz

    Hard Drive

    256 GB Solid State Drive

    Micro SD

    Micro SD Slot (Up to 512 GB) x 1

    Speakers

    Built-in Stereo Speakers x 2

    Front Camera

    1MP Front-Facing Camera

    Battery Life

    Up to 8.5 hours of battery life

    RAM Memory

    8 GB Onboard RAM

    Ports

    USB 2.0 x 1 USB 3.0 x 1

    Microphone

    Built-in Microphone

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    Main Features
    Windows 10 Home
    Tuned by THX™ Audio
    Tuned by THX Disaply
    Built-in Microphone
    Built-in Stereo Speakers x 2
    Up to 5 hours of battery life

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    Take it Anywhere
    THE GATEWAY CREATOR SERIES 15.6" PERFORMANCE NOTEBOOK IS A POWERHOUSE EQUIPPED WITH 10TH GEN INTEL I5 AND AN NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 ALLOWING YOU TO GAME WITH EASE OR BREEZE THROUGH YOU DAILY TASKS. THE TUNED BY THX DISPLAY SCREENS PROVIDE RICH, VIBRANT COLORS AND BETTER CONTRAST AND ARE PAIRED WITH THE TUNED BY THX AUDIO WHICH LETS YOU EXPERIENCE THE THEATER LEVEL QUALITY WHILE IN THE CONVENIENCE OF YOUR HOME. DURING GAMING, YOU WILL FEEL LIKE YOU ARE IN THE CENTER OF THE ACTION WITH THE THX SPATIAL AUDIO SOFTWARE WHICH PROVIDES STEREO AND SPATIAL SURROUND SOUND THROUGH HEADPHONES BY SIMULATING A 7.1 SURROUND SOUND.


    If you are thinking of getting one of these laptops, they can sometimes be found here refurbished for $699. http://www.walmart.com/ip/Refurbish...8GB-RAM-256GB-SSD-Win-10-Home-Black/267306293


    This is a great unboxing and review of the laptop with a look inside. Gateway Creator Series 15.6" Performance Notebook: Yes, They're Back... - YouTube upload_2021-3-19_9-28-49.jpeg


    MUX switch is located under the “advanced” tab in the bios. Enabling the dGPU only will enable more options in the Nvidia control panel.


    Undervolting is also located in the advanced section of the bios. (capped at –50)


    Recovery has the ability to install from the internet as well as the local partition. This is something I haven't seen since owning a MacBook a decade ago.


    This is a great thread started by hertzian56 with tons of useful info. Gateway Creators Series 15.6" RTX 2060 i5-10300H | NotebookReview

    Drivers can be found here thanks to Catlas_Se7en from Reddit: https://help.maingear.com/article/68-maingear-vector-2020-drivers-and-bios-downloads

    Drivers can also be found here: Eluktronics RP-15 Laptop Review: The Ryzen 7 4800H Impresses Yet Again - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

    I've also stumbled upon this thread which refers to a chassis/model similar to this: TONGFANG GK5CN5Z / GK5CN6Z / GK5CQ7Z / GK5CP0Z | NotebookReview

    This is a review of the Ryzen version assembled by Eluktronics: Eluktronics RP-15 Laptop Review: The Ryzen 7 4800H Impresses Yet Again - NotebookCheck.net Reviews.

    Thanks to Plane_John for this thread that contains a lot of information. Gateway Creator 15.6” Performance Notebook i5/RTX2060 First Impressions : GamingLaptops (reddit.com)

    This thread has a lot of information that's very helpful. https://slickdeals.net/f/14537105-g...tx-2060-649-free-shipping?page=32#commentsBox

    GPU is Nvidia and panel is FreeSync.

    Time Spy with directx 12 upgrade:

    Combined score: 6,243
    Graphics Score
    6,721
    CPU Score
    4,452

    CyberPunk 2077
    high with ray tracing and dlss around 50 FPS
    the adjustable bar for quality was only 3 ticks lower than max.
     
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    Decided to mess the BIOS & EC, unfortunately, GatewayUSA does not provide their own files. The system came stock with N1.02. I decided to install the BIOS & EC from XMG's Intel Core 15 which has an i7 over an i5. But the same chassis. The BIOS is N1.03 and actually enabled some additional features. The boot logo of course changed, but the only issue I am now experiencing is that I didn't realize (my fault) that the XMG model has a different Media/FN key layout, so the EC update remapped the FN keys. So f11 which is normally Brightness Down on the Gateway is Airplane mode on the XMG. This is slightly annoying, but liveable, so hopefully, I can revert back to the Gateway EC (Can't find a copy of it) to restore the proper mappings.

    Also, the Performance profile button next to the power button has been remapped to a fan boost button. Everything else is working great with no issues.

    These were the files I used:
    Bios-XMG_CORE_XCO15E20_XCO17E20_RTX2060_BIOS_N1.03
    Bios-CORE-15_XCO15E20_GK5MR0O_RTX2060_EC_11.630
     
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    Sir,

    I wonder how we would obtain the factory bios. I'm still hoping that they make drivers available to us since the laptop has sold so well. Did you notice performance differences or fan differences when flashing a new EC?
     
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    I was able to get the factory EC and BIOS for the Gateway I will be keeping the XMG bios but using the Gateway EMC to get my propper media keys back.

    3BK_intel_CML_10L_GK5MR0O_ESI_BIOS_N.1.02_EC_1.16.20_20200810.zip (dropbox.com)
     
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    Has anyone been able to unlock the bios and see perhaps if we can squeeze some more power out of the GPU?
     
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    I have not. If there is one, it will most likely belong to the equivalent models rebranded by other distributors. According to user yrekabakery the equivalent is the MB-15 from Eluktronics. Please let us know if you find something useful.
     
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    You may want to search the techpowerup site using google, that site has terrible search, there are MSI etc vbios that seem to unlock it, those are most likely higher end systems with better cooling though. There's a thread here in the gaming section about the 2060 vbios with more info. Not worth the risk to me though. @Jimbo Mahoney

    https://www.win-raid.com/t5087f16-Requesting-a-modded-vbios-for-Rtx-max-Q-1.html

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...f-eluktronics-max-2060-115w-tdp.831742/page-4
     
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    Thank you all for this informative post. So, I've been able update the vBIOS with this:

    https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/225910/225910

    More on that later.

    This is what I've done before updating the vBIOS:
    • 50 millivolt undervolt (thanks HardwareSense ).
    • Disabled the integrated GPU via the BIOS.
    • Installed a 1TB PCIe NVMe drive.
    • Added an additional matching Crucial 8GB of DDR4 3200 RAM for a total of 16GB. (I ended up selling the 16GB's and upgrading to 32GB later)
    • Used MSI Afterburner to overclock the GPU to +190 core clock and +500 memory clock.
    • Installed Elucktronic's Control Center (same chassis and newer than what came on the GWTN156-3BK).
    • Uninstalled Norton.
    • Set the Power Management Mode in 3D Settings on the Nvidia Control Panel to Adaptive.
    • Set power mode in Windows to Best Performance.
    • Followed Tech Yes City's "How To SPEED UP Windows 10".
    • Enabled Wake On LAN in the BIOS and the network card.
    Regarding the overclock- I basically set the memory clock to +500 and then started increasing the core clock until MSI Kombuster 4 detected artifacts during a stress test. +210 is where it started producing artifacts, so I felt +190 was conservative. In monitoring temps, they never left the 60's. During a +1 hour VR MS Flight Sim run in 21°C/70°F ambient temps these were the highest values I saw on the GPU via GPU-z logging:
    • GPU Clock 1800.0 MHz
    • Memory Clock 1500.2 MHz
    • GPU Temperature 66.9°C
    • Hot Spot 76.4 °C
    • GPU Load 99%
    • Board Power Draw 97.5W (exceptional, hardly ever is above 90W)
    This was my TimSpy results with those modifications:
    Total: 6,592
    Graphics Score: 7,197
    CPU Score: 4,467
    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/60077974?

    After I updated the vBIOS with the 115 watt variant I reinstalled my NVidia drivers and ran TimeSpy again with after verifying that the same overclock is solid:
    Total: 6,881
    Graphics Score: 7,264
    CPU Score: 5,300
    https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/61079616

    So, that is not a hugely better GPU score.

    In using GPU-Z to log temp data during MSFS 2020 I see that my GPU temps now go up to 78°C. I've also verified that the Board Power Draw is in the 115 watt range.

    As far as ports, the HDMI works great, but the one of the DP ports can't go higher than 1080P and the other doesn't respond. Upgrading to the 115 watt vBIOS for a basically unnoticeable performance increase with ~10°C higher temps doesn't seem worth it to me.
     
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    Thanks for the information. You may want to try some of the other vbios in the other thread, hard to believe almost no benefit in the synthetic benches. If you can set gpuz to record the max power draw to confirm 115w is being pulled, during high level gaming mostly. I've seen up to 96w during cyberpunk. I suspcted the dps would be effected. I'd do a search using the vbios 90xxx of what you have to get a model of what laptop it came from then find what I/O's it has, but I'm pretty sure dual DPs are unique to this gw. I haven't run a bench with my OC of 160/500 to see what difference that gets. 25W should buy you about 8% according to a techplanet article about the 115w 2060. I suspect the extra memory got you a bit too.

    I get 5-20%, depending on the game, just with the dgpu only setting from my games benchmarks. Try game benches they are more accurate/relevant, like Gears 5, ACod, HZD and any other game that have a built in benchmark. Good to see it can be done safely. You probably want to set the power mode in NCP to prefer maximum.
     
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    I've verified that the Board Power Draw is in the 115 watt range. It has nearly no delay in ramping up to there.

    I actually am just a sim gamer and get my data from GPU-Z logging with MSFS2020. That’s where I’m getting

    Done. No appreciable difference.

    I think my results are typical. Judging from these TimeSpy results:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/gz23yj/max_15_wrtx_2060_benchmarks/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/lwbb55/msi_gs66_rtx_2060_refresh_i7_10750h_time_spy/

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-2060-Laptop-Graphics-Card.384946.0.html

    I think my card is performing about where it should be. I don’t know if trying other vBIOS would be worth the time.
     
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    That's all too bad, hopefully we can get other more typical user reports about it, just doesn't seem like that's the whole story. 25w should absolutely get you more than that. Synthetic benches are good but don't give the full picture. For example just switching to dgpu I got +22% gpu score in passmark, but almost nothing in the ul/3dmark stuff, but got 5-18% in the three games mentioned using their benchmarks. I'm all at stock other than the MSIAB OC. So games benches would be the best way to make relevant conclusions, we're not interested for non-gaming. I saw the largest benefit, %18, in a CPU game ACod and 5-10% in gpu games like Gears5 and HZD. This is all FPS benefit btw. That's an odd vbios as well, recently uploaded from an HP? weird. At least we have some info though.
     
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    UPDATE! I actually ran windows update prior to updating the vBIOS, and installed KB5001330. That update apparently has been causing issues with game performance:

    https://www.pcgamer.com/the-windows-10-update-thats-been-trashing-framerates-has-been-fixed/

    I uninstalled that update, restarted, and jumped into MSFS 2020. Surprisingly the game ran better. The biggest difference was way fewer drops in performance during particularly taxing sections of the game. When flying through canyons, and close canyon walls I would see stuttering when turning my head. That appears to have smoothed out completely. The frame rates are much more consistent.

    This is a GPU-Z log while playing with a little bit of a break in the middle.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s__sGZJF_jONBs2xLNqUTYUa2kaiDUSfddmDPAoZhOs/edit?usp=sharing

    It was about 18°C/65°F in the room I was playing in, so temps are a little lower than the 78°C I experienced last time.

    You can see Board Power Draw hits the 120's a few times. I've seen some folks complain about screen flicker with this vBIOS, but I haven't noticed that.

    It feels like the game went from just barely in the playable range to totally comfortable at the same settings.
     
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    Yeah sounds good, honestly thought that someone would really take this up among all the owners out there and thouroughly report back with benchs etc but looks like not yet. Gimme a few months and I'll be down to do it though, the flash can't really hurt you if you are fully educated about it.
     
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    Your'e welcome. :)
     
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    I'm gonna risk it. i'll let ya'll know how it goes!!

    Djweissman
     
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    Is anyone having the CPU throttle? Especially while playing Battlefield 5 or MS flight simulator. I monitor the temps with MSI Afterburner and it looks like its always throttling and dropping back to speeds of 3.2GHZ. I did repaste it in January with MX-4.
     
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    Ok cool be careful and go through a few tutorials. Again it's not a huge gain from what others have reported but as new games come out and this gets older the extra will help along with all the other stuff you can do to soop up the whole system.
     
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    I will play it right now and let you know.
     
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    Thanks for the kind words of caution/warning. Wish me luck. What is a good program that flashes the bios or can someone tell me how to flash the vbios? Never done it b4.
    Djweissman
     
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    That sounds great! Any chance you can run TimeSpy or share some game settings/framerates you've been seeing.

    Also, is this with Optimus on? I've found that with the 115 watt vBIOS and Optimus enabled, the screen flickers a ton.
     
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    Thank you for doing extensive testing with the 115w vbios and overclocking. I've been debating on doing the flash. Doesn't seem like increasing the wattage removes any significant barrier and mostly increases heat. Jarrod's Tech benched 6,791 for a stock 2060 115W and the 3DMark site lists 6,932 as the average score for a MAX-Q 2070. This laptop was such a good deal, it's too bad the battery is weak and the fan is a bit louder.

    Time Spy ( https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/62457607)
    Graphics: 6,943
    CPU: 5,110

    GPU Max Temp 80
    CPU Max Temp 67

    Setup
    GPU Core Clock +210mhz
    Memory Clock +500mhz
    CPU Undervolt -125mv
    Fan Boost On
    Display Mode dGPU Only
    2x 16GB RAM @ 2400MHz (Leftover RAM from another laptop, probably holding back my scores?)
     
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    Hey

    What tool did y’all use to flash that hp bios?

    djweissman
     
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    @djweissman
    Here is what you need. First up, get the version of nvflash that wont care about your device id being a mismatch:
    https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-nvflash-with-board-id-mismatch-disabled/

    open up a CMD prompt as an admin (start menu search for 'cmd' and then in the options choose 'run as admin')
    You will need some basic dos skills to navigate to the folder you put your nvflash file (once extracted). put the files on my desktop and went there with
    • cd \Users\username\Desktop
    and I renamed it nvflash.exe

    Now, you need a bios that matches your 2060. Strangely I found that the one referenced in this thread did not work for me. It was a 1F12 bios, while my 2060 (in the gateway creators) is a 1F15.
    Luckily, there is a vbios that has 115w for an HP that is a 1F15!
    Find your vbios info using the following in CMD:
    • nvflash.exe --list

    My result:
    • <0> NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (10DE,1F15,1D05,1097) H:--:NRM S:00,B:01,D:00,F:00
    note my 2060 is a 1F15.

    If yours says 1F12, use the bios referenced earlier in the thread. If yours says 1F15 use this one:

    I then ran the command
    • nvflash.exe -6 225910.rom
    I had to select 'yes' to a few prompts, the flash was successful and then my screen went black. Nothing worked. I held the power off for about 10 seconds, then rebooted and ... things worked. Power target is raised! I haven't actually done any other testing beyond running a few tests while loading gpu-z to see that it is indeed going above 100w while before it would cap around 90w.
     
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    Oh - one other note. Be sure to set the dgpu as primary (and only) in the bios. And expect that the idle power draw goes up by ~20-30w with these changes. Basically, RIP battery life.
     
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    Thanks. Very much been looking for a way to do this for awhile but was to Afraid to brick it.


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    Thanks for this. I also had the 1F15 bios in mine and used the link to flash as well.
    I am doing some testing with Furmark now and I do see the "Board Power Draw" up to 115W and the GPU Chip Power Draw at 86W and the PWR_SRC Power Draw at 110.1W.

    Isn't the GPU supposed to be drawing ~100W? Or is it the entire board?

    EDIT: Have been playing Flight Simulator and have MSI afterburner on the top left of my screen and seeing that the limiting factor for the GPU is now "Temperature" which is expected since we're running hotter. I'm at 86*C for the GPU whereas the CPU is somewhere between 85-90*C now and this is with a repaste with MX4 that I did 9 months ago.

    Will this affect our CPUs from keeping boost?
     
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    That's good to get confirmation, it's usually board draw power that indicates what you have. From above the increased temps don't make it worth it really, you'll get throttling, especially since the cpu on this like all newer intel laptop cpus are like furnaces. No matter what I play it's always at least 80c, low end old game like dead space or TW3 at 2k dsr. System failure chance goes up too for only like 5-10fps, nah. Highest I've measured board draw stock was 96w cyberpunk.
     
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    Agreed. I won’t risk my baby on the chance it may brick when updating vbios. I’m grateful mine gets same 96W draw. Anyone got an MSI Afterburner overlock that’s a stable profile. If so can you share plz?

    Djweissman


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    I haven't measured the wattage in cyberpunk with my msi oc, core 163 mem 515, not going to reinstall that garbage to do it either. I'd guess +5w so minimal, 5fps probably.
     
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    So far, playing a few games here and there, especially games that are more GPU intensive than CPU, I am seeing a lot more FPS and a lot more smoother game play. I can say that the bios flash at least for me made a difference that I can not only see but can also feel (the heat). I am seeing more frame rates in first person shooter games (BF5, Cyberpunk, Splitgate).

    I am also undervolting the CPU (more power reserved for the GPU) and overclocking the 2060 (150+ GPU and 300+ Memory).

    In CPU intensive games (MS Flight Simulator), I do see some dips in FPS when loading new textures or new parts of the world map or using third-party add ons (Volanta or NeoFly). This usually happens when the CPU usage goes up - I do see the voltage numbers dropping, perhaps to accommodate the CPU as well even with the undervolting. This only happens when the CPU boosts to 4GHz.

    So far, I'm enjoying the flash. I think it made a noticeable difference for me and may put off buying a newer 3060 laptop for another year or so

    . In terms of thermals, even though I am running hotter than before, I am not seeing any adverse effects yet besides some throttling. I am planning on repasting my CPU/GPU with liquid metal soon so hopefully I can have the best of both worlds.

    Has anyone else repasted with liquid metal yet? How much of the difference have you seen?
     
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    Everything is just under a lot more stress than it was designed for, you could have a fan go much more easily etc But if you were willing to buy a 3060 laptop less than a year after this was released then I guess it's good for you. I aim to keep this for at least 3 years. The battery on this thing already was pretty bad, I think with only dgpu I get less than 3hrs non gaming use. There is no real warranty on this as well, a reviewer on the walmart site described what he went through to learn that, pretty much could see that from "gateways" web site lol

    Hardware Unboxed found the 115 watt 2060 about 13% faster than the 80 watt 2060, or 8% faster than the 90 watt 2060. @60fps=+5fps @120fps=+10fps

    https://techplanet.today/post/new-rtx-2060-115w-gaming-benchmarks-msi-gl65-20-game-test
     
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    I’m going to flash the bios after I can save for the same Laptop or a better on. I really want to do the flash but if it gets bricked then I won’t be able to play the Diablo remaster. That’s more important to me than more power. Also if I did the flash, it would make the system less stable and more heat equals problems for most of the internals. I’m still on the fence. Convince me why or why I shouldn’t do it. Thanks.

    P.S; friend me on steam. Also friend me on other clients. Inquire for my username to other clients. I have them all.

    Danny

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    I think I’m gonna try the bios flash. Any words or wisdom/warning before I do so?

    Thanks y’all,

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    I think you’ll be fine. Just follow the instructions on that post. It takes about 5 minutes. After it flashes, the screen will be blank. Just hold down the power button and restart the computer and you’re done.

    if you want you can also undervolt the CPU on the bios and then adjust it more using throttle stop app.

    As always - do it if you’re comfortable with the heat and the possible risks.
     
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    Thanks for the confidence,

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    An update on my machine! I noticed my idle temps were starting to creep up and while playing FlightSim in VR the CPU would constantly be at 95 and the GPU would start hitting 79. I didn’t want to revert from my 115w vBIOS, so I ended up repasting by following this guide:



    I applied Kryonaut to the GPU and Conductonaut liquid metal to the CPU.

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    I applied two layers non-conducting conformal coating around the CPU and then surrounded the die with polyamide high temp tape. That drop of liquid metal (minus what stuck to the applicator q-tip) was more than enough to fully coat the CPU die and the contact area on the copper heat sink.

    I did not apply liquid metal to the GPU because the die is surrounded by capacitors and I considered them to have a slightly higher risk of exposure. Also, I didn’t want the conformal coating and tape to have an insulating effect on those capacitors and shorten their life.

    I was expecting this to just refresh the thermals back to when I bought it, but it actually resulted in what I would consider a best case scenario. The idle temps are in the 30’s. Under a CPU only heavy load the CPU stays in the 50’s and only very occasionally jumps to the low 60’s when in a warm room.

    I haven’t done enough testing and recording in Flight Sim but the CPU is now in the 80’s and the GPU is now in the low 70’s. Since the GPU and CPU share heat pipes, anything that lowers CPU temps, will help the GPU.

    TimeSpy results are the same but the temps recorded are at about ~10 degrees lower at all points. Makes sense that the score didn’t change since the machine was never thermally throttling to begin with.

    Lastly, when just doing CPU only tasks the fans are super quiet. It’s great improvement. If you accept the risk, feel comfortable repasting, and take all the precautions, I think this is a good way to go when it comes time to repaste. Just remember, if the liquid metal gets on any of the capacitors, or traces, it can totally destroy your laptop. With the conformal coating, tape, and applying just enough, I don’t see that as likely.

    Things I used:
    Conformal Coating (MOST IMPORTANT):
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B8RY7M6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    High Temp Tape (ALSO VERY IMPORTANT): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072Z92QZ2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A9KIGSI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B011F7W3LU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
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    Nice, will def help with longevity. That video has some good info on what is compatible too bc I've already tried one so called nvme that was sata really and not compatible. This runs hot default no doubt, I get consistent 80c cpu 75c gpu while gaming high level but haven't had any problems. If you haven't done it yet the eluktronics control panel with the fans set to office mode will cut down on the over aggressive fans and noise.
     
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    Well done. Opened mine two days ago and pulled freaking hair ball size pieces of cat hair out of the fans. Lowered temps dramatically. Just a friendly reminder. This is how much cat hair I pulled out of the fans! Crazy low temps now. https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/com...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
     

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    Those temps are really impressive since I also applied liquid metal about a month ago and with the 115W bios I am still getting 86*C on the GPU and close to 90-95*C on the CPU. Perhaps I may have applied less since I wanted to be really conservative with how the liquid metal was applied since it was also my first time as well.

    For the GPU, I applied the 'Kapton' tape to the capacitors and made sure there was no gap in between the die and the tape so that no liquid metal can get there. I believe either my application of the liquid metal was not enough or there is something completely wrong with my heatsink.


     
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    The biggest tweak I found to improve my experience with this laptop was disabling Turboboost (through a regedit). This had a much greater effect than the -50 undervolt or the Evoo fan software. The fans were actually ruining my experience with this laptop, as even doing basic tasks like installing software caused the fans to roar, even on my quietest fan profiles.

    It has greatly reduced fan usage and noise. and CPU temps while doing my most intensive tasks (e.g. playing a relatively modern game on high settings) have dropped by about 10c degrees. The game I'm playing now (Bioshock Infinite, not a demanding game) took my CPU to about 75c-85c before this tweak. Now it never reaches 70c. Installing software no longer kicks the fans into overdrive.

    I have not noticed any drops in performance, but admittedly I don't do a lot of CPU-intensive tasks.

    In order to do this, I had to edit my registry (you can google how to disable turboboost through regedit if you're not familiar). I then disabled Turboboost on all of my profiles and this laptop has never worked better.
     
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    whiterose Notebook Enthusiast

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    I am loving this laptop, even though its a 2060 and a i5 in here, the gaming capabilities are amazing. I am coming from weak older computers with a GTX950m and never imagined I'd be playing MS Flight Simulator and get over 25FPS with all high and some ultra settings. Here's a beautiful screenshot of me flying the TBM930 to NYC. I am running the 115W bios for the 2060 and have applied Liquid Metal (may need to reapply if the copper soaked it in) but this is beautiful. [​IMG]
     

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