7200 Rpm Hd?

Well guess I should have ordered more! I just got my 100/7200 from Zoomfly at the 96 bucks. It arrived today, I ordered it on Saturday along with an 80/7200 from Centrix Intl. Why did I order both on the same day you ask. Well I am still asking myself, so I have to claim old age!
During my search for the HDD I found that it is discontinued. So maybe the retailers are getting the notice and seeing sales are still good and raising the price. Hey ain't that price gouging?
Now gotta find the best deal on memory and XP.
Rick H...

 

I believe it.. I don't have numbers to back it up but i suspect they wouldn't get nearly the sales volume they'd want, making drives that they can't sell to the OEMs anymore. Most people looking for a replacement drive for an older notebook wouldn't know or care what the speed of the drive is. As long as it's a big enough capacity, they'll buy it.. its a much smaller segment of the population that would knowingly seek out a 7200 RPM drive over a slower one

 

Yes... But the people who are smart enough to swap out their own hard drive are most likely smart enough to realize the benefits of a faster hard drive.

Just my too scents...

 

Is the 5K160-series OK for the CF-28?

Hitachi Travelstar 5K160 HTS541680J9AT00 80GB Hard Drive $65.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mr. Colburn,

Thank you for contacting Hitachi Global Storage Technologies.

Our 7K100 series was announced End of Life (End of Production) as of
10.31.2007. We do not offer a 7200 RPM replacement in PATA interface. The
5K160 series is still in production if you would like to consider those. I
have included a link below:

http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.dac393208bfae6f199558fe7eac4f0a0/

Thank you and please let us know if we can be of assistance.
Regards, Lee C.

 

It will work in the CF-28 - but it is a 5400 RPM drive and will not provide the performance boost that most of us are looking for.

mnem
*Hates when manufacturers get lazy*

 

Anyone know of a 7200RPM alternative or are we simply stuck with 5400 for our "orphaned" ATA/PATA laptops?

 

We'll just have to keep looking for them... (And paying the price unfortunately!) I would think that the 5400rm drive would still be a boost over the 4200rpm drive that was stock... Just not as big a boost as the 7200..... %^&*%%#$#@W#$&*^&*(&(.... They had to go and do it... I can't believe it!

 

Maybe we SHOULD look into whatever Seagate has to offer. That 5 year warranty REALLY looks good now...

mnem
This is the way we wash our bits... wash our bits, wash our bits...

 

What about the Seagate Momentus 7200.1 series?
Ultra ATA/100 40GB ST94015A
Ultra ATA/100 60GB ST96023A
Ultra ATA/100 80GB ST980825A

Ooops! Their 80GB model is also out of stock:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16822146229

Double Ooops!
Just scoured the internet and all three Seagates are "backordered" everywhere. :-(

 

I was going to sell this to help pay for a 7200RPM, it would replace the Toshiba MK3021GAS 30GB ATA-2/3/4/5 2.5" that is in there.

Is this a worthwhile upgrade?

Western Digital Scorpio (WD800VE) 80GB 5400RPM 8MB ATA-6 Notebook Hard Drive OEM SKU: WD800VE

Manufacturer: Western Digital
Model Name: Scorpio
Model Number: WD800VE
Formatted Capacity 80GB
Form Factor: 9.5mm Notebook Hard Drive
Data Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 5,400 rpm
Latency Average: 5.5 ms
Seek Time Average: 12 ms
Interface Type: ATA-6
Warranty: 3 Years
Dimensions: 59 x 100 x 9.5mm (W x D x H)

 

Are you asking if the increase in speed is worth giving up that Scorpio drive? Well, I hate to let go of ANYTHING; so I'd try and keep it anyhow - but YES, even if you have to go down to a 60 GB drive to get the 7200 rpm speed; YES. It's worth it.

mnem
I've given up a lot for my love of the Toughbooks... first, my sanity...

 

No, what I was asking was if replacing the 30GB drive with the 80GB drive would gain me enough speed to bother since these are the specs of the Toshiba MK3021GAS that the 80GB WD would replace:
* 30GB capacity
* Fluid Dynamic Bearing (FDB) motor drive
* 9.5mm High
* 12ms Average Seek Time
* ATA-5 Interface
* 100MB/sec Transfer Rate
* 2,048KB Buffer
* 300,000 MTTF Hours

 

Any speed increase is worth the swap IMHO... The Seagate is a good drive. I used them before switching to Hitachi. They are slightly noisier (who cares) but they are also just slightly hotter and take just a little more juice. Also... I doubt if the 5 year warranty means anything if you tell them it failed in a Toughbook. They would probably say, "Yeah... And? You had this in a laptop with NO cooling fan? What did you expect would happen?"

I'll stick to trying to find Hitachi drives... Even if I have to pay a little more.

 

Ummm... and you think Jr Miss Minimum Wage on the other end of the phone is gonna KNOW your Toughbook has no cooling fan, or care? The cooling fan in ordinary laptops does nothing for the HD anyways. It's there to cool the CPU.

Besides, you can tell them "So... you're saying that Hitachi can make a drive good enough for my $6000 Toughbook, which cradles the HD like it was an egg, but you CANNOT?!?!?"

Heh.

mnem
Stick that in your stack & pop it...

 

BTW: In a related area, is the Crucial 512MB 144-Pin SO-DIMM PC 133 Laptop Memory Model CT64M64S4W75 most likely to work OK with my CF-28 (MKIII)?

 

Look here: http://www.techsunny.com/Hitachi_Travelstar_E7K100_Hard/0A26613/partinfo-id-3208562.html

 

I see thats an 80 gig and an HTE, Toughbook talks about the HTH beeing the one we want, whats the diff?
Rick H...

 

NOTE: "Stock Status: NO"

 

They had them at 10:30 EST, I bought 2. It seems you have to move quick!

 

You want the HTS... Not the HTE... If at all possible. It's probably no big deal but the HTS allows you to make changes to the performance/battery setup. You can use the Hitachi Feature Tool to make changes in the hard drive itself. You can also add Speed Boost 2K on the desktop which allows you to throttle performance. The HTE series doesn't allow this and doesn't have this feature.

The average Joe probably wouldn't know the difference between the two drives.

Just FYI....

(Yes... I read to much!)

 

Thanks for correcting me.. I knew is was NOT the HTE not sure where I got HTH.
Rick H...

 

FYI: Get 'em while they are hot!

Refurbished, only 40GB, hotter, noisier, more juice than a Hitachi ... but at least they are 7200RPM and are available ... more than one can say for the Hitatchi's!

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At $57 + Shipping? Uhhhhhhhh ... NO....

You can get a 160GB 5400rpm drive for that almost... I'd switch to 5400rpm first.... Refurbished hard drives scare me....



<BOO! > > > > > > > > >AHHAHHHHHHHHHHHH!>

 

Mmmhmmm... and that 180 Day Direct warranty is a far cry from the 5 YEAR warranty originally offered. Geeks is a great place to get closeout widgets & whatnot, but be sure what you're buying is new.

I bought 2 pairs of "refurbished" Logitech PS2 Wireless controllers from them; when they arrived, one from each pair had a permanent "crawl". I took both the bad ones & sent them back, they sent "new" replacements... one of THEM had the same issue. So after sending them back twice, I did finally get my two sets of controllers - but at an additional $15 shipping and a lot of hassle.

I usually get things like the $35 MOBO combos they have, or the discounted flash memory and USB HD enclosures and such. I've bought a lot of name brand stuff from them without issue, and their USB to IDE / SATA adapters
have never done me wrong; and they carry the CoolMax Digital Power Supply Tester at a reasonable price. Plus, you can always throw a few of their cheap LED flashlights in the order to give as gifts; they often have the keychain ones ridiculously cheap.

mnem
OI!

 

Hail to Toughbook - I just put a 60G - 7,200RPM into an 800Mhz - HOLY COW does it make a difference - I can't believe the difference - just as fast or faster than my Dell - I'm off to get more HD's - Thanks Toughbook !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

whats so special about the hitachi?

 

I've got the 100 gig, 7200 rpm model. The one real feature that I use a lot is that it has an adjustment feature that you can download from the Hitachi sight, that allows you set the power consumption lower for battery use or all out when plugged in.

I'm no expert, but it seems to run faster, quieter, and cooler. That's compared to my original HDD which was 60 gig, 5400rpm.

 

a normal laptop HD wouldn't cause problems would it?

after installing iguidance, I'm looking for a bigger HD. is this thing an improvement over stock, or is this what panasonic has in its machines already that makes them what they are?

 

I'm not totally sure that I understand your question so if I don't answer it fully, ask again.

The CF-29 machines come with a 5400 rpm HDD. I'm not sure about the CF-28s. The 7200 rpm HDD makes the machine do normal functions faster, so I would call this an improvement over stock. Adding RAM seems to have the same effect.

As for what "makes them what they are", if you referring to the HDD itself; I'd venture a guess that any quality HDD of the proper size and specifications would work just as well or better than "stock". My personal oppinion, based only on replacing my HDD, is that the HDD enclosure, the shock absorbing material, and the flexible power cord (not the correct nomenclature) are what make the Toughbook able to withstand the milspec testing protocol.

I never try to abuse my 29, but it does ride around in a one ton, 4 wheel drive pick up, all off road, or horse back in a saddle bag. We're located in a part of the World that's mostly hot and dry, flooding, or just plain dog gone cold. If you don't like the weather in Texas; just wait a few minutes.

 

When Shopping for a hard drive for your CF-28 or CF-29 you need to get an ATA-6 hard drive. The stock hard drive in the 28 was a 4200 rpm drive. The 29 came with a 5400 rpm drive. Going up to 7200 rpm makes a huge difference in performance in the 28 and a pretty good difference in the 29. Putting a 7200 rpm drive in a 1.2 or 1.3Ghz 29 would, I imagine, boost it up to around the performance level of the 1.6 area... maybe more if you max out the RAM.

 

I thought so, but I was just asking to be sure. I don't need a HD failure due to mechanics, this is my first toughbook, its "diffrent" than normal computers and laptops.

I'm not going to "try" to abuse this 29, but if I knew it wasn't going to take some abuse I probably wouldn't have bought a toughbook.

Also, heat resistance is a big factor where I am going, where this thing just might see operating temp from 120-140 degrees F, day in day out

 

I know some SpecWarriors who use the Toughbook in some of the worst climates of both extremes in the World.

I'd worry more about keeping myself hydrated than I would the Toughbook breaking down.

 

I've been searching high and low for the Hitachi HTS721010G9AT00 and it seems I am a couple of weeks late! Those left I've found are going for over $200! Does anyone know where to get them in the $100 range? Or if not what is your recommendation for a 7200rpm ATA drive with good power managment? Toughbook? What are you using now? Your expert advice would be greatly appreciated. I love rebuilding these things! Finally a fun laptop to work on! Thanks all!

 

I just went with the 60G version - plenty for me and well worth it - very fast!!!!

 

I too would like to upgrade my hard drive and always knew 7200 rpm desktop drives were faster but this may not be true for 2.5 laptop drives. I was looking at Tom' Hardware 2.5 hard charts to start looking for a good replacement for the Hatichi 7200rpm drive. I'm looking for three things speed, size power consumption and this Samsung Spinpoint M5 160GB hard drive looks to be pretty good. Has any one had any experience with this drive?

Link to charts: http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage25.html

Samsung Spinpoint M5 160GB Hard Drive
(Ultra ATA/100, 5,400, 8MB - MPN: HM160HC) Best Price $84 at your door.

Price Grabber Link: http://computers.pricegrabber.com/hard-drives/m/57254069/st=product/sv=title/

Its looks like it can stand more heat than cold and has good drop numbers

Some Specs:

Capacity (GB): 160
Interface: 2.5-in Mobile ATA6
Spindle Speed (RPM): 5400
Buffer Memory: 8MB
Average Seek (msec): 12
Average Latency (msec): 5.6
Maximum External Transfer Rate (Mbits/sec): 100
Bytes Per Sector: 512
Form Factor: 2.5"
Nonrecoverable Read Errors per Bits Read: 1 in 10E14
Temperature, Operating (°C): 5 to 55
Temperature, Nonoperating (°C): -40 to 70
Shock, Operating: 2 msec (Gs): 325
Shock, Nonoperating: 2 msec (Gs): 1000
Acoustics Idle (bels—sound power): 2.4
Type: OEM
Dimensions: 0.37" x 2.75" x 3.93"

This Drive Holds
- 40 two-hour DVD-quality movies or
- 160 hours of VHS-quality video or
- 110 days of around-the-clock MP3 audio or
- 40,000 vivid digital photos or
- 228 action-packed games

This Item's Warranty is:
- 36 Months Parts
- 36 Months Labor

 

That looks like a nice drive, even the 80 and 60gb Hitachi HTS are getting hard to find and pricey at $125+ shipping for a 60! If you can find one.
I've got a 5400rpm Travelstar in one of my laptops and its nice but the 7200rpm one in my other laptop is very noticeably faster
A faster hard drive is a much more noticeable upgrade than more RAM! Not having enough RAM can cause hangups, but a faster hard drive makes everything faster, like Toughbook said, its like doubling your processor speed!
What laptop do you have, because I believe there is some issue with the older (I have a CF-72 p4) computers recognizing a the larger hard drives. I have heard the Bios may not recognize the capacity beyond a certain point.
We need to do the research and come up with a chart of the largest hard drives the various Toughbooks will recognize. Anyone? Is there a thread?
Nice link BTW! Very handy! Too bad there aren't more 7200rpm ATA drives to choose from! Hitachi discontinuing them is a minor disaster for us Toughbook geeks!

 

Do I need to solder anything on a aftermarket HD?

I heard something about this master vs cable select thing with the toughbooks

edit: as far a drivespeed goes.

when 7200 rpm HDs first came out, the comparatively low density of the platters made the speed increase astronomic, with higher density modern drives, the effect is lessened as total bits per second read is increased by the density of the drive

since all HDs pretty much the same form factor, the platters are all relatively the same size, and therefor bigger size HD, more dense, larger bit rate, all up until you hit the wall of the fastest the interface can go.

at the hard drive size of around 160 GB in a 2.5 inch drive, its reasonable to assume that that disk speed is near irrelivant when using parallel ata.

edit: density of laptop drives is higher per GB than in desktop drives

 

The Hitachi plugged right into my 29 via the HDD cable that was stock on the computer.

 

That mod was for the CDROM drive. The HDD is no soldering and a simple switch-out.

 

w00t!

I think I am going to buy the HD randi posted about

 

Where can I buy one?

 

One what - Hard drive or a ToughBook ?

 

sorry i had bad info

 

Need help understanding - sorry for the stupid question(s) but I just want to make sure I am understanding things - so any help would be appriciated
Hard drives for laptops come in mainly three types that I have seen- SATA, ATA & PATA. If I understand right we can only use the ATA for our 28's. What is PATA ? I am looking at one now that says PATA then says it is ATA/100 in the interface details.
I also have seen different ATA/XXX - do the numbers after the slash matter?

Sorry for the rapid fire questions just want to make sure I am truly ordering the proper HD.

 

ATA, PATA and IDE are all different names for the same thing.

The /xxx denotes data transfer rates in megabytes per second. It shouldn't matter what you get... Unless you have a really old laptop.

 

Thanks - I knew you would clear the muddy water -

 

Question - I just installed my second Hitachi 7,200 RPM. This one is in my unit that is a 1G CF-28 running XP. I notice that the hard drive light is always lit. It lights up bright when I am obviously working it but then when I would consider st idle it is lightly of half lit? never seen this before. I am not sure if it is related but I did just put BlueTooth in it and am running a BT mouse, well worth the BT upgrade just for that. I only question this because I am looking at the other unit with the same drive and the HD light is out when at idle - thanks for your thoughts.
Also as a side note W2K runs much faster that XP with the new HD's

 

ok guys just making sure will this work in a 28 600 ?
Hitachi Laptop / Notebook Hard Drives
(0A25022)

Hitachi Laptop / Notebook Hard Drive: Hitachi 0A25022 - Hard Drive - 60GB - internal - 2.5 inch - IDE-type 44-pin connector (ATA-100) - 7200 rpm - buffer: 8 MB
*Not for use with Sony Vaio PCG TR, VGN T, VGN TX Series, Toshiba Portege 2000, 2010, R100, R200 Series, and Toshiba Libretto U100 Series models.

 

i found this one too Hitachi 60GB 7200RPM 8MB Buffer Serial ATA/150, 2.5inch, 10ms seek, Travelstar 7K100, HT
(MPN: 0A25025) fo 84 ? im sorry to bug you guys i just want to get it right thanks

Steph

 

You're not bugging anyone - I'm a newbie too and they have been terrific. Since the supply of Hitachi AT-6 drives has evidently dried up, I was curious about what would work too. Here is a link to a full explanation of the drive interface names. http://tinyurl.com/7pyeh

Basically the ATA-drives we use in the 28 are parallel (aka PATA) and the newer ATA-drives are serial (SATA). You'll note the drive you asked about is a SATA. They don't work for us. The drive you mentioned in your last post is the one we can use. ATA-100 is the same as the ATA-6
Anyway, one of the big dogs will come by soon and, either confirm what I've said or, send me back under the porch where I belong! Good luck!