Tongfang GM5MP0Y / P7Y / PHY / Q8Y / P0W / P7W / PHW / Q8W

I'm not sure if XMG Neo 15 firmware is smart because apparently they use a custom keyboard with FN functions mapped to different keys.

But you have the GM5MP0W from Laptopparts4less? I will be picking up my unit today but if it has the worthless ISO keyboard layout I can't use it. Wasn't expecting these to be fitted with an ISO keyboard...

 

Yeah, unfortunately no ANSI

 

Unfortunately no ANSI here also. Will have to contact lp4l for a solution.

 

I asked prior to buy. They told that they don't have it. But if you find part number for such keyboard - please share.

 

hi gents,
can anybody post links for skins for this model, im looking for laptop skin

 

What do you mean with "switchable Graphics"?
Do you mean the option in the bios to choose between MsHybrid, Dedicated GPU and iGPU Only?
If it is, there's the option in the bios to switch between the three modes, I've just checked my BIOS (v1.06).
In addition, before buying from their website, I've contacted their support and they confirmed themselves that the laptop has this feature supported.
Also, if you choose MsHybrid, it corresponds to Nvidia Optimus and the system will run on the iGPU and it will use the Nvidia GPU accordingly with the selected apps.

 

I was told by their support it didn't - so I have bought from Laptopparts4less, also due to better warranty and other things.

 

I wish I asked before ordering because then I wouldn't have to return it with a 50 euro restocking fee, which I did because the keyboard can't be ordered indeed. I was not able to find the correct part no. so the search for my next laptop continues.

You could try to contact Eluktronics as they seem to have the ISO keyboard, maybe they can supply you with a keyboard. It should be swappable because there are no cutouts for individual keys.

 

Do we have new BIOS for GM5MP0W ?
Currently I have BIOS N.1.01, EC 1.14.09.00, ME FW 14.0.31.1120. The issue here, that undervolts limited to 50 mV only. It would be great to get more to decrease temperature under workload.

 

mine bios n1.09

 

where did you get it?

 

Received my GM5MP7Y yesterday, my impressions so far are:

- Super lightweight for a laptop packing a 2070, downside to that is that the lid feels very thin and can be flexed quite easy, so probably need to be wary of putting hard objects next to it in my laptop bag
- Performance and thermals are both great - no sign of throttling even with factory thermal paste. Its outperforming my Dell Precision 7540 with i9 9980HK, which I am surprised with considering a heavier heatsink and bigger fans on the Dell.
- Battery life is dire by default (less than 2 hours with my 62wh battery), unless you set switchable graphics to iGPU only in BIOS. If you do that you get 6 hours plus indicated on guessometer. Also possible to achieve similar readings in Hybrid Graphics mode if you set your preferred GPU to Integrated, but I still see spikes of dGPU activity happen, so consumption is higher.
Sometimes even in iGPU only mode PKG Power inexplicably consumes 7w for no reason and only a reboot gets it back down to around 1w (when idle).
- Unfortunately iGPU has no access to external monitor ports, including via Thunderbolt 3 port - so unfortunately if you have your laptop set to iGPU only mode you'll need to reboot and change BIOS settings to get a monitor working. This is an irritation, would love for there to be some function key shortcut that could enable or disable dGPU without needing a reboot.
- Thunderbolt does not feed any power to it, which is a shame. I know this laptop has potential to consume 200w+, but it would have been nice to get some form of a throttled mode available
- Keyboard is decent, but not amazing. Touchpad is nice and accurate.
- Screen is ok, very responsive, but coming from a high gamut screen it doesnt look at vivid as my eyes would like.

Overall pretty pleased, especially at thermal capabilities of a laptop this thin.

 

They deliver keyboards with different layouts, but it would be interesting to know if anyone have tried?
I have a new Lapstops4Less version that I am very happy with.

 

Does anyone have a guide for how to work with keyboard RGB lighting in the Control center (GM5MPHW) - I cannot figure out how it's supposed to work.

 

Did anyone try to obtain G-Sync with 144Hz for UHD (4K) external display? Which thunderbolt 3 cable and monitor did you use?

 

Is anybody aware where I can download the latest BIOS? I had some signs that reasonable battery life is achievable, however after running windows for a few days I am now getting about 1.5 hours, with no dGPU utilisation. Something isnt going to sleep and I think it might be firmware related. I have tried re-installing widows but high battery consumption returned very quickly.

 

How can you be sure there is no dGPU utilization? Did you change it to iGPU in the BIOS?

 

Yes, setting it to iGPU only in BIOS makes no difference. Laptop also doesnt want to suspend - screen goes black but battery continues to get drained if unplugged. Hibernating or shutting it down does not drain it, so sound like a bios issue with some device being always on.

 

Yeah, OK, sounds bad.

Unfortunately I do not know where to get an updated BIOS from.

 

Have just installed Manjaro Linux on this machine and now i can hit 6 hours + of projected use time on battery guessometer, so because there are no processes consuming anything above 1% of CPU the issue must be caused by some Windows setting or driver. A bit frustrating considering I've reinstalled windows just a week ago and have only installed Tongfang drivers that are on Eluktroniks website. Might have to do another Windows reinstall and keep a log of whats being installed and what the battery life is after.

 

Yeah, none of mine are above 1% on idle.

 

I think I have narrowed it down to the driver causing high battery usage on windows - Thunderbolt. I used system restore to go back to the point before Thunderbolt 3 driver install and I can again hit 5-6ish hours with minimal usage.
Also worth mentioning that uninstalling the thunderbolt driver alone doesnt seem to fix the issue, so it must leave some setting behind that causes this. System restore was the only thing that worked outside of a Windows rebuild so far.

 

Sorry to double post, but had discovered some more battery drain issues related to Intel Management Engine Interface drivers, so for anyone doing a windows rebuild please avoid installing Intel MEI drivers (and thunderbolt 3 v70 driver if you dont intend to use thunderbolt). Intel MEI was a very strange one - I have 2 Windows 10 partitions and had both working nicely yesterday evening, giving me 5ish hours of light use, so I figured I would create a recovery point and install Intel MEI driver, as I had left it out from when I installed Windows.
Installation went fine with no issues, then I suspended my laptop overnight and this morning found it to be draining battery very fast (-40w drain speed, even with no CPU or GPU activity). I tried rebooting, removing of Intel MEI via appwiz.cpl and even booting into the other partition - which had been running with no issues last night - all of which did not resolve battery drain. Also, my recovery point could not be recovered to ...
Only fix I found was to go into Device Manager > System Devices > Intel management engine interface, right click and uninstall and delete the driver. Upon reboot power usage was back to normal (on both Windows partitions!). So it almost looks like MEI driver leaves some sort of setting imprint on the firmware and it gets reset by reinstalling default one that comes with Windows.

 

I've just upgraded W10 to 20H2 and it screwed up Edge and uninstalled random apps I had on it. I've used the update assistant as it wasn't showing in WU.
I had to roll back to 2004 and reset the computer. Then thr 20H2 upgrade shown up.
I'm getting better battery estimates now, before the total running time was about 6 hours of light usage.
Now I'm getting peaks of 7 or 8 hours.
Interestingly, for some reason, Microsoft's Your Phone app is triggering the dGPU and I have to close it, despite is configured both in Windows and Nvidia control panel to use the iGPU.
Weird.

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One last bit to add, in my quest for max battery runtime I found (by accident) that I re-installing Nvidia driver over Windows Update ones (used 457.30, but I am sure the same probably applies to other versions) and selecting "Driver Only", then "Custom Installation" and "Clean Install" seems to drop CPU pkg consumption value to the lowest I had ever seen on this laptop. It now regularly hits 0.5w consumption, whereas before it struggled going below 1.0w. Result = over 8 hours indicated runtime on guessometer (when reading online forums, so minimal load, but wifi still on). Not bad for the lower capacity 62wh battery!

 

Hi all,
does anyone know if there's any utility to control fans, TDP/power modes other than usual TongFang Control Center or ThrottleStop?
I'd like to have something more polished in terms of UI and features.
Obsidian Fan Control is Clevo only if I'm not wrong.
Thanks in advance!

 

Has any1 tried to switch screens? mine came with 60hz screen and I have a spare 120hz 30 pin laying around. The problem is sides of the bezel are so thin that I am scared to touch it

 

I'm not sure if this is useful to anyone, but I've been hitting oddly low CPU turbo speeds lately and I've just managed to fix that. Let me go into detail as to what I was seeing first. I remember that after I just got the laptop (GM5MPHY with 10875H) and ran some benchmarks it would allow the CPU to use up to 105W of power. This would allow it to boost over 4GHz while running Cinebench and the resulting scores were very high (4000+ on R20). Lately however, I had been noticing that the CPU wasn't boosting as high anymore. Running Cinebench it would only take 34W of power and limit the clocks to 2.6GHz. The fans were only mildly spinning and the temps didn't get much higher than 60C. When looking at the limit reasons in ThrottleStop, it would say "EDP OTHER". I started messing around with PL1 and PL2, without any success. Today it seems I finally found the culprit: PL4. Turning this power limit off (by setting it to 0) finally allowed the CPU to boost back up to its original 105W. You can find this setting in the Miscellaneous section of the Turbo Power Limits (TPL) screen in ThrottleStop. I've included a screenshot for reference.

 

Maybe already asked but is it possible to flash bios/firmware from XMG Neo 15 to GM5MP7Y? Seems like same specs and chasis.
There are two versions of FW for 2070 ->
Bios-XNE15E20_i7-10xxxH_2070_GM5MP7W_230W_oemsevtool.zip
Bios-XNE15E20_i7-10xxxH_2070-SUPER_GM5MPHW_230W_oemsevtool.zip
GM5MP7Y has 2070 Refresh, so problably second one should fit?

 

Some vendors could have customised their bioses for its own product line, I wouldn't advise to risk bricking your machine...

I have just updated the bios of my Vyper III (GM5MP7Y). I have contacted my reseller and they sent me a new version of the bios.
I was on the 1.06, now it's updated to 1.08. Don't know what changed, I'm waiting for them to provide a changelog.

 

Check also IccMax in FIVR configuration for the CPU, this also shows EDP Other as Limit when you set it too low.
I've been using it to create a Power Limit different for each power profile in TS, as it doesn't support a custom TDP for each profile yet.
Very useful to fine tune the power limits to control heat and throttling in my opinion.
I've one set to 5.00A to obtain maximum battery life while retaining good performance for everyday tasks (browsing, emails, youtube).
Then when I need more power I've set keys combination (ctrl+alt+1, 2, 3, or 4) to switch easily power profiles.

Just one question: isn't it too high a Short Power limit of 135W, is it? The default value is 120W on the TongFangs, but pushing it beyond isn't very ideal for the VRM life on the motherboard in my opinion.
It's gonna throttle in any case as soon as it reaches the temperature limit set by Intel specs, which means you could loose performance as it will last less time time in PL2.
While a more lower but longer more sustainable value could lead to better performance.
Just saying.

 

Anyone with a new bios for the GM5MPHW? Not being the XMG NEO one, but from another reseller?