7200 Rpm Hd?

No. I think that would be specific to the Protege. If you bought Norton or Acronis, it would come with the CD to boot to. If you went the other route, then you would just be copying your old hard drive directly to your new one, then swapping the old with the new and it would boot up on its own with the new hard drive. I think that would be the easiest route for you to take. Go buy Norton or Acronis, and the caddy to hold your new drive that allows it to plug into USB port, and just "Clone" your old disk to the new. Either software will walk you through that process. Then when it is done, take out your old hard drive and replace it with the new.

Happy Cloning,

Paul

 

I just bought a cf-28 caddy that has WinXP "Preloaded" on it from Shooter0039 on ebay. He sells them from time to time. He is also supposed to be sending me recovery disks for the CF-28... We'll see what happens.

I'll ask him if he has any recovery disks for the MK2 cf-29... I'll let you know what I find out...

 

O.K., I pretty much understand Doobi's explanation. However, if I read him correctly, Doobi's solution would require the purchase of one of the two software programs and the USB enclosure to clone the new HD. If that's the case, it would seem to be quite an added expense.

If we can come up with the recovery discs, and I understand the concept correctly, then I could install the new blank HD, boot up from the recovery disc(s) and then reload all of the "stuff" off of my existing HD from the MYBOOK external USB HD.

If the latter concept is correct; and we can find the recovery discs, I'd be happy to purchase them and let folks on this thread use them to reload or whatever it's called. Doesn't seem to me to be anything wrong with doing that.

 

I will happily pay for a set of CF28-MK3 recovery disks/cd's I've tried using cloning (I have a CMS external usb caddy) and my images don't seem to be working (I've tried 5 or 6 times) I am beginning to think there is something going on with the external enclosure.

If I find a set I will put them up for anyone with a COA. (ISO images)

 

Is there a way to create a recovery disc for a 28 mk2 with a working copy of XP and the key? Or, Is there a place to get a recovery disc. I have several HDD from other brand machines (Hp and Dell) that I do have recovery disc for, will that help me any.

I have a new 100GB HDD on the way.

 

It's probably not worth the effort to make one. The only real difference in the recovery disc compared to a regular install is that you get the drivers installed with it.

Of course I'm too cheap to buy a $30-50 set of discs that'll save me 10 minutes

 

Yes Pappy, unfortunately, the solution I suggested is costly. You CAN do it other ways, but they require a certain level of expertise and/or experience that for those that don't have, would become very frustrated and probably irate trying. It is my experience that the ease of the solution usually comes with a higher price tag; unfortunately. I am sure others will have dissenting opinions, but for me, it has always been about having the right tools for the job.

If you had recovery disks, that would always be my first choice. I am merely offering alternative solutions to those that don't have the disks, nor the expertise/experience to transfer their data through Windows. If you haven't done it before, or at least a few times, it can be frustrating and time consuming. That is all I was trying to avoid by suggesting 3rd party software and the external HD caddy. More expense, but less loss of sanity IMHO.

 

Well the bidding was fast and furious for the recovery disks last night. I went all the way up to $78 for the MK3 disks for the 28 but was outbid. I did get the MK2 disks for the 29 though. I emailed the guy about swapping "info" but he hasn't responded. According to a guy who wanted to buy his laptop for sale... That is why he DIDN'T buy from him... He doesn't communicate well. So I will be picking up an additional sale today. (Hopefully!)

Anyway... I chatted with Erick at Cybertools last night. He said that the MK2 disks for the 28 are extremely rare. (I think we all know that) He deals in buying and selling this stuff more than I do so he would be the one that knows for sure.

 

the best software I have used for cloneing a HD is paragon HD manager. It is easy to use will recognize unformatted disks, and multiple types like all the FATS and ext2 and ntfs and a couple more I think. I just used it with a $14.95 usb HD enclosure to install windows 98 and Xp on my new to me cf-28.
Easy and fast although I used XP to quick format the hard drive. did not want to wait three hours for paragon to do a full surface scan and format.

One tip I would also give is to run SpinRite on your Old HD before cloneing it, spinRite will take a long time but if there is anything wrong with your old HD spinrite will extract all the data it can from bad areas and relocate the data.

I had my home unit HD go bad on me and I was only getting The BSOD at boot, Used spinrite= bingo booted all the way no prob, then I used Paragon to copy the entire contents of my OLD HD to my NEW HD and then told Paragon to set the new one as active. Removed the old drive and booted= perfect. I then tossed the old drive.

Hope this helps someone.

Lokinb

 

Are you looking for xp or win 2000 recovery cd's of cf-28 MK3? I've got the recovery cd's but for win 2000 only. PM me if you need it

 

Ahhh... good old SpinRite. Great product for IDE drives; but I really think they need to cut the price at least in half, considering the age of the product and the huge licensure fees Gibson got from M$ for using the surface scan engine in every version of windoze since 98SE. We're ALREADY paying for it; why should we pay another 90 bux for a product that's only had occasional patch support for the last what 3 or 4 years? That's a flippin' LIFETIME.

mnem
Steve - wake up & smell the @SS... oh wait, that's your breath...

 

I just logged on to Zipzoomfly to check an order... The first one I have done in a long time. I saw an order I made back on October, 2005 for the same Hitachi hard drives that now cost us $89... I paid $280 for it 2.5 years ago! That was when it first came out... (Yes.... I always have to be the first on my block. I got that from my Father.)

Nothing like technology, eh?

I remember my dad building the first LED calculator in the area. He paid $279 for a kit he had to build himself! Now you can buy them in the dollar store... My how time flies...

 

Ayuh, I remember my first LED calculator. The worst part was replacing the candles everytime they burned out. One day I forgot to turn it off, and the barn caught on fire. [hawk, spit] You young bucks don't know how good you have it today.

Seriously, the first calculator with memory (and graphing capability) I worked with in college was a Wang, the size of an all in one printer/copier today, and could take maybe 100-200 operations (basically machine code type entries).
The equivalent of a (dumb) graphing calculator kids use in elementary school now.

 

TB - I appreciate your research on Hard Drives and I am going to follow your recommendation - I have searched the forum and find a lot of "is this OK" kinda questions and specific HD's being linked to - I was wondering If you could for use rookies what are the requirements for a CF-28 HD. When I look up HD's I see ton's of them - Just a thought - Thanks and off to tear apart my first HD.

 

Heck,

I paid $50.00 for a "used" Phasar or Pulsar something or other goldtone LED watch back in '76. The damn things were a $100.00 new.

Do any of you remember how much $50.00 was in 1976!!!!

That was more than a weeks pay!

The wierdest thing is, I THINK I STILL HAVE IT! must be around here somewhere....

 

Yup... Pulsar made one... My Dad had a "Benrus"... After he died my Mom found it and gave it to me. I have it somewhere in my stash of "Dad's Stuff." It was almost 3/4 of an inch thick, had a dark red crystal and you had to push a button to see the time... Which was a VERY small trade-off for the coolness factor!

 

Didn't any of you boys ever use a slide rule run solutions in calculus class?

 

*Raises his hand slowly*

*Suddenly feels VERY old...*

mnem
*Sigh*

 

I was nevr with the slide rule crowd... Though I have a few of my Dad's old ones.

 

You guys are all making me feel young

I wasn't even born til 1984... I don't remember the days of tight pants, disco balls, or huge oversized LED watches

 

Disco Balls???, he said with a sheepish grin with his best Mnem imitation....

 

Disco balls, disco balls; I think I caught that from a gal in the 70s. Cleared right up after a penicillan IV.

 

<Laughing insanely and the whole lot of you!>

Modly... That was an era that you probably did well to avoid... I remember the hippy days when I had hair down to the middle of my back and "Far Out" was the cool saying! I came in on the end of "Groovy"...

Pappy... Yup... You used to be able to get a shot... Now you just die. I'm glad I'm married... To a hottie no less. 9 years younger than me... And I'm <taking off shoes to count> 46 now...

Peace!

 

I was taking physics in college about 15 years ago. There was a giant wall-size sliderule on the wall in one of the labs. I remember one of the students asking what it was Even funnier than that, none of the TA's or profs knew how to use it!

The engineer of today is a different animal than the engineer of yesteryear. Just think of all the things that have become completely extinct:

slide rule
triple-beam balance
drafting board/tools

And probably a bunch of other things that i can't think of offhand!

 

Good lord... I REMEMBER 1984. Reagan got reelected, we had untrained idiots in place of Air Traffic Controllers, and the national deficit was nearing 3 Trillion dollars thanks to... you guessed it... trickle-down economics. Oh, and there was this little thing called Iran-Contra... What's a little high treason as long as we keep it all in the family?

mnem
Woe oh oh oh oh oh
...and she's flying... the Airway... to heaven.
Because guiding them in
to the airport's chagrin
is a busboy from Seven-Ele-even.

Once, the skyways were scanned
and the airtowers manned
by experienced air traffic contro-ollers.
But the guys now employed
find it hard to avoid
hitting bridges, tugboats and stro-ollers...

Woe oh oh oh oh oh
...and she's flying... the Airway... to heaven.

 

Disco balls??? I won't touch that one with a 10-foot pole... and we don't grow NEAR that tall...

mnemski
My great great umpteen times great grandfather was a Cossack... he had a saying. "Life is hard. Fortunately, it is also short."

 

Wow, a game of Contra that took place in Iran?

Heh, couldn't resist. I was too busy watching You Can't Do That on Television to pay attention back then.

 

*Just shakes his head and slips back into his cave... then tunes in to Battlestar Ponderosa reruns on NBC.com*

mnem
It is said that those who ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them... BUT WHY DO YOU IGNORANT SODS HAVE TO DRAG THE REST OF US ALONG WITH YOU WHEN YOU DO???

*Steps down off his soap-box*

 

Hi Guys,

Here is my question for the Toughbook engineers here (smile) The
cf-73 only uses ATA-6, I want the highest capacity hard drive that
is 7200, but I cannot find anything over 100 gig that is 7200 esp
ATA? I like the Hitachi line as was mentioned.

Any help would be appreciated, COST is not the factor here,

Thanks

John

 

This would be a good question to ask in a general notebookreview forum, as it applies to notebooks other than toughbooks. personally, i haven't found 7200 RPM + PATA + >100GB yet.

 

For info to those out there who are as computer challenged as I am; I installed my new 100gig, 7200 rpm HD. With a little help from Toughbook I was able to get it up and running by using the 29 Mk2 recovery discs and cook booking the instructions from the operator's manual. That section of the operator's manual (clever) was titled reinstalling software.

If I can do it, anyone out there can do it. I did a "clean" install and put back only the items from the old HD that I didn't have fresh software for.

If you've been lurking, wondering if you could do it, go for it!

Observations: Faster. Quieter. No way to measure temps. but just resting my hand on the area above the HD; seems like it is running cooler than before the change.

 

Pappy,
Thanks - I just ordered 2 to do. Never done it before, so it's good to see your results. I agree thanks to Toughbook !!!!!!

 

I have seen a 120MB, 7200RPM Hitachi drive... But it was insanely priced considering if you shop around you can find a 100GB for $89... (I think they wanted like $159 for the 120GB drive)

Oh... By the way... I scored the MK2 Recovery disks for the 800Mhz Toughbook... I'm pretty sure it is for an XP setup but I'll have to try them to make sure. The "code" on the disks shows XP though. I'll keep you guys posted.

On still a a separate note... I downloaded Acronis to use to clone a disk I bought from Shooter0039 on ebay. (Good Guy!) He was the one that sold me the Recovery Disks too. He "says" that it is preloaded with XP... It contains a sysprep file that sets it up just like a brand new laptop when you boot it up. It doesn't ask for the COA "since you have one on the bottom of your laptop already"... so the auction goes.

I like the sysprep idea. I sure would like to be able to load all the stuff on the laptops I sell and, instead of typing "New User" for every COA, be able to close it down, include the sysprep file and have the customer be able to type in their name instead of having to live with "New User" (I think that was the longest run-on sentence I have ever typed!) Anyway... Does anyone know if I can load all my programs including all the recent updates up to the point of sale... Then install a sysprep file so that it will be like a brand new laptop when they get it? Sorry for the OT...

 

In a word, yes. This is EXACTLY what we did when deploying machines. You installed essentially EVERYTHING, then YOU run sysprep on the machine. Once the end user gets it and turns it on, it picks up the OS install where they type their name, time-zone, etc... Just be sure that you are installing everything under ADMIN, and remove anything that needs to be removed, and empty recycle bin BEFORE you run sysprep. Just to make sure they get a "clean" computer. If you forget, go ahead and setup the pc, delete the stuff, then run sysprep again. It can be run multiple times if need be. I highly recommend it, and if you are not already using it and building pc's/laptops for anyone, get it. Its free; its simple; and it works!

 

Is it fairly easy to pick up on? I was reading at MS' site... It seems the tool is already on the XP CD? Is that correct? It looked like it was as easy as just answering questions and then clicking a button. Is that about it or is it painfully involved?

 

Okay - I picked up a copy of Acronis True image 11 Home edition at staples today. I think I have a handle on what it does, but I am a little stuck on the best way to clone a large hard drive - what is the best method. I do have a Seegate 120G but it requires to USB and high speed at that so it is out. Key fobs are to small and I dont want a stack of CD's - am I missing something. I want to be able to clone and move to a new HD. Seams to be a pretty sweet program though - will even clone my linux partition. whish I had that las week - just had a crash and had to reload from scratch - ouch. Thanks

 

I did my first clone with Acronis over my LAN to my PC. the laptop had to be cable-connect I believe, but it did work great. The problem I had was how to restore from that location? Couldn't figure that out so I went and bought the USB caddy thing that holds a drive. It works seamlessly and is what I will use to upgrade this HD to the 100/7200 when I get it.

 

All this hard drive talk, I had to jump in.

I still got a 4200 rpm hitachi in my Toughbook, runs remarkably fast for a crap 4200 rpm drive. But, I know those 7200 RPM drives rule!

My Question is, would I be able to get more bang for my buck (space) and get a 5400 rpm Seagate one? Or will only the Hitachi ones work on the CF29?

Also... I thought I would mention that I used to work with CF29s for a living, I made a bootable CD that has DOS USB 2.0 drivers and Ghost! Cloning your drive is easy as pie!

 

How can I get a copy of that CD Electro? Would love to have it!!

 

Dude, I will hook you up!

I added extra other goodies too!

However, It's gonna have to wait. Because I am very grumpy !!!


I decided to order one of those Hitachi Drives from zipzoom fly. I was delighted to find it for $96. After a few hours I decided to order. They raised it to $104. After about an hour of trying to see if I could get the $96 price, I decided to give up and just pay the $104, as it wasn't much more. As Son as I did the priced jumped up again to $119! 3 price changes in just a few hours!

I contacted customer service, and they refused to sell the drive for anything less than $119. Even though it's still listed here at $96. http://search.zipzoomfly.com/?Key=HTS721010G9AT00&Category=00&x=7&y=13

Sorry to rant, but I am really upset. Not at anyone here. You guys seem supper cool! But, at zipzoomfly.

Anyone know a store that sells these for a reasonable price that isn't evil?

I am almost tempted to get a referb, those they havn't changed the price on (yet) but, I don't think I feel comfortable buying a refurbished hard drive, nore do I want to order anything from this company.


When I settle down from my angered state, and become happy again. I will totaly share my utilities CD for the CF-29 and other secrets!

 

For the CF-29... If you have 1GB of RAM... I'd go with the 5400 and more space/less money.... It seems that we have singlehandedly raised the price and scarcity of these drives EVERYWHERE! By the way... Any 2.5" ATA-6 drive will work.... The 27/28/29 use the ATA-6 connection and the CF-30 uses the SATA connection... So go shopping.

Yeah... I followed the link and it still shows $96 and when you click it to order it magically appears as $119! (AFTER REBATE!) Booooo ZipZoom... I just bought 6 drives from them and I think those will be my last... I need to order more in another week or so... So I will paying out the clams to someone else... Newegg is out too BTW... Their "Auto Notify" feature doesn't even work on them anymore! Booo Newegg.... Ahhhh... Booo on the whole lot of them!

 

Yah man, I agree... the 1.5 Gigs of Ram in my CF-29 really does make it hall ass!

Speaking of which, I am a little confused why you have 1.2 GB of ram insted of 1.5 GB? How did that come to be? Was the internal memory module on your CF29 256megs? and you added a 1 GB expansion?

Back to the hard drive... Sending 3 emails to ZipZoom and Calling them several times, I FINALLY got a call back from a gentalmen who was willing to listen to me. I placed my order, and he said he would refund the difference.

And... Yes, Newegg is always my #1 choice! I guess we did clean out these drives! heh.

Anyway, I got to say.. I am so happy I found this forum.

At my last job I worked with the CF29's, 73s, and even some older Pentium 3 ones, and even Pentium II ones... (the CF-# alludes me atm).
I am very proud of the automated cloning and restoring system I set up during my time there. And I did my fair share of hacking, tweeking, and upgrading of them to boot!

I use my CF29 Exclusively for "Serato Scratch Live" By RANE It's a USB interface and software application for DJing. I use it with my Toughbook at every gig, and am always the envy of all the other DJS.

Here is a link to it in case your interested: http://www.scratchlive.net/about/scratchlive/

When I get the time, I would love to fit in one of those back lit keyboards!

Now, I got to dig up m CF-29 Untilities CD to share with my other Thoughbook friends.

 

that is really cool! can you do stuff with that like run dmc and the fat boys did?

 

What do you mean WE???!!! I hope you have a mouse in your pocket! hahahahaha I think it was ALL you boy! WOOOOOOOTTTT! TB SETS THE MARKET FOR 7200 DRIVES!!!!

 

Hmmmm... I probably buy 10 - 15 per month... Hardly sparking a run on the market!

<I took the mouse out... He ate a hole in my pocket and the rest of my money fell out!>

 

Interestingly enough, I grabbed a drive yesterday from zipzoomfly at the $96 mark. Looks like I "lucked" out on that one..

 

zipzoomfly has refurbished models - are they to be avoided?

Only 30day warranty and only a few dollars less than the new ones with full warranty - if the new ones are ever available again.

BTW: Is it possible that Hitatchi has abandoned production of the ATA-6 model in favor of the newer SATA format?

ALSO, in the CF-28 does it remain correct that for improved performance upgrading the HDD to 7200RPM is the best first step followed by upgrading memory to 512 from 256?

 

I doubt that Hitachi would abandon such a lucrative market. There are A LOT of laptops out there that can benefit from the increased performance of the 7200 rpm drive. They aren't going to be outdated for many years to come.

As far as the RAM goes... I always upgrade the drive AND the RAM. Seems like they always run faster for me that way.

 

Would you recommend waiting for a new one versus a refurb?

 

Looks as though everyone Hitachi knows of in the pipeline is out of the ATA-6/PATA format drives we need:
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