The Penryn is here!!!

Yet, lets say you buy it is an upgrade? send your laptop in and get it back with a new cpu put in by Zepto? point is, would it be possible both technically and will it be a service even sold?

 

I have found out the delivery information for the new CPUs

The T8100 and T8300 models will arrive @ Zepto on monday the 7th of January

The T9300 and T9500 models will arrive on the 21st of January

We are looking at offering a service to upgrade a CPU for customers who with to have a newer CPU, We need to look into every possible compatibilty issue before we can give a time or price estimate on this but we think it can be a option soon

 

Wohoo, then if I am lucky enough, I should get my laptop before end of next week, I cannot wait

 

Technically it isn't a problem I think...
I've got a 6625WD with a T9300 CPU so...

But wait for my benches, opinion, findings on the 7th of January

 

Do you know whether anybody is testing Penryns on 6224W? I'd be interested in seeing the differences between T7250 and T8100 in terms of battery life and temperature mainly.

 

Noopz! I was the first in laptopland with a Penryn I think (A)

 

I am just waiting for the results to see how much difference there really is.

 

And here we go:



The things I wanted to test are:
1. heat output --> They say it's less
2. power consuming, resulting in longer battery times --> Hmm cool..
3. Increased performance --> Great, great, great

All underneath benches are in comparison with my T7500 2,20GHz processor.

1. Heat:
-In idle mode (just surfing) the temperature of the Penryn is about 6 degrees less!
-In idle mode (just surfing) the temperature of the HD is about 4 less!

-In high mode (gaming) the temperature of the Penryn never gets over the 95 degrees!
NotebookHardwareControl is warning me when getting a CPU-temperature of 95 degrees!
When gaming at my 6224W, with NBC on, I am getting that warning in less than 10 minutes, with this penryn nothing
Because I have a 6224W I don't know the exact temperatures of the 'normal' 6625WD's (T7500/ T7700's) and they say that it's just a little bit cooler than the 6224W/ 6324W... But in my humble opinion this processor is a really positive thing whatabout the temperatures!

2. Powerconsuming:
power consuming is quite nice!
With a fully charged 6 cell battery and with 'energysaving' on I get 2,5 hours worktime.
With a fully charged 6 cell battery in my 6224W with 'enerysaving' on I get 1,8 hours worktime!
Tested it with RM-clock and I was quite surprising that it gets about 45 minutes extra worktime!
It can be because the used battery in the T9300-6625WD is totally new, but I don't think so ;-) (tested it with the same battery!)

3. Increased performance: All in comparison with my T7500 processor
-In the Windows Vista Prestationindex I've got a couple of tenths higher!
My T7500 gets a score of 5,1 and the T9300 gets a score of 5,4!

-There is a performance increase of 5,5% with the GPU-test-score of 3D Mark '06!
My T7500 gets a score of 1919 points and the T9300 gets a score of 2025 points! (1280x1024)

-SuperPI (2M) is 7,128 seconds faster in comparison with my T7500!
(50,000 sec. vs. 57,128 sec.) That's a performance-increase of 13%!!!
-WPrime (32M) is 6,463 seconds faster in comparison with my T7500!
(34,599 sec. vs. 41,062 sec.) That's a performance-increase of 16%!!

All with all it is a really nice computer that has a quite nice performance-increase in comparison with a T7500. Myself shouldn't upgrade my processor from a T7500 to a T9300 (for a price of: 316 dollar = 215 euro = 160 pound) because of this advantage. The heat and batteryconsumption are imho bigger pro's for this new Penryn processors!! If you can choose between the T7xxx series and the T9xxx series with a little difference in price, go for the T9-series!

The prices for the Penryn-procs on the UK-website are really nice!!!

The 'power' version of the 6224W comes standard with a T8100!
The extra-prices you have to pay for the processorupgrades are:
T7250: 0,3 pound = 0,4 euro
T8300: 35 pounds = 48 euro
T7700: 99 pounds = 135 euro
T9300: 101 pounds = 137 euro
T9500: 289 pounds = 393 euro

The 'power' version of the 6625WD comes standard with a T8100!
The extra-prices you have to pay for the processorupgrades are:
T7500: 34 pounds = 46 euro
T8300: 35 pounds = 48 euro
T7700: 99 pounds = 135 euro
T9300: 101 pounds = 137 euro
T9500: 289 pounds = 393 euro

If you want extravagant power in your laptop go for the T9300! (just like the T7500 users nowadays)
If you are really need the power or you have enough money go for the T9500 (just like the T7700'ers nowadays)
And if you want to be the man, you have enough money and you never want cold legs go for the X9000 (the X7900 nowadays)

All with all the new Penryn processors are really cool (literally and figurative) and you really have to buy them when buying a new Zepto notebook! Upgrading from your T7xxx processor to a T9xxx is your own choice! If you really need the power, need the less heat and need the extra batterypower it would be a nice buy! I am waiting on the new generations Zepto's (with better videocards, better and bigger screens and new features and ofcourse with the new processors)
My personal findings of the new processors is very positive and all with all: BUY IT!! ;-)

 

Cool thanks Been waiting for this for a long time. That penryn is one sweet processor!
But I'm still not buying a new cpu/notebook until Montevina!

 

Sweet! I am happy for you CLB-NL

 

The results look very promising. I've ordered mine with T8100. I will be installing Ubuntu and Win Xp Pro on mine, will post the results as soon as I receive my laptop and perform the tests myself.

 

Youre welcome

Just like moi

Haha

That's fine!!!

 

Were the 3D Mark 06 benchmarks conducted with a 8600m 512 MB DDR2 running at the native resolution of 1400*900?

 

no, default resolution or 1280x8xx

 

No, default resolution is 1280x1024 . People always bench at too low res. and that's why all the debate on the gaming forums "Woow very high 3dmark score on 8600" , "8600 crazy 3dmark" etc. etc.

 

My 6624 with the T7250 arrived a few days before the Penryn anouncement and already starting having toasted thighs when playing Timeshift on middle settings. Updated the Bios, utlised RMClock voltage settings and it seems to cool down a few degrees to a manageable level. Battery life is poor but that's to be expected from a high power system which beats anything you can get from PcWorld or elsewhere.

The advantages of Penryn are not clear yet and in anycase with the Montevina-platform Penryns out soon (mid-2008) with a 25 Watt power consumption it makes sense to wait before spending money on a CPU that may be outdated in a few months. We still need a full detailed review of the Penryn soon.

The 6224 Zepto maunal does mentions that the CPU can be changed so I assume this is somthing they have planned for and should not void your warranty if they do the work.

I must say the audio from the 6224 is better than any laptop I have used. But the screen is a bit dodgy !!!. Some kind of gross coat in needed otherwise ther's a lot of eye-straining to look forward to.

 

3D Mark '06 was tested at 1280x1024 ;-)

 

11. January 2008

Zepto focuses on next generation mobile technology

Zepto offers as the first manufacturer in Europe Intel’s new 45nanometer processors in its notebook computers. This technology has been available since the beginning of January. Focus has already shifted to Intel’s next generation of mobile technology, code named “Montevina”. Zepto is preparing its new notebook range to be the first to offer the Montevina technology.

Intel’s 45nm processors are decreasing power consumption in notebook computers considerably and is providing up to 15% more performance and battery life. Zepto has for this reason chosen to offer these Intel processors first in the market. Focus has already shifted to the next generation of mobile technology, which improvements are said to be much larger still.

”Intel’s new 45nm processors are a nice jump forward and therefore we have chosen to offer this new technology first to market. Later in 2008 Intel will launch its platform codenamed ”Montevina”, which will be an even bigger step forward technology wise, and we are very much looking forward to this”, says Morten Kjærsgaard, COO, Zepto Computers A/S.

The Montevina platform will increase mobility of the notebook PC through WIMAX technology, which in time will mean access to wireless networks wherever you are. Performance will increase tremendously with frontbusspeeds from 800Mhz to 1066Mhz and the option to change RAM from DDR2 to DDR3. Montevina is also decreasing power consumption from 35W to 25W, increasing battery life up to 30%.

”In relation to the launch of 45nm the Montevina platform will have a much greater impact on what we understand to be mobility in a notebook PC. We have chosen therefore to put great focus on this platform already now; and are designing our new notebook range to fully benefit from this new technology”, Morten Kjærsgaard, COO, Zepto Computers A/S, adds.

Zepto reports the availability of its notebook range based on the Montevina platform later in 2008.

For more information please contact:
Morten Kjærsgaard, COO, Zepto Computers A/S
Telphone: +45 47 37 10 22, E-mail: [email protected]


For more information about Zepto Computers visit www.zepto.com

 

The Penryn CPUs will be available on the 3415W and 3414W machines as well from the 24th of January

 

And now all Penryns in 6224W are marked "Works only with Vista". What does it actually mean? Is it impossible to install XP on Penryn notebook?

 

Its only there because Zepto havent fully tested the processors with XP, there shouldnt be any problem

 

Well as it is now it doesn't look like there'll be XP support at current time. XP just doesn't run well on the Penryns. So as it looks now we won't be supporting XP with the Penryn processors. This also means that if people buy the Penryn prcoessors and experience any problems there will be no support from us. So for now the Penryn processors are Vista only as it says on our website.

I know this is not good news for most people, but it seems like the hardware manufacturers are trying to get people over on the Vista platform by making the hardware Vista only also as weird as it may seem.

 

Thanks for the update re Penryn + XP.

It's puzzling why Penryn shouldn't co-exist with XP unless, as you imply, there's been some deliberate modification to the hardware (no doubt for the benefit of end users ).

John

 

My hopes of getting a montevina notebook with XP is dying

 

Well basically I do not know right now if XP will be supported on the current models officially from us. It might work with a hot fix, but if we will add the support is another matter. As I said this is still to be decided and not something I know anything about yet.
It's a matter of wanting to support XP on the models just as we decided not to support XP on the 3214W/3414W/3415W models even though it should be able to run on those models (with some complications sometimes as far as we've experienced from user feedback).

 

What does it mean? Can you give us some clue on the problem?

 

Instability issues as far as I've been informed. Spontaneous crashes ect.

 

I have received my 6224W with T8100 Penryn yesterday and installed Windows XP SP2. So far I'm quite happy with it although haven't tried anything demanding on it yet. Still installing hundreds of security updates, etc. hence didn't have the chance to bring it down it's knees yet But no crashes so far, very cool running (so far) too. Fan noise reduced considerably after updating the BIOS too. Currently, when fully charged, WinXP is reporting estimated battery life as 2hrs 6mins although I don't know how reliable this estimation would be. Also with more battery cycles, initially, the battery life might improve slightly.

Anyway, hopefully this weekend, I'll be able to tell you more about XP and Penryn

 

Iv noticed that at least RMClock and Vista gives a bit too short time for the batery (initially). It gives something like 1,3h but I can get allmost 2h from it with undervolting and more

 

I've received my 6024W last week. With the T8100 in it.

Installing XP Pro SP1 was a bit tricky. The driver.cab file couldn't be copied and the driver for the Zepto Wificard was not on the Zepto driver CD.

Skipping the driver.cab did the trick, but after that I had to manually install all the drivers. Still I have three components not installed (2 unknown deviced and a PCI device). Don't know what they are, I'n not missing anything.

More interesting, XP Pro SP1 was running properly (and damned fast!!) on the Penryn. SP2 the same story, execpt for one thing: coming back from hibernation or standby. The system sometimes slows down to a 486 system.

Battery life is acceptable. About 3 hours. So I tried the XP hotfix. With no result so far. I'll keep you posted.

 

Re the unidentified devices on the 6024W:

One may be the TPM. Disable it in the BIOS unless you actually need it.

Others may be the infra-red receiver, the media card reader, Bluetooth, Realtek Audio.

Did you get turbo memory?

It is best to use the latest drivers from the Zepto FTP site and not the ones on the driver CD. Even newer drivers are available for the Intel graphics and the Synaptics touchpad.

Also check that your 6024W is running the latest BIOS (-006). It includes some useful improvements - see another thread.

As a matter of interest, what is your 6024W's battery capacity as delivered? (You can use the battery details page of RMClock to get the info).

John

 

After installing the Penryn hotfix, my estimated battery life is 2hrs 40mins. I never tried running my laptop actually on battery so far but hopefully will try it this week.

I have experienced that strange slowdown after standby as well, had to restart the computer.

 

Hmm. The PCI device isn't listed anymore. Still have two "unknown device." It's not the infra-red receiver, the media card reader, Bluetooth or Realtek Audio. I didn't choose the Turbo Memory, I want to use XP for now.

I'll check the BIOS version, but I assumed (wrongfully?) that when I buy a notebook I get the latest BIOS installed. I'll also check the battery capacity. The WinXP powermeter is almost useless:it gives only a rough indication and changes all the time. Fully charged I get between 2:20 and 3:12. Changes every time I check.

I already disabled the devices I don't use (BT, Firewire etc) and applied the hotfix, so we'll see in the coming weeks how long it will last.
I think a minimum of 3 hrs all the times is acceptable.

 

You dont necessary have the latest BIOS instaled when getting the laptop, I had 004 even if 008 was released (altough it might be that the laptop had been in the resellers stock for a while, but not that long)

 

Screenshot from RMClock. Is it in line with other 6x24's?

 

on my 6625WD I have a discharge rate of 26060mW with screen at the lowest brightness

 

Umm ~2976 points 3D Mark 06 with penryn? Erm, am I missing something, it says on their website that you get at least 3500 points in 3d mark, I would expect this to be even higher with these new powerful penryns? That... sucks I was going to buy one but now I'm skeptical.. =P

 

3D Mark hasn't only got to do with processorpower...
Also with resolution, videocard and other hardware ;-)

 

You ought to be able to get a little lower with the 6024W. The dedicated GPU in the other 6x24Ws means they will always drain more power.

I attach the battery drain I see by pulling out the power plug and putting the display on 4/8 brightness (can get lower power with less brightness but it hurts my eyes). It might help that I have RMClock letting my CPU amble along at 0.9V and 600MHz. The HDD is the 5400rpm WD2500BEVS.

I'm jealous about your battery capacity - significantly more than I had when new.

Is the Intel Display Power Saving Technology enabled in your display settings?

John

 

Streamz, can you monitor the temperature, throttle, etc of Penryn using RMClock? RMClock cannot identify my CPU, nor it allows me to use any settings such as p-state transitions etc. I'm using windows XP and although after applying the microsoft hotfix, my battery life improved half an hour, it doesn't look like the CPU is detected properly and the cpu frequency is scaled.

What software can I use to monitor my cpu? Please help

 

Here's the screenshot of RightMark CPU Clock Utility. In the management section, in the profiles sections, I cannot check "use p-state transitions" since they are disabled and I cannot see the cpu load, temperature, etc.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

 

Right of course, but I thought the zepto which has a 8600M GT was always getting at least 3500+ 3d marks, and now with penryn how is that possibly lower?! That's what I was so surprised about

I would buy a zepto but 2900 is just too low score for me, when the dell xps 1530 or asus g1s both score almost 4000, or around there.... I would really like a zepto though with a penryn so for me it sucks=/

 

Evren, it seems that RMClock is unable to identify the Penryn.
Got the same results as you.
This is the first time I get to play with RMClock. I'm happy to do some test and post sreenshots, but I'm quite a dummy with tweaking.

 

You might get some Penryn support in the next RMClock beta.

It may help to expedite and debug the Penryn support if you show your interest in the RMClock forum.

John

 

Those laptops has got DDR3 videomemory, the Zepto's has got DDR2

 

I have just ran WPrime32 on my 6224W with T8100 Penryn processor. My best time was 39.015 sec. Does anybody have the results for T7500 in 6224W?

Thanks

 

wPrime is a measure of the CPU performance which shouldn't be affected by the notebook brand.

There's a good set of wPrime results in this thread.

John

 

Unfortunately, no results for T8100 is present there

 

Well I did it.. some days ago actually.
Ordered the 6324W, said estimated 4 days delivery on the website but when I got the order confirmation it was over 8 days oh well some day I'll get it, I'll make a big phat review here with pics and video and turn every inch of this laptop inside out =)

 

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