3E Which OS do you use that works . Linux Windows ?

Seems to be challenging to boot from usb.
I think it has to do with this being UEFI and not BIOS.
So your Linux sticks must be setup for UEFI with the boot//system info on the stick.
I bet OSX will run like a champ on this..
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Info copied from online.

You just need a UEFI Bootable USB. Use an app called rufus to make one, worked like a charm for me to install the Pro version of Windows 8.1 32bit on this thing.

Use Tutorial 1 on this page:
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/15458-uefi-bootable-usb-flash-drive-create-windows.html
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This page may have some info.
https://kb.stonegroup.co.uk/index.php?View=entry&EntryID=405
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For older model
https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/tutorials/32-bit-ll-3-2-intel-classmate-touchscreen-netbook/
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This is for an older model Classmate, but it may help
http://aesmat1.blogspot.com/2014/09/how-to-install-android-x86-4.html

 

Interesting info on Linux boot with UEFI

https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/uefi

 

UEFI boot is the trick.
I have a win10 install usb stick and the 3E booted right to it.

Have I ever checked into a live OSX usb stick?....I can't recall...

 

Tried Antix live
32bit
partition set as MBR with EFI boot
I get an error box. something about image...

 

Win 10 live usb works.
Keyboard and touchscreen did not. A driver issue I am sure.
A usb mouse worked fine in win 10 live..

I will be brave and upgrade this to Win 10 soon.

 

Shawn,

Keep updating us. As much as I love XP, gonna make a clean break from it. Got a few old laptops that I keep around and just got around to updating a security patch from a few months ago. Didn't know that Windows released the patch for XP. Resisted long enough..making the move to 7 or 10 from now on.

 

I have 8.1 on mine and so far I'm unable to boot from usb. That's not a big deal for me. I was going to try Linux but I'll get back to it this week.

 

Jeff and I are working on a Linux solution.

 

I'd like to see a picture of your hard drive partitions from gparted.....or maybe rufus though I am on a learning curve with that.

 

how about win8.1 disk management?

 

Here's some info. From what little I have read, Ubuntu should do UEFI out of the box..

http://tuxdiary.com/2014/07/23/linux-distros-with-uefi-support/
Linux distros with UEFI support

UEFI laptops are very common nowadays. Popular distros like Ubuntu, Fedora. OpenSUSE etc. come with UEFI support. But how about some relatively lightweight distros which can boot fast, from from USB and are useful for quick browsing sessions without saving anything on the disk? Unfortunately, UEFI support is still not very common across Linux distros. There are hacks to make them work (like I did for Slitaz or ArchBang in the past, introducing rEFInd etc.) but end-users will definitely look for something that works out of the box. While we couldn’t find distros as light as Slitaz, we found some less than 800MB distros which work out of the box on UEFI devices. We have only tested x86_64 ISOs as UEFI is more common on 64-bit hardware. We tested these distros on a UEFI VM and as there was no option to enable Secure Boot we can only claim that these work fine with Secure Boot disabled. Tested versions are recorded because older versions might not have UEFI support.

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https://itvision.altervista.org/best-linux-distro-this-year.html

On UEFI Secure Boot
Currently two leading Linux distributions support secure UEFI boot out of the box: Fedora (choose 64bit XFCE or KDE version if you're not sure what you need to download) and Ubuntu. In my own experience Fedora works fine with secure UEFI - I've tested it on my laptop.

 

I had a break-through.
This is MX-16 SSD formatted GPT. as shown following:

1. Burn the 64bit USB stick in EFI mode then:
2. I used MX installer from the LiveUSB TO the SSD.
3. Format drive while installing.
4. I don't HAVE a UEFI machine so just did it anyway un-checking the MBR box.

In a 64bit machine esp will be default location for grub .
Reference Dolphin Oracle video re:UEFI <7minutes


Messy post.

 

Thanks Sheepman & Shawn for sharing. I'm leaving for a 3 week assignment with a 3E in tow, and will report back from the Linux side of things.

 

trying to make ubuntu uefi usb

info from here. https://www.vanstechelman.eu/content/creating-an-uefi-bootable-linux-usb-stick?page=1

Use Rufus as follows:

1. Set “Partition scheme and target system type” to “GPT partition scheme for UEFI computer”.
2. Set “File system” to “FAT32 (default)”
3. Set “Cluster size” to “4096 bytes (default)”
   
4. Select “Create a bootable disk using ISO”
5. Select the Ubuntu ISO.
6. Make sure that Rufus hasn’t changed the partitioning scheme after you have selected the ISO.

Comments
GPT partition scheme
Submitted by Ahmad (not verified) on Tue, 04/04/2017 - 14:15

Do I select GPT partition scheme because the hdd has a gpt partition scheme or is that just the default setting?

This is necessary because
Submitted by Lode on Tue, 04/04/2017 - 15:01

This is necessary because some UEFI bootloaders don't recognize the USB stick if you select a different partition scheme.

 

I used a CF52S non UEFI with Rufus to make the usb stick.
Ubuntu 17 UEFI / GPT usb stick..
No joy.
Don't know for sure what the deal is with this 3E, but it appears that Windows 8 or 10 are the only OS options.
I think it has to do with secureboot. Don't know for sure, but I am done fighting with it.
It will stay win8 or be upgraded to win 10...
Unless Jeff can build a usb stick that works with UEFI on the 3E

I might try to build a usb stick right from the 3E. Not sure why that matters, but one of Jeff's video finds says it does. I am curious why it is so difficult to get a Linux UEFI usb stick.

 

Thanks for all your insight Shawn. I could not find a way to boot up the usb and then I read all 7 pages of posts for this topic.
I'll watch Sheepman's video and try some more. Does anyone know if there's a way to change boot order and possibly use a live cd or dvd image with an external optical drive? More reading needed.....this post seems promising:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=252351
This link shows that maybe the default usb burner in MX might work:
https://forum.mxlinux.org/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=42876&p=420844&hilit=uefi+usb#p420844

 

Sheepman, in item 1 above, what program did you burn the usb stick in EFI mode?

 

I didn't burn one. Used 32 bit for practice. Downloading 64 bit now at a staggering 75 KB/s (average)

Used MX Tools for everything after watching Dolphin's video a couple times.

 

delete key on boot gets you into bios/uefi. Boot order can be changed.
Maybe the usb stick does need DD to make it a "CD" and not a usb stick.

 

Ah, the delete key...thank Shawn! Lefty, I will burn you MX-16 stick send to you with all the updates. You like the little one's with floss, right?
Is the August okay snapshot okay? Do you want a straight vanilla off the press, or any special programs added into Persistence?
http://mxrepo.com/snapshots/?C=M;O=D
I get into Delaware tonight and will see how it goes and let you know.

 

It seems to me that rufus does automagically what Dolphin is saying.
I tried every possible combo in rufus with mx16 and ubuntu.
Nothing resulted in a bootable usb for the 3E.
I dunno.
I still think the inability to disable secureboot is the issue.
Maybe a full HDD wipe would work. Then the windows//secureboot files would not cause a problem.

 

Shawn...the boot attempts to bypass bios, fails and reverts to bios splash screen. Mainly because I'm using a W10 hdd that is not completely set up. I think the PATH to the recovery partition is not valid.
edit: which is a good thing as I then instruct the bios to boot from USB.


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Thanks Cleve, I'm running LiveUSB now. Persistent. With all current updates.
Here is how MX set up the new USB. edit:new screenshot
GPARTED:

 

info

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SecureBoot#efilinux_bootloader

 

My advice Give up on Linux on a 3E.
Secure boot keeps it from working.
Since this is NOT a retail market device, it is very possible the Firmware will NEVER accept or run Linux.

I officially give up as I may have bricked this 3E..
I tried to get into the UEFI settings through win8.1 and it locked up..
Could not shut it off..I may have to wait hours for the battery to drain.

 

I tore it apart and unplugged the battery.

Plugged in a Win10 install usb and it booted from the usb stick instantly.
I am now upgrading?? to windows 10.


https://www.intel.co.za/content/www/za/en/support/education/000006412.html

 

GOOD reading from here.. Classmate 3 is another name for the 3E
https://kb.stonegroup.co.uk/stone-c...an-operating-system-and-using-disk-im_390.pdf

Stone Classmate 3 Firmware Features - Information for Installing an Operating System and
Using Disk Imaging Software
New UEFI Firmware Features
The Stone Classmate 3 like many new tablets has been designed to provide the latest firmware features including:
Rapid boot times (including support for Windows Fastboot).
Support for Windows 8 secure boot.
Support for other recent industry standards which include security, power management and compatibility.
Support for Windows 8.1 x86 only.
This new firmware feature set is known as "UEFI" and it replaces the traditional BIOS code for configuring and booting a machine into the operating
system.
The "BIOS setup" screen may look very similar to setup screens of previous models, but the BIOS code underneath is very different to models of just
a few years ago.
As a Windows 8.x only unit, the Classmate 3 does not support legacy BIOS compatibility modes. This is a reflection upon the industry'sdrive to
improve the usability and features of new systems, albeit at the cost of reducing legacy support.
What Does this Mean in Terms of Installing an Operating System?
This means that the operating system you want to install needs to support UEFI features, such as the GPT ("GUID Partition Table")method of disk
partitioning. Windows 8.x supports this method. The older "master boot record" or MBR method of partitioning hard drives is not supported by the
Classmate 3.
Note:
This means that Windows 8.x images created in MBR mode cannot be used on the Classmate 3 until the boot loader has been reconfigured to
use UEFI. Additionally, we always recommend the preparation of fresh software images for each model of machine you plan to deploy.

 

As I read that, I understand something. You may NEED to create the usb stick on a computer that supports GPT partitioning.

 

upgraded to windows 10 pro.
seamless upgrade.
Had to reinstall the wifi driver.

Ran O&O shutup win10
Ran UWT for win 10.
It works------classicshell had to adjust itself.

Windows 10 is better than windows 8.1 on this.

 

I'm on the little guy, but can not boot into bios. Delete key does not seem to work

 

In windows, hold shift and click restart.
then troubleshoot
then advanced
then uefi firmware

I think that's right
That may work for you.

link

https://www.google.com/search?q=win...UJ3YMKHW_VBL4Q_AUICSgA&biw=1280&bih=645&dpr=1

 

Shawn, thanks very much that link worked! I'm doing some more reading and found this as well:
https://www.google.com/search?sourc...j0i13k1j0i8i13i30k1j33i22i29i30k1.i-9bjXJk35U
Thanks

 

Thanks Shawn, what program did you use to burn the Win10 iso to usb?

 

Win 10 runs nice on the 3E.
Just add UWT and classicshell.

Microsoft media creator app. If I recall, I save it in iso form then used rufus to create the usb stick.

32bit

https://www.google.com/search?q=media+creator+windows+10&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

 

media creator app will create the usb if you want it to.

 

Great.
I'm giving it a shot and I will let you know.
Getting used to the keyboard.
Really wanted to run Linux but secure boot has me stumped

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secure boot frustrated me way too much. I HAD to stop.
Maybe Jeff can figure it out.

Win10 runs nice on this.

 

I got to hand it to them, I was unable to get around safe boot. I had another couple of laptops like this and I would put windows on a CF-30 then move the drive over, obviously not so easy here.

 

I've given up for now also.
Keeping it as a travel pc in case some learning modules won't load on Linux.
I hate windows 10, can't even find the downloaded receipts to attach to an expense report.


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Load Classic shell.
It makes win10 run like win7

 

I was looking into running Linux on the 3E some more, and came across this tutorial:

However, I think you might need 64 bit Windows 10 anniversary to run Ubuntu in BASH
Look up Bash on Ubuntu for more information:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install_guide

 

Another tip for windows 10.

grab an app called oldnewexplorer. http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/170375-oldnewexplorer-118/
It eliminates the ribbon and puts things back to win 7 style in file explorer.

 

Finally got the 3E after two weeks.....

Running 8.1 with Linux in Oracle VM.

I like this little turkey. Especially the Fn key on the right side.

 

Has anyone tried just booting from USB DVD drive to install Ubuntu, which supports UEFI? Or is Secure Boot the issue?

 

I have tried Ubuntu from a usb stick..Would a DVD make a difference?
I did try DD mode which makes the stick appear as a DVD

I am pretty sure Secure boot is the issue.

 

"Or is Secure Boot the issue?"

that secure boot stuff is a disastrous mess , including UEFI as a part of the whole .
i fought with a machine that was supposedly made to run the UEFI/secure boot ...
i could not get it to load any copy of W10 .
as i recall , UEFI is not new , it has been around about as long as BIOS has ...
back in the day , there was a competition between the two ... something akin to tesla's AC (polyphase) system and edison's DC system .
except that UEFI died out much quicker , the exact reasons escape me at the moment .
a trip to wiki provides some information :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
https://www.maketecheasier.com/differences-between-uefi-and-bios/

 

I'm just wondering if Rufus makes a fully UEFI compatible USB Linux stick.

Ubuntu 16.04 DVDs are definitely UEFI bootable in other computers. I've used Live DVD many times to back up data on messed up Windows computers with UEFI BIOS. (Still not sure about Secure Boot though.)

 

I was using rufus 2.14.
Maybe I will burn a DVD and try that, just for fun.
Win 10 runs nice on this since I tweaked win 10.

 

I have an asus ultrabook here, will only boot uefi and Linux Mint 17.3 will boot from usb , safe boot is the problem, it will never boot from anything until that is disabled.

 

the way i see it coming down the pike , is that the *marriage* of secure boot and uefi is more of a "lock the layman out" , "no educated users allowed" , "our way or the highway" and "KMA/KOA" .
(if this smacks of the way that apple does things , then well it should raise the hackles on your neck)
the potential for misuse based on greed is very strong .

why am i reminded of the first copy of abbie hoffman's "steal this book" i ever seen ...
locked away behind the glass of a display case ?

 

I've tried backing up Windows 10 on this using acronis and paragon.
The restore USB boots into a environment sorta like terminal, however no drivers load to allow a restore. In other words, mouse etc do not work.
I'm fairly certain that it is a secure boot function.


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