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    TONGFANG GK7CN6S / GK7CP0S / GK7CP7S

    Discussion in 'Other Manufacturers' started by sicily428, Oct 17, 2018.

  1. undervolter0x0309

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    Thank you for catching this!!! At this point, the only thing left is to sell my msi gp73 and then I'll definitely jump on the new eluktronics! Maybe if timing is right, the new intel cpus can push price down a tad :)
     
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    That makes sense given the i7-8750H running hot. And a excellent find. Best get the i7-8750H models while one can maybe least the ones that handle thermals well. Heard they're disabling Hyper Threading too like the other 9 series except for the high end parts.
     
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    What temps are you guys getting for from your 17" with the 8750H after repaste? I was still seeing 98C. I repasted, undervolted -0.150 mv, and still am seeing 87C at full load. Does this seem right for a 8750H? Those temps seem insanely high to me.
     
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    I'm in agreement with everyone else who responded. I went with the same configuration minus the 1tb drive (I went with 128gig for the OS). Build quality far surpasses laptops like the hp omen and helios line from acer. There is some flex to the screen however it doesn't feel weak, nor am I concerned with it breaking. The hinge also feels solid with no durability concerns.

    The chassis/body is extremely rigid. I get zero keyboard flex and the trackpad has no give to it even when pressing relatively hard.

    Getting into the laptop internals takes a little longer than I'd like with about a dozen or more screws to remove. But, it's easy enough to remove the bottom panel and I upgraded the storage by adding a 1tb M.2 drive and a 2.5 Inch SSD in the sata bay very easily.

    Going with the upgraded liquid metal is a great idea. I'm keeping great temps even under prolonged gaming sessions in games like anthem, apex and gta V.

    With fan speed set to turbo Anthem typically hovers in the high 70s on cpu and gpu. Apex and GTA sit closer to 65-70 degrees. These temps are all achieved without undervolting the cpu as well. I'm sure coming from the omen, which like the helios line had problems with heat dissipation on the 8750h you will be very happy with the thermals. The experience with my helios 300 was rough and even with a hefty undervolt I would sit around 86 degrees in most games.

    It's definitely not a beauty queen, and definitely won't turn any heads in a coffee shop. However in my opinion that's the best thing about the chassis. It's really more of an understated design and you won't feel like a juvenile using it at work, in class or other public settings. All while being able to push games at the highest (or close to it) settings with respectable framerates.
     
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    Which thermal paste did you use? Also is this temp across the entire cpu or just one or two cores? This could be as simple as an air pocket in the thermal paste causing one of the cores to spike.
     
  6. undervolter0x0309

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    Yeah s
    Excellent points!

    Also treat any laptop hinges with respect ----------------> Open screen from middle to balance pressure on both rather than one side. Simple advice but goes a long way.
     
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    Used thermal grizzly, it's pretty much across the entire cpu, with maybe a 5 degree variation. From what I've gathered the i7 8750H may run hot, but I'm not sure this is true. Mostly those reports are coming from HP Omen and Dell laptops that seem to have inadequate cooling solutions.
     
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    There is no debating that the 8750h runs hot. And it's not just dell and hp that have issues with taming the thermal output. Asus, acer, razer etc all have problems with this processor in certain chassis.

    I would reapply the paste and make sure you're not using too much.

    And I'm sure you've already checked, but are your fans clear of debris/dust?
     
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    I think the repaste is fine since I didn't use too much, and the laptop is brand new so there is no dust and the fans are working fine. I'll try to undervolt the cache next but I guess the temperatures are not unbearable. As long as it's not going over 90C I can't complain. Thanks for the help
     
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    Mine was doing the same thing when I received my computer about a month ago, only this was with liquid metal applied to the cpu. I sent it back and had eluktronics reapply the paste and test the thermal performance before sending it back. It dropped from the 90-100 degree range to 60-70. I would definitely reapply the paste regardless because your laptop's performance is worse than stock paste which shouldn't be the case.
     
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    The 9750H has the same 45w TDP design of the 8750H so it gets hot on boost however if you dial the clocks down to 8750H levels it should run cooler and throttle less. Perhaps one way to look at the 9750H is as a binned 8750H. This is hopeful thinking at this point.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback everyone. The build quality of the Omen X 17 is quite a bit different than the rest of the omen line up, it's solid metal through and through hence the 10+lbs weight for a 7820hk/gtx1080 config. That being said, it's comforting to see it stacks up well to the competition! I'm a fan of the RGB goodness but given this machine might actually make it outside the house, i'm kind of glad it has very limited gaming laptop cues. I'm not sure i'd like all the extra attention, especially at work or in a professional setting. The X17 was a beauty (IMO) but not really something i'd feel comfortable firing up at work in a sea of MBP and HP elitebooks haha.

    It seems like getting into it isn't too different most of my previous had 8-10 screws, some requiring to pop the keyboard to get in (Clevo p670G). I'll find out exactly how hard because i'm going to have to open it up to swap out the free 128GB pm961 for a spare 512gb NVME SSD (XPG Gammix s10). Speaking of does anyone know what the eluktronics X 1tb ssd is? i purchased the adata sx8200 but i've been told that the eluktronics SSD is slightly faster.

    I'm kind of amazed that a unit this thin has such good thermals, i've seen several instances where AA titles are in the 70's. I had to repaste and ran a -.120 undervolt to stay in the low to mid 80's with some spikes in the 90's at times. so this is kind of too good to be true haha.
     
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    The eluktronics X seems to be some SSD that many vendors are rebranding, I don't know what is the actual part number, but a ton of vendors have been sourcing the same SSD to sell for their site and their laptops. Even if it is faster, idk about lifespan of one. Samsung (970 evo should do) and WD (WD Black, make sure to not include the heatsink or that drive will need to have its heatsink removed in order to be used in any TF laptop since the lid acts as a heatsink for the m.2 drives.) have been my go to for storage, everything else has either failed on me or the price does not seem justifiable based on lifespan reports.
     
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    So in building out a laptop custom wise. At the moment it would be best to just get a 128gb "starter" drive for the OS and buy a media storage drive later?
     
  15. Riktar

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    well, they have them for free so i'd definitely take the free starter one and just pop in a larger one.
     
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    Yea starting I value pairing 32 GB with a 2070 rather than a SSD as those are quickly getting cheaper.
     
  17. roakes

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    I have the RTX 2070 version and if I run AIDA64 Stress test and Unigene Heaven 1440p at the same time for 15 minutes, I get average 89c on the CPU and 67c on the GPU. That's with a -150mv CPU undervolt and a 725mv/1545Mhz GPU undervolt.
     
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    Hi! I've currently have a Medion Erazer X7849 (Clevo P670RS-G) and was wondering whether it'll be worth upgrading to the 17" w/ RTX 2070 or the 15" w/ RTX 2060 or RTX 2070 MaxQ. The exact retailer and models I'm looking at is the PCS Recoil II RTX.

    What I'm looking for is something slightly more portable than my current Medion. Even if it's slightly lighter or smaller, I'll consider it a +1. Extra power is more of an afterthought but would prefer it if it at least matches my GTX 1070.

    I'm a bit wary of the MaxQ laptops cause of the performance not being better than the GPU below it.

    The big advantage of the 15" w/ RTX 2060 is its size and price. That'll make my uni life more managable carrying it around and it'll cost £1264. The only downside is that it'll only match my current laptop.

    The advantages of the 17" is it'll be more powerful and from what I've heard, it may get a 1440p screen option. The downsides is it'll be barely smaller than my current laptop and it'll be more expensive at £1466.

    Id be getting these laptops with 16gb 2400mhz RAM, no OS and 128gb SSD only (already got a 512GB NVMe + 960GB SATA SSD). Also, I would be repasting these with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut (or maybe conductonaut if people say the cooler is capable of it)

    I'd be getting it in April - May so there's no rush!
     
  19. roakes

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    I have the Recoill II 17" RTX 2070, if you want to do some performance comparisons here are my scores:

    Firestrike Score 16903
    Firestrike GFX Score 19401
    Time Spy Score 7560
    Time Spy GFX Score 7766
    Cinebench R15 1261
    Cinebench R20 2911

    It may be worth waiting for a comparison between 2060 and 2070 MaxQ, I think the JarrodsTech youtube channel has one coming up soon and the expectation is that they perform similarly to each other making the 2060 the better value.
     
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    Also worth a look for a 2060 performance comparison against 2070 Maxq and pascal GPUs:
     
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    I hate to ask such a simple question, as I'm sure it's been dealt with already and I've simply missed it....where can we get genuine replacement/additional AC adapters? Not a big fan of the cheaper "compatible" ones, as I tend to run into issues with them.
     
  22. Fastidious Reader

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    Check in with Eluktronics. You can likely order replacements from them.
     
  23. Fastidious Reader

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    So all this commenting about the bad pricing from reviewers. Will we get lower priced RTX laptops or will they just roll out the GTX 1600 series of laptops to cover that price gap?
     
  24. ezradharma

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    17" can be retrofited already with a 1440p 120hz panel since 40 pin eDP is supported. Both laptops are very likely to get 240hz panel support, unless they require a new pin standard with shouldn't be the case. I can tell you that the 17" is more likely to be cooler and overclockable. There are tests of the 15" RTX 2070 MAX-Q being flashed with 90w TDP vBIOS and 115w TDP vBIOS but there seems to be a lack of information why the performance of the 115w vBIOS is hitting a limit. Both laptops can be config to weight under 2.5 kg/5.5 lbs, I recommend getting the option of large 4 cell battery to be able to tune the battery life to last somewhat long, and do not use the 2.5" hard drive slot, the housing for the drive is metal which adds weight, and all TF's lack a senor that most laptops have standard to detect a fall or tilt of the laptop which can decrease the life of a hard drive. The 17" has windows hello allowing a Face ID like passcode system is that pulls your interest a bit. The keyboard deck material on the 17" is similar to a lenovo matte finish that could have a long life span where the 15" is a metal keyboard deck that attracts finger prints.
     
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    https://www.eluktronics.com/Mech-15-G2-180-Watt/
    Chicong is a main provider of these adapters.
     
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    Im not going to be using a hard drive, got a 2.5 inch 1tb SSD to use instead :)
    Although, that battery upgrade would be nice once I go full M.2 but Id rather wait till SSDs come down in price a bit more so I can get a 2TB SSD.

    As for that QHD panel, has anyone attempted it with this chassis yet?
     
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    What is the battery life for 62Whr battery if using the Intel Optimus as an office mode or for regular work?
     
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    Yeah, good idea. I'm going to do that this weekend.
     
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    Anyone have the latest version of realtek audio driver and sound blaster? I know the drivers for those two on overpowered and eluktronic are a little outdated.

    Also whats the best sound setting or other included software to improve the audio and prevent damage to my subwoofer.

    THANKS IN ADVANCE GUYS
     
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    anyone overclocked their full 2070 (non max q) card? I tried a 100 core 350 memory overclock and it's not stable with MSI afterburner (can't adjust voltage) ...
     
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    Before my previous laptop I came from a Sager NP8672-S (Clevo p670) and while it had a "slimmer" footprint it's still over an inch less in width due to bezels, thinner, and close to 2 lbs thinner based on the specs sheet. Looking forward to seeing it in person.

     
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    I've not seen anything on it yet but due to the much higher TDP than the 10 series and the limits they have to put on it go make a laptop version work. I'd say that it's overclock headroom could be very limited. Upside is the Full 2070 is very close to a 2080 Max Q performance wise from what's been said.

    I'd say we'd have to wait for someone like Bob of all trades to get a 2070 tester to see what can be done to make any adjustments possible.
     
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    Refer to this, if this does not work, customer support is going to have to walk you through it. There are more method than listed but this method is the one I found easier without powershell or typing in commands.
     
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    Do all resellers give the same power brick or are they different? If so, anyone here bough the Recoil II RTX from PCS w/ the 230W brick? Is it a fairly light brick or is it a C H O N K of a brick?
     
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    I have the 230W brick, what do you want to know? Define "CHONK" ;)
     
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    For those who have had this laptop for a while, how do you find the fan noise at idle and while playing games?
     
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    Under idle it's very quiet. While gaming I keep the turbo fan mode enabled and it gets relatively loud, but it's not enough for me to get annoyed with the sound levels.

    The speakers themselves are nothing special, so I'll typically wear headphones while gaming which helps to isolate the fan noise so it's even less if an issue. With that said, I've played hours of gta v and apex with the speakers and they are decent enough to overpower the fan and hear game audio clearly.

    I also play in a medium sized living room, at times with my wife watching TV about ten feet from me and she has yet to complain about the fan noise being distracting.
     
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    The custom CC really helps out in keeping the fan idle most of the time. I let my system run at 0 fan speed until 65C which the fans will start picking up, but since I go to school a lot with this laptop and it's winter where I'm from, the metals in the laptop get cold enough that it maintain under 50C for more than 60 mins, starts up at 20C-35C. Even with these fans at max, it's not as loud as an Alienware. If I were to make one compliant about the fans in the system, the custom Rev Center can get confused and set the fan speed at 100 when going between fan modes even if your current CPU temp is 35C.
     
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    Well, my current 230w brick is 84x167x34mm and weighs about a kilo and Id say this is a pretty CHONKY brick :p
    Size isn't that bad, but if it's lighter then that's a big +1 :D
     
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    Thanks. Man, I really want to love my Eluktronics mech 17, but it seems like if I fix one thing, another issue pops up. Firstly I couldn't get the sound blaster connect to work until I followed the message you quoted, but now my audio is playing through both speakers and headphones and I have no idea why! I also tried listening to my microphone and now it has crazy high feedback that is really high pitch ... a constant whine. On top of that there is popping sounds. Anyone have this issue as well? Thanks, always a great helpful community.
     
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    It's 74x154x30mm and weighs 688g without the kettle lead
     
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    Noice :)
    Now all I gotta do I last till April with my Clevo P670RS-G :D
     
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    So talking about the 230w power brick. How does that handle a 2070 if anyone has that setup. How does that work with that much lower TPD than its desktop counterparts . Other than hearing that it is very close to a 2080 Max Q performance wise.
     
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    Does this chassis allow you to change the refresh rate of the display from 144hz to 60, or any other refresh rate? I know that some laptops do not allow that, and I'd like to know if this one does.
     
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    144 to 60 is included, want more custom refresh rates/resolutions, you'll need to manual add them using this guide http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ur-laptop-monitor-intel-intel-optimus.802167/
     
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    I'm running +150 core / +1000 memory and its pretty stable. I'm using Linux, but it shouldn't matter.
     
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    Occasionally my 17" GK7CP7S doesn't boot, it hangs for a while and then drops into the BIOS, browsing the BIOS it looks like the storage drive (Adata m.2 SATA) is not being detected. Multiple reboots don't fix it, but if I power down and disconnect my external monitors and USB, then it will boot up properly. I haven't delved too deep into the exact failure mode, to try to replicate the situation that causes it to happen, but has anyone else had a similar experience?
     
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