zepto 6324w and 8600 performance

Dude the default resolution is 1280x1024 If you wanna compare worldwide, and I really mean worldwide, use that resolution.

I know CLB-NL benched @ 1280x854, but he's done that will all his tests, so it's good if you want to compare the relative difference, which IMO is the most important, and not the score itself.

 

The original picture from my first post

 

Now I tried testing it with 1280x1024 with an eksternal monitor, as the 14.1" doesn't support that resolution. The score is now reduced to 3921.

Where can I compare the score with other similar systems? When I report the score with 3DMark it says only one other user has reported results with a compareable system.

 

That's a nice score. I can only manage to score 3100-3200, but that's default clocks! I don't think it's necessary to overclock the card yet, and void the warranty I'll probably do that in 1-1½ years time

 

Yeah yeah I'm sorry

You could put your scores in this topic:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=195357

I think that's bull! How could they see you've OC'd..

And 165 more with the 169.21 drivers at the same clock is quite weird...
Espacially because I have a 'better' processor... What is your processor-score in 3D Mark '06?
(I have to check mine, but I thougt about 1800 points)

@ Noelia: With default clocks and 169.21 drivers I get about 3500 points..

 

MY processor score is 1609. See the screenshot in the previous post for further details. It seems reasonable when my processor isn't as fast as yours.
The trick is that the computer have been in standby, which somehow causes the "normal" speedlimit not to occur.

If I run the test without the computer being in standby the score is reduced quite remarkable to between 3600 and 3700p - still with overclocking. Default clocks 3300.

 

Could you explain that 'standy story' a little bit more..
English is not my native language so I don't know what you mean...

You're laptop is in standby, you put it on and right after that you 3D Mark?

 

Sure, it's not very complicated. Let's say yo make a fresh start, like a reboot. You then just chose to put the computer in standby or sleep as I think it's called in Vista (not hibernate). I use Windows Xp so dont know if the flaw is existing with Vista.

After the computer have been in standby or sleep, the temperature is no longer bound to be lower than 96 degrees. That IMO means the GPU isn't having its performance restricted because of heat - avoiding the reduction in framerate other users have reported when the computer has been pressured for some time - in other words, when the temperature rises to around 96 degrees.

It doesn't matter how long time there is between the time of standby and the test run.

 

Ahaa I thougt so Will Run 3D Mark '06 again this afternoon

 

Did your test show any differences?

 

Noopz! Got 4153 points so

 

Is this different from what you have obtained ealier? Or...?

 

I just got my 6224w, put x64 Vista Ultimate latest drivers I could find except video I went for the 169.17 but only get 3666 with clocks @ 600Mhz/ 1200Mhz/ 475Mhz

Specs :
Zepto Znote 6224W: 14,1" @ 1440 x 900/ nVidia GO 8600M GT 512MB/, 2.00 GHz Intel® Core™2 Duo T7250 800MHz
2048MB DDR2 - 800MHz DC/ 200GB @ 7200 rpm (Hitachi, 16mb Cache) DVD+-RW/ Integrated BT & Wi-Fi/ & 1GB Turbo Vista Ultimate x64

 

CLB-NL: What clocks are you running?

My maximum are 633 and 486 for the memory. But I don't want to run 3Dmark until I have my add-on cooler.

 

What is your maximum temperature through the test? If is just around 96 degrees it quite similar to my own result.

 

Yup 92-96 which is fine. I was playing Broken Sword & Witcher on a magazine which was on my lap in bed.

Still 4000+ would be great!

 

Try putting the computer in standby or sleep, wake it up and run 3DMark again. That somehow boosted my score to 4320 with same OC as you. The temperature seems no longer to be limited to 96 degrees but rises to 111 degrees at the most

 

Holly macrel! I just got 4129 with only 96c!!!

Thank for that very weird fix... Why is it doing this?

 

So you guys are saying that your 8600m runs fine OCed for a longer time in games? even with temps over 96 degrees?

 

I have not gone over 96 TBH, I will leave a game running for a long time during my training session.

 

I've said that many many many times before... 600MHz/ 1200Mhz/ 475Mhz

Why Only because of the temperature..

Offcourse! A videocard is made by temperatures way over 120C so..

 

Well it stayed at 110c for over 1 hour and did not crash or burn, heh

I am going to decrease the clock speed though as I wont below 100c TBH, will post results.

 

The temperature will still reach 110c even without overclocking but with the "standby fix" enabled. The question is whether overclocking actual increases performance when the max temperature is reached.

 

Stand by fix? Explain please....

 

this is what he's talking about

 

Is this supposed to be there? A safety mechnasism? What is the highest/safest temperature to run at. It is stable at 110c but I do not wont damage the card.

I am running it just under 100c at the moment...

 

i have the same problem where it seems its downthrottling itself at 95ish degrees, and i have not found a solution yet

 

Is it possible that when exiting stand-by that the 96C limit is disabled? I have not tried myself yet.

How high clocks are you able to use? Anyone higher then mine at: 633 and 486?

I used ATItool and the "artifact" view to detect gfxbugs.

I could run memory at 493 also with a small amount of gfxbugs, but I don't know if this can make permanent damage?

 

Im getting 4384 score in 3dmark06 in 1280x768.

OC'ed 600/485

Temp stays around max 96 degrees.

I also found a way to fix stuttering for alot of games! It seems the 8600m makes more stuttering when fps changes than most graphic cards. normally you only get stuttering if you go from like 100 fps to 25fps which is normal, hence the big drop. But with the 8600 we get it even from 60 to 30 and less.

Solution:

In games like WoW and COD4 you can set a max fps in the games ini file. I have set my MAX fps to "50", which now means in wow my fps is always between 45-50fps since my comp can do like 45-220fps depending on place, but since there is never a big change, but just stable 50fps ALL stuttering is 100% gone. played for 2½ hour yesterday and its smooth as a dream.

Same goes for COD4. good luck.

 

so basically we can just enable vsync? that should limit the fps to 60 aswell i reckon?

 

vsync stops framrate from getting higher that 60

 

Well in theory yes, but still no.. because 60 fps limit is still too high! you will still get stuttering in ex. wow if you manually limit your fps max to 60, 30 was a bit too low for me, but 50 is just perfect.

 

I dont get it, having vsync on will just stop the GPU from producing more than 60 FPS, if the GPU doesnt produce that much the framerate goes lower than 60. How can this cause stuttering??

 

Test it out.. you will see.. its not what the max is. its all about stopping the fps to change within a large range. And since most games dont run constantly at 60 frames with rather high ress and good settings. 60 fps max will still make it stutter since it goes from 40 to 60. By limiting it to 50 the range of fps change is lower, which stops the stuttering.

 

Not exactly. The vsync syncronize your games frames with your monitors Hz. Which results in smoother gameplay, were the frames sync together.

 

well I dont have any stuttering even if my fps swings around from 40 to 60

 

Interesting trick! I get 4560 in 3Dmark06 in the same resolution and without the add-on cooler.

 

3DMark Score 4560 3DMarks

SM 2.0 Score 1893 Marks

SM 3.0 Score 1792 Marks

CPU Score 1727 Marks

 

wow great solution thomaskc, games run stutterless now.. although i dont configure the games ini files, enabling vsync for all applications work fine for me

 

@syre

Good to hear Atleast we now know the root of this problem, or rather when it happens! So now we just need a bios update or so for the 8600m I guess.

 

thomaskc.dk

Played UT3 yesterday. I can play with lower setting and high resolution and it runs nice. But only for 10-15 minutes. Then it starts lagging like hell and becomes totally unplayable. I have also gotten HUGE FPS drops in WoW (from 60 to 10). But not after playing a specific amount of time.

 

Gaaah.... why do I get FPS drops all the time when playing WoW? Every two minutes the FPS droppes to the exact amount of 15FPS or 20FPS. How can that be? Is this the same you experienced thomas? Any suggestion what to do thomas?

Feels like the GPU down clockes for a couple of minutes til the temp is allright again. Or something like that.

 

Well, it might be bad code, have you gotten any updates to WoW lately. At least in Project Reality Mod for BF2 one chopper have the so-called merlin-lag (the choppers name is Merlin) wich occurs in either fps drop to 0 for one second or jerky game overall (and no, its not caused by not computer being able to handle the graphics, it usually gets sorted by restarting the game). The wierdest is that it occurs ONLY in the pilot seat, not any other seat .

 

It's not bad code, blackbird and I figured it was powermizer which made ALL these errors !! and we've found a fix!

posted by blackbird:

Alright, I reckon I might have a fix that should work in theory for everyone.

Well the stuttering has been narrowed down to powermizer doing all weird sorts of **** in the new drivers, or the bios reading and reporting the wrong temperatures causing the systems to lower their clocks to reduce temperature and thus cause stuttering. OR it could be powermizer interpreting the temperatures incorrectly

Some people here have noted this behavior as when the stuttering occurs the rivatuner monitor shows the gpu clocks decrease.

Anyway the toshiba folks got this fixed by a bios update (hinting towards incorrect temp reading)

Before you attempt these, just try turning powermizer completely off in the nvidia control panel upon new driver install and see if that helps.

Also do the standard procedure stuff as well like, defrag harddrive, check to see if it is indeed a temperature problem(not incorrect reading but realy high temps causing overheating), if it is please do NOT atttempt solution 2.

For the rest there are two solutions that I suggest (Follow at your own risk, I wont be held responsible for any damage done)


Solution

This is for those who want the optimizations of the newer drivers and still have no stuttering

First off dont apply this tweak if you dont know what your doing and dont apply it upon every new driver install if it works for you, as maybe in the newer drivers the stuttering wont be a problem (as its the case for me in 169.28 for xp 32bit).


Anyway install rivatuner 2.06

Run rivatuner and go to power user

Expand Rivatuner / Nvidia / Overclocking

Select EnableLowPower3dControl and type in 1 (you should see 1 next to it and a yellow light bulb appear)

Expand Rivatuner / Nvidia / Overclocking / Global

Select MaxClockLimit and enter in a large value lik 800

Now go to system settings (where the overclocking is done and all that)

Tick the box to enable overclocking

Note down your clock speeds for performance 3d

Now select low power 3d and change the clocks to match those of your performance 3d.

Do the same for standard 2d

Now all three, standard 2d / low power 3d / performance 3d / should have the same clock speeds.

Apply these settings and exit rivatuner


Go ahead and try your games....this should stop stuttering if its due to powermizer as when powermizer goes into powersaving it will be the same clocks as your performance 3d.

This solution could potentially be dangerous if your cause for powermizer dipping into powersaving mode is in reality due to high temperatures, so please be carefull and monitor your temps.


Well hope these help, and giving credit where its due, thx to theforreunner and nealyblue, as their thoughts led me to my conclusion. - End

And this works! cod4 wow and everything else ive tried never gets fps drops anymore! even in vista x64!

Have fun

*note zepto* fix please?

 

Done it! Gonna test now.

 

Id like to bring back this thread... because yes it seem the worst stuttering is gone by overclocking 2d and low3d.

But id like to hear from people playing WoW with 8600m cards.. because my comp is acting REALLY bad when i enter some areas on Outlands, and no matter what I do with my nvidia settings, when i go below 42fps things start to jump around again, a bit like the stuttering -start-stop-start-stop motion thing, no clue if it IS that or not, but it makes things like jump on my screen again, which isnt very pleasent..... so far wow is the only game ive seen it in.

Anyone else playing wow with 8600? and what settings and res you use, also whats your fps. THanks!

 

well at 42 FPS there shouldnt be any stuttering. When you go below 10 it goes jerky

 

I play WoW also sometimes and normally the kind of stuttering mentioned by thomaskc is because of internet lag/server issues.
I've had this issue happen on more than one occation on different machines with widely different configurations (and none of them where with 8600M GT cards).

 

I honestly do not get this stuttering issue, I have mine connected to a monitor as well. My friends were playing NFS Pro Street for hours over LAN, no complaints except the bad LAN code they used.

 

Ive looked more into the WoW problem, and it seems there are LOTS of people having problems with fps, stuttering, dodgy gameplay and latency jumps since patch 2.0.3. Some has fixed it by disabling sound, others by tweaking vista wireless settings and some like me, cant do much other than limit max fps to get some kind of steady gameplay.

but it seems its more wrong with wow than peoples hardware at the moment.

funny thing is though, the first 20 - 30 secs when i enter game, its runs so great! and then the slowdowns and speedups starts.

from wow forum:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=269487233&sid=1

scroll down and check the last post. might help some. good luck